2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2)

[robillionaire]

LaMelo
Haliburton
Cole
Edwards
McDaniels

Is my top 5 right now in order.

Dam Edwards that low? This is my top 5 expect wiseman instead of cole

I just don’t see it right now. He’s really inefficient against good teams and my heart wants a PG badly.

True about Edwards but Haliburton wasn’t too efficient against the good teams he recently faced either though (Baylor and Kansas). 2-12 for 6 and 2-7 for 5. But I agree I’m all in on drafting a PG.

[Mecca]

Dam Edwards that low? This is my top 5 expect wiseman instead of cole

I just don’t see it right now. He’s really inefficient against good teams and my heart wants a PG badly.

True about Edwards but Haliburton wasn’t too efficient against the good teams he recently faced either though (Baylor and Kansas). 2-12 for 6 and 2-7 for 5. But I agree I’m all in on drafting a PG.

Haliburton still positively impacts games even when his scoring goes MIA though.

[HEZI]

Haliburton had 6 pts on 2-12 shooting in 40 mins in his last game tho. Still not totally sold on taking him over some of the other prospects. Plus this is year 2 and he will be 20 when drafted. I’m still more likely to prefer younger prospects like Lamelo Hayes Hampton Mannion. Cole old af too.

20 years old is old now?

Pretty sure that is what caused Donovan Mitchell to fall and some raw prospects who were a little younger to go above him. Many other cases like that too

I love more experienced and seasoned players as long as they are talented. Really not interested in watching another kid who should probably spend year 1 and 2 in the GLeague out there with the big team

[HEZI]

When it comes to Lamelo he def has the tools to be good but I just question his fit on the Knicks. Still not sold on him and RJ pairing. Feels like you would have to pick one or the other to build around

[Garbagelo]

None of these players will save this team

[DOT]

Haliburton had 6 pts on 2-12 shooting in 40 mins in his last game tho. Still not totally sold on taking him over some of the other prospects. Plus this is year 2 and he will be 20 when drafted. I’m still more likely to prefer younger prospects like Lamelo Hayes Hampton Mannion. Cole old af too.

20 years old is old now?

Pretty sure that is what caused Donovan Mitchell to fall and some raw prospects who were a little younger to go above him. Many other cases like that too

I love more experienced and seasoned players as long as they are talented. Really not interested in watching another kid who should probably spend year 1 and 2 in the GLeague out there with the big team

But on the flip side, that mentality is why we drafted RJ instead of Culver, cause all the analytics said Culver was better, but RJ was younger and rawer, and Culver was the same age on draft night that Haliburton's gonna be

Not really arguing either way, I like me some Haliburton, but at the same time I can't say I don't see the potential of LaMelo

[Marty McFly]

None of these players will save this team

Might have to be trash for a little longer, and trade for a bunch of future firsts in order to secure the top pick and draft him in 2022 though.

[Mecca]

When it comes to Lamelo he def has the tools to be good but I just question his fit on the Knicks. Still not sold on him and RJ pairing. Feels like you would have to pick one or the other to build around

Exactly how I feel.

[Mecca]

Haliburton had 6 pts on 2-12 shooting in 40 mins in his last game tho. Still not totally sold on taking him over some of the other prospects. Plus this is year 2 and he will be 20 when drafted. I’m still more likely to prefer younger prospects like Lamelo Hayes Hampton Mannion. Cole old af too.

20 years old is old now?

Pretty sure that is what caused Donovan Mitchell to fall and some raw prospects who were a little younger to go above him. Many other cases like that too

I love more experienced and seasoned players as long as they are talented. Really not interested in watching another kid who should probably spend year 1 and 2 in the GLeague out there with the big team

But on the flip side, that mentality is why we drafted RJ instead of Culver, cause all the analytics said Culver was better, but RJ was younger and rawer, and Culver was the same age on draft night that Haliburton's gonna be

Not really arguing either way, I like me some Haliburton, but at the same time I can't say I don't see the potential of LaMelo

Jarrett Culver has been sneaky good the past few weeks. He’s been yamming on someone new every night.

[Mecca]

My dream off-season:
- Draft either Haliburton or LaMelo
- Sign Malik Beasley + Davis Bertans
- Trade Julius Randle and Kevin Knox for a protected 2020 first-round pick and an expiring
- Find a trade for a bad contract with a pick attached


Haliburton or LaMelo - Frank
Malik Beasley - Dotson
RJ - Iggy
Bertans - Wooten
Mitchell Robinson


Accept the tank one more year, and you suddenly have a sneaky good core.

[robillionaire]

Haliburton had 6 pts on 2-12 shooting in 40 mins in his last game tho. Still not totally sold on taking him over some of the other prospects. Plus this is year 2 and he will be 20 when drafted. I’m still more likely to prefer younger prospects like Lamelo Hayes Hampton Mannion. Cole old af too.

20 years old is old now?

Pretty sure that is what caused Donovan Mitchell to fall and some raw prospects who were a little younger to go above him. Many other cases like that too

I love more experienced and seasoned players as long as they are talented. Really not interested in watching another kid who should probably spend year 1 and 2 in the GLeague out there with the big team

I see where you’re coming from but from my perspective this team is so far away from playing competitive basketball it’s not funny. Years away. 20 isn’t old, but I would prefer to go for the highest possible upside and that usually lies with the younger players. That’s just my personal preference though.

I wouldn’t completely rule out drafting someone like Haliburton, he is very talented and we need a PG, but I also don’t think his ceiling is as high as other options

[Adelheid]

Haliburton had 6 pts on 2-12 shooting in 40 mins in his last game tho. Still not totally sold on taking him over some of the other prospects. Plus this is year 2 and he will be 20 when drafted. I’m still more likely to prefer younger prospects like Lamelo Hayes Hampton Mannion. Cole old af too.

20 years old is old now?

Pretty sure that is what caused Donovan Mitchell to fall and some raw prospects who were a little younger to go above him. Many other cases like that too

I love more experienced and seasoned players as long as they are talented. Really not interested in watching another kid who should probably spend year 1 and 2 in the GLeague out there with the big team

Honestly, I'm getting less and less enamoured with these 18 year old prospects as every year goes on...Alot of them are just too raw on alot of aspects and not every prospect learns stuff at the rate that we would have expected.

I'm totally fine with getting 20 y.o guys as long as they are already fleshed out with the needed skills to contribute.

Oh, and here's more: Why get draftees that are too raw and young when the FO is somehow aware that they woudnt be able to develop them properly?

[HEZI]

Haliburton had 6 pts on 2-12 shooting in 40 mins in his last game tho. Still not totally sold on taking him over some of the other prospects. Plus this is year 2 and he will be 20 when drafted. I’m still more likely to prefer younger prospects like Lamelo Hayes Hampton Mannion. Cole old af too.

20 years old is old now?

Pretty sure that is what caused Donovan Mitchell to fall and some raw prospects who were a little younger to go above him. Many other cases like that too

I love more experienced and seasoned players as long as they are talented. Really not interested in watching another kid who should probably spend year 1 and 2 in the GLeague out there with the big team

But on the flip side, that mentality is why we drafted RJ instead of Culver, cause all the analytics said Culver was better, but RJ was younger and rawer, and Culver was the same age on draft night that Haliburton's gonna be

Not really arguing either way, I like me some Haliburton, but at the same time I can't say I don't see the potential of LaMelo

I wouldn't say RJ was more raw than Culver because if not for Zion taking the spotlight, RJ would have been the topic of conversation. He had a historic rookie year for Duke that was only overshadowed by the guy he also played with. And I'm not even trying to make a case just for Haliburton in this moment, just in general it's not wise to consider a 20 year old college sophomore old with a low ceiling. There's gotta be a bigger thought process than that when evaluating the players, that's all I was getting at. Remember Cam Reddish was the oldest out of the 3 at Duke but the reason his stock fell was not because he was 20 but because he was the least impressive one out of the 3. If Cam was putting up RJ type of numbers, then their draft stock might have been different and there would have been a legit case made to take Cam over RJ but Cam took a backseat and didn't show much to warrant being picked ahead of RJ so he fell.

[HEZI]

Haliburton had 6 pts on 2-12 shooting in 40 mins in his last game tho. Still not totally sold on taking him over some of the other prospects. Plus this is year 2 and he will be 20 when drafted. I’m still more likely to prefer younger prospects like Lamelo Hayes Hampton Mannion. Cole old af too.

20 years old is old now?

Pretty sure that is what caused Donovan Mitchell to fall and some raw prospects who were a little younger to go above him. Many other cases like that too

I love more experienced and seasoned players as long as they are talented. Really not interested in watching another kid who should probably spend year 1 and 2 in the GLeague out there with the big team

I see where you’re coming from but from my perspective this team is so far away from playing competitive basketball it’s not funny. Years away. 20 isn’t old, but I would prefer to go for the highest possible upside and that usually lies with the younger players. That’s just my personal preference though.

I wouldn’t completely rule out drafting someone like Haliburton, he is very talented and we need a PG, but I also don’t think his ceiling is as high as other options

I think you like Lamelo more because of what you see from him rather than the 1 and a half year difference in age. I got no issues with that at all, but I just think it's silly to think that a player entering the draft at 19 has more potential than one entering at 20 strictly because of age

[Fat]

Watch on YouTube

This what we really need. I’ll take this before I take any of the point guards including lamelo

[Fat]

Edwards and Cassius Winston With a 2nd rounder is my ideal draft

[HEZI]

Watch on YouTube

This what we really need. I’ll take this before I take any of the point guards including lamelo

I'm on board

[3toheadmelo]

Coleslaws weaknesses remind me of Kevin Knox’s on tankathon
http://www.tankathon.com/players/cole-anthony

[robillionaire]

20 years old is old now?

Pretty sure that is what caused Donovan Mitchell to fall and some raw prospects who were a little younger to go above him. Many other cases like that too

I love more experienced and seasoned players as long as they are talented. Really not interested in watching another kid who should probably spend year 1 and 2 in the GLeague out there with the big team

I see where you’re coming from but from my perspective this team is so far away from playing competitive basketball it’s not funny. Years away. 20 isn’t old, but I would prefer to go for the highest possible upside and that usually lies with the younger players. That’s just my personal preference though.

I wouldn’t completely rule out drafting someone like Haliburton, he is very talented and we need a PG, but I also don’t think his ceiling is as high as other options

I think you like Lamelo more because of what you see from him rather than the 1 and a half year difference in age. I got no issues with that at all, but I just think it's silly to think that a player entering the draft at 19 has more potential than one entering at 20 strictly because of age

It’s not the end all be all of analyzing the players, I’m not saying that, but it’s at least a factor. Even when you run a player comparison on tankathon it has green and red arrows indicating that the younger player gets a nod, as if it were a valid metric. One of the reasons I’m impressed with Lamelo is that he was doing his thing at such a young age going against much older and experienced players. This is a reason I was so impressed with what Luka was doing in Europe. And why I still would take RJ despite his flaws over some more established but older players in his range like Hunter and Culver. Not to knock them, they could turn out to be great players, but I would still prefer the Knicks to gamble on the untapped potential of RJ. I admittedly put more weight into player age than most analysts do but that has more to do with what I believe the Knicks objectives and direction should be, and it’s just my thing.

With that said sometimes they do play well enough to win me over. But they really have to show out. Also my importance of it decreases the further out of the top 5 we get. I wouldn’t care at all to draft a higher floor lower ceiling but obviously skilled 20-22 year old in the later 1st or 2nd round. Especially when they can shoot like Nesmith and Nwora.

Again this is just my personal take on it, everybody has their unique preference, that’s why we don’t all have the same draft boards. I didn’t really start looking closely at the draft up until a few years ago because we usually never had draft picks so there’s a good chance I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about.

[E-Balla]

He raised his stock all he could. Time to lock himself in a gym until draft time and work on that jumper.

Broham. Bless me wit your big board. Top 7

1. James Wiseman - I think this is obvious, especially in a down year like this.

2. Tyrese Haliburton - Great defense, shooting, and passing but lacks the upside you'd like this high most years. Luckily for him this is a weak year and he's almost guaranteed to be an above average starter at the deepest position in the league. I think he's probably the player I least see being a star of the top 6 guys but outside of Wiseman he's also the one I see as having the highest chance of contributing to a champion which is the real end goal here.

3. LaMelo Ball - I think his shot is busted but it's not slow and it's not awkward for him to pull up off the bounce like it was for Lonzo. His handles are also great, he's fast enough to consistently get to the hole, and he plays like a tall Jason Williams. Most of all I love his rapid improvement, work ethic, and mindset but if that shot doesn't work itself out those positives can easily become his biggest negatives.

4. Anthony Edwards - Living in GA I've seen him a lot and my impression is mixed. His athleticism is great and give him a high upside but my issue with him is that he doesn't use his athletic advantages nearly as much as he should and I've seen players like that before (Wiggins comes to mind) that never learned how to use their athleticism. On the other end of that guys like Oladipo did figure it out. Upside is a borderline superstar though so it's hard to drop him too much.

5. Tyler Bey - His defense is next level and he's a jumper away from being a more athletic Brandon Clarke or Shawn Marion 2.0.

6. Okongwu - Shorter Clint Capela with a better defensive IQ. Bouncy as all hell like a young Amare was.

7. Killian Hayes - He's already a 10/3/5 on 58 TS% player as a pro. He makes magic with the ball in his hands but his game is well developed and well rounded already. Needs to cut down on his high amount of mistakes with the ball.

I think Wiseman is the only sure first option here, but Ball and Edwards have a shot at being borderline All-NBA level. The rest I can see being all stars a few times or All D.