Knicks - Cavs PG II

[El Poochio]

I'm all for starting Elf for the whole season. We can't have IQ and these youths f'ing up our draft position.

We have to tank our way to 25th pick again

[cgf]

I'm all for starting Elf for the whole season. We can't have IQ and these youths f'ing up our draft position.

We have to tank our way to 25th pick again

chubby-Luka is already on the case

[DaGawd]

I'm all for starting Elf for the whole season. We can't have IQ and these youths f'ing up our draft position.

If the kids are the reason for draft positioning being fked... I’ll allow it

[Nazrmohamed]

Not starting IQ and Mitch sends the wrong message to the kids and team. All we keep hearing is that “you have to earn it” , well they have during these preseason games, and from what we hear, in practice too.

Its preseason and it's the Pistons and Cavs. I want them to start too but I wouldn't use these games to talk about sending messages. Nba caliber players and what I mean by that is vets ( you get drafted then technically you're an nba caliber player)...vets can have a crap preseason and turn it on when the games count. Rookies can get hot in preseason and be totally lost when the season starts. We've seen it.

I see what you're saying and it is what I want but its ok taking it slow. For now maybe you start with just being committed to giving IQ consistent minutes. I think we can assume he'll beat out DSJ and Frank at the backup SG spot. As for Mitch I am probably the biggest Mitch fan and advocate of him starting. I've seen somethings to support my argument. I've seen some things that make me think otherwise and this is after defending him. I definitely think he's part of my young core. The core of players that'll be here long after Randy and Noel are gone. But if Thibs thinks hes better off taking it slow then I'm not gonna argue with this guy this yr. I may break my promise at some point but I'm gonna try to give Thibs some faith and leeway with his rotations. This is gonna be a Thibs knows best yr for me. Cause I like what Im seeing. Here's a guy where we were up 20pts and they show his face and he's scowling over missed defensive assignments. You got me bro. That's all I need to hear and sure of these passes. Idk if its the play or the players but guys seem to be making nice reads and cuts and finding spots to score that you didn't really see under Miller.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Alright already! These damn Nets banners gotta GTFO! now there's two of them? FOH!!

when they start mitch & quick. until then, they stay.

What about Quick OR Mitch?

[HerSports85]

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[Tron Carter]

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most bigs aren’t making this pass

[Nazrmohamed]

I'm all for starting Elf for the whole season. We can't have IQ and these youths f'ing up our draft position.

If the kids are the reason for draft positioning being fked... I’ll allow it

And the draft is deep. Its not like they're gonna mess it up as in have us in the 9th seed, probably more like the 9th pick of anything and to me like you said. If thats where the dust settles on a team getting major contributions from drafted players then I'm good with it.

[Guano]

I'm all for starting Elf for the whole season. We can't have IQ and these youths f'ing up our draft position.

If the kids are the reason for draft positioning being fked... I’ll allow it

Need that Pelican luck... kids show out and lotto luck.

[thebuzzardman]

I've really liked a lot of what we've seen from Obi. Don't wanna expect him to be as good as Blake, but he really seems to have a lot of old-man-Blake elements to his game while being able to get up like young-Blake. Once things start slowing down for him he's going to look really nice; nevermind when he tightens up his handle & gets comfortable shooting NBA 3s.

Obi seems to have a BIG adjustment to make, in terms of being impactful.

He's clearly used to be the MAN in an offense, where the offense was centered around him...well, being a center. Or PF. Who set all the picks with the PG and got a lot of touches that way.

It's not to say he can't play off the ball SOME, or that he isn't a willing or smart passer - he is.

But his role and path to success, in the bigger, stronger NBA, and also as an initial 3rd/4th option, and where there's a few other guys who should be setting the pick, is going to take a bit.

I think he's going to be far less than "immediately helpful" and in fact is a bit of a project.

He'll be helpful with some excitement and dunks off the bench. Not unlike everyone expected rookie KP to come off the bench and just be a shotblocker, but he surprised. Instead, for Obi, more like it's not surprising, at least to me, that he'll come off the bench and he's a bit raw and will need half the year, at least, to get acclimated.

Leon's son might have oversold his client to his dad, a bit.

[Monk1718]

Randle had 8 assists?! Crazy

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someone reallys needs to photoshop a menthol in there

[Zenzibar]

https://hoopshabit.com/2020/05/29/utah-jazz-losing-walt-perrin/





The Utah Jazz losing Walt Perrin is a big deal (and few people realize it).....

by Lucas Miller 6 months ago Follow @EchelonCopy

Recently, so much has taken place for the Utah Jazz — hardly any of it good, mind you. Walt Perrin leaving for the New York Knicks is certainly part of it..

And if you’re not quite sure what an NBA executive in the “player personnel” arena does, no worries — me, neither. The Utah Jazz listed Perrin’s role with the team as having to do with talent evaluation and assisting Justin Zanik and Dennis Lindsey with potential player acquisitions.

Individually, Perrin built a reputation for himself as a non-stop, on-the-go kind of guy. League-wide, whereas most full-time evaluators of NBA talent would largely frequent NCAA games and practices, year-round, Perrin was a regular at international tournaments and high school events.

It’d be unfair to say that Perrin worked alone, though. After all, he wasn’t the Utah Jazz’s general manager. But his longevity in Salt Lake City is a testament to his ability to find “hidden gems” amongst a sea of similar-looking NBA prospects — you’ll soon notice his absence, I’m sure.

[Guano]

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[El Poochio]

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WHO IS LYING

[DOT]

I've really liked a lot of what we've seen from Obi. Don't wanna expect him to be as good as Blake, but he really seems to have a lot of old-man-Blake elements to his game while being able to get up like young-Blake. Once things start slowing down for him he's going to look really nice; nevermind when he tightens up his handle & gets comfortable shooting NBA 3s.

Obi seems to have a BIG adjustment to make, in terms of being impactful.

He's clearly used to be the MAN in an offense, where the offense was centered around him...well, being a center. Or PF. Who set all the picks with the PG and got a lot of touches that way.

It's not to say he can't play off the ball SOME, or that he isn't a willing or smart passer - he is.

But his role and path to success, in the bigger, stronger NBA, and also as an initial 3rd/4th option, and where there's a few other guys who should be setting the pick, is going to take a bit.

I think he's going to be far less than "immediately helpful" and in fact is a bit of a project.

He'll be helpful with some excitement and dunks off the bench. Not unlike everyone expected rookie KP to come off the bench and just be a shotblocker, but he surprised. Instead, for Obi, more like it's not surprising, at least to me, that he'll come off the bench and he's a bit raw and will need half the year, at least, to get acclimated.

Leon's son might have oversold his client to his dad, a bit.

I mean, I'll say it

He's probably used to being the biggest, fastest, most athletic guy in the gym

Now that he's in the NBA, he's facing guys who can match him physically every night, and he'll need to get his skills to the point where he can be effective, when he probably hasn't had to fully use them in quite a while.

[god shammgod]

Alright already! These damn Nets banners gotta GTFO! now there's two of them? FOH!!

when they start mitch & quick. until then, they stay.

What about Quick OR Mitch?

no

[GnarlsOakley]

A few things

1. Cut Elfrid Payton
2. Cut Dennis Smith Jr.
- The guard rotation is plenty crowded *even without* those two duds
3. There’s no way Spellman, Evans, Pinson make this roster either
- I’m not well-versed on Jared Harper & Myles Powell’s contract status (two-way, E10, etc) but both are worth keeping, either at MSG or Westchester
4. If we’re going to trade Randle, let’s at least make sure it’s to the Dallas Mavs for James Johnson (expiring)
- Then we’ll re-sign Taj for some added frontcourt depth so we can reunite both Bulls’ 09 draft picks who have both previously played under Thibs
- James Johnson certainly won’t be taking up space on the court and crowding out RJ, Knox and Mitch
- Randle is from Dallas and he fits in well as a rotation big with that Mavs roster
5. START QUICKLEY, holy **** that dude can play and is everything you’d like to see in a PG

PG Quickley - Rivers - Harper/Powell
SG Burks - Ntilikina - Bullock
SF Barrett - Knox - Iggy
PF Toppin - J.Johnson - MKG
C Robinson - Noel - Taj

[Clyde_Style]

I've really liked a lot of what we've seen from Obi. Don't wanna expect him to be as good as Blake, but he really seems to have a lot of old-man-Blake elements to his game while being able to get up like young-Blake. Once things start slowing down for him he's going to look really nice; nevermind when he tightens up his handle & gets comfortable shooting NBA 3s.

Obi seems to have a BIG adjustment to make, in terms of being impactful.

He's clearly used to be the MAN in an offense, where the offense was centered around him...well, being a center. Or PF. Who set all the picks with the PG and got a lot of touches that way.

It's not to say he can't play off the ball SOME, or that he isn't a willing or smart passer - he is.

But his role and path to success, in the bigger, stronger NBA, and also as an initial 3rd/4th option, and where there's a few other guys who should be setting the pick, is going to take a bit.

I think he's going to be far less than "immediately helpful" and in fact is a bit of a project.

He'll be helpful with some excitement and dunks off the bench. Not unlike everyone expected rookie KP to come off the bench and just be a shotblocker, but he surprised. Instead, for Obi, more like it's not surprising, at least to me, that he'll come off the bench and he's a bit raw and will need half the year, at least, to get acclimated.

Leon's son might have oversold his client to his dad, a bit.

You're overdoing it man. Give it some time

[thebuzzardman]

I've really liked a lot of what we've seen from Obi. Don't wanna expect him to be as good as Blake, but he really seems to have a lot of old-man-Blake elements to his game while being able to get up like young-Blake. Once things start slowing down for him he's going to look really nice; nevermind when he tightens up his handle & gets comfortable shooting NBA 3s.

Obi seems to have a BIG adjustment to make, in terms of being impactful.

He's clearly used to be the MAN in an offense, where the offense was centered around him...well, being a center. Or PF. Who set all the picks with the PG and got a lot of touches that way.

It's not to say he can't play off the ball SOME, or that he isn't a willing or smart passer - he is.

But his role and path to success, in the bigger, stronger NBA, and also as an initial 3rd/4th option, and where there's a few other guys who should be setting the pick, is going to take a bit.

I think he's going to be far less than "immediately helpful" and in fact is a bit of a project.

He'll be helpful with some excitement and dunks off the bench. Not unlike everyone expected rookie KP to come off the bench and just be a shotblocker, but he surprised. Instead, for Obi, more like it's not surprising, at least to me, that he'll come off the bench and he's a bit raw and will need half the year, at least, to get acclimated.

Leon's son might have oversold his client to his dad, a bit.

I mean, I'll say it

He's probably used to being the biggest, fastest, most athletic guy in the gym

Now that he's in the NBA, he's facing guys who can match him physically every night, and he'll need to get his skills to the point where he can be effective, when he probably hasn't had to fully use them in quite a while.

It's honestly a little worrisome.
NodopeonSunday's thing about 6'7"-ish athletic guys good in college...I forget what the set of statistics he used, but I'm starting to wonder. Like another Williams the Knicks had for a minute: Derrick Williams

[thebuzzardman]

I've really liked a lot of what we've seen from Obi. Don't wanna expect him to be as good as Blake, but he really seems to have a lot of old-man-Blake elements to his game while being able to get up like young-Blake. Once things start slowing down for him he's going to look really nice; nevermind when he tightens up his handle & gets comfortable shooting NBA 3s.

Obi seems to have a BIG adjustment to make, in terms of being impactful.

He's clearly used to be the MAN in an offense, where the offense was centered around him...well, being a center. Or PF. Who set all the picks with the PG and got a lot of touches that way.

It's not to say he can't play off the ball SOME, or that he isn't a willing or smart passer - he is.

But his role and path to success, in the bigger, stronger NBA, and also as an initial 3rd/4th option, and where there's a few other guys who should be setting the pick, is going to take a bit.

I think he's going to be far less than "immediately helpful" and in fact is a bit of a project.

He'll be helpful with some excitement and dunks off the bench. Not unlike everyone expected rookie KP to come off the bench and just be a shotblocker, but he surprised. Instead, for Obi, more like it's not surprising, at least to me, that he'll come off the bench and he's a bit raw and will need half the year, at least, to get acclimated.

Leon's son might have oversold his client to his dad, a bit.

You're overdoing it man. Give it some time

He definitely seems to need some time.

Hopefully it works out. He seems to want to play the right way and work hard.
I usually hate the hot takes, but again, a little worried.