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Lonzo Ball - What's your opinion of him?

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Re: Lonzo Ball - What's your opinion of him? 

Post#281 » by seren » Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:21 pm

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Why are we giving a first round pick for a highly flawed point guard who will be a restricted free agent in couple of months?



Do you think Thibs is going to play multiple rookies 20mpg next season? Going after Lonzo now is to get his bird rights, make a push for the playoffs while staying flexible and addressing a need with a young player who can grow with the core group.

A team in the hunt for the title wants Lonzo, yet you're saying we shouldn't go after him? Help that make sense.
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I disagree. There are plenty of players who are more than good enough to trade for. There are some that may be good enough to trade a first round pick even though we are in the rebuilding stage and not contending for anything. However, it would be beyond stupid to trade for an upcoming restricted free agent whose team is not that interested to resign and hence shopping him and who will never be one of your three best players on a truly contending squad.
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Post#282 » by Riot Randolph » Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:25 pm

seren wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:
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Do you think Thibs is going to play multiple rookies 20mpg next season? Going after Lonzo now is to get his bird rights, make a push for the playoffs while staying flexible and addressing a need with a young player who can grow with the core group.

A team in the hunt for the title wants Lonzo, yet you're saying we shouldn't go after him? Help that make sense.
Nobody is good enough to trade for. You know how we value players.

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I disagree. There are plenty of players who are more than good enough to trade for. There are some that may be good enough to trade a first round pick even though we are in the rebuilding stage and not contending for anything. However, it would be beyond stupid to trade for an upcoming restricted free agent whose team is not that interested to resign and hence shopping him and who will never be one of your three best players on a truly contending squad.
Lonzo is 7 MONTHS YOUNGER than OBI, we would be getting younger..
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Re: Lonzo Ball - What's your opinion of him? 

Post#283 » by gavran » Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:38 pm

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seren wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:Nobody is good enough to trade for. You know how we value players.

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I disagree. There are plenty of players who are more than good enough to trade for. There are some that may be good enough to trade a first round pick even though we are in the rebuilding stage and not contending for anything. However, it would be beyond stupid to trade for an upcoming restricted free agent whose team is not that interested to resign and hence shopping him and who will never be one of your three best players on a truly contending squad.
Lonzo is 7 MONTHS YOUNGER than OBI, we would be getting younger..

Yeah, you might want to check that again, maybe.
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Post#284 » by Riot Randolph » Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:15 pm

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I disagree. There are plenty of players who are more than good enough to trade for. There are some that may be good enough to trade a first round pick even though we are in the rebuilding stage and not contending for anything. However, it would be beyond stupid to trade for an upcoming restricted free agent whose team is not that interested to resign and hence shopping him and who will never be one of your three best players on a truly contending squad.
Lonzo is 7 MONTHS YOUNGER than OBI, we would be getting younger..

Yeah, you might want to check that again, maybe.

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Post#285 » by GettinitDone » Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:34 pm

I think Lonzo may be one of the late bloomers like Chauncey, TMac and Randle, take them a good 4-6 years before they become All Stars. I think somehow LaMelo's early success kind off takes the (family and public) spotlight pressure off him, so he can just ball instead of playing to prove the bust label wrong.

I would be cool with us getting him. He has a good chance to be an All Star one day imo.
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Post#286 » by rammagen » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:05 pm

to me this is about building talent at the lowest cost. Personally if we are going to assets for the right to sign him I would rather wait and place those assets into moving up in the draft and sign him out right. The pelicans have a price and if the Knicks really want him poison pill the contract or heavily front load it.
As far as the player would he be the best PG on the team right now? if the answer is and you need an upgrade then this is one possibility
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Post#287 » by TwitterFingers » Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:04 am

We would be maxing him out or close to it. Paying Mitch, Randle, RJ, Lonzo as your core gets you to a mediocre, treadmill team.
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Post#288 » by Capn'O » Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:34 am

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It's reportedly 'close to inevitable' the Toronto Raptors will trade Norman Powell ahead of next week's NBA trade deadline
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Post#289 » by god shammgod » Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:52 am

Capn'O wrote:Image

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-close-to-inevitable-norman-powell-is-traded-ahead-of-deadline

It's reportedly 'close to inevitable' the Toronto Raptors will trade Norman Powell ahead of next week's NBA trade deadline


he'll be 28 in may. i feel better about him than trent now but trent will likely grow more. also, what will they want ? i don't know.
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Post#290 » by Buttah304 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:58 am

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Capn'O wrote:Image

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-close-to-inevitable-norman-powell-is-traded-ahead-of-deadline

It's reportedly 'close to inevitable' the Toronto Raptors will trade Norman Powell ahead of next week's NBA trade deadline


he'll be 28 in may. i feel better about him than trent now but trent will likely grow more. also, what will they want ? i don't know.


Powell shot 48% FG 2 years ago, 50% last year, and 50% this season. Hell will freeze over before Trent ever becomes that efficient.
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Post#291 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:13 am

I'd prefer Powell over Oladipo, just because of health. But, I want Lonzo over any other options since it takes care of a need.
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Post#292 » by sol537 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:17 am

Grab Lonzo and Powell at the deadline or in the off-season and add two young studs via the draft to learn from the bench and you're cookin'....
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Post#293 » by Buttah304 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:21 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I'd prefer Powell over Oladipo, just because of health. But, I want Lonzo over any other options since it takes care of a need.


Oladipo shouldn’t even be a target. Then we get to the summer and I worry how much Trent is going to ask for when he’s really only shown that he can be an elite C&S type of player while playing off Lillard and all the focus/attention that he demands.

What I love about NP is that he really uses his frame to his advantage. To be honest he’s a little short for my liking at the 2-Guard (6-3) but he’s 215 pounds and when he gets into the paint he’s been able to bounce off stronger forwards and finish. Even his offensive skill set/repertoire is impressive. NP can shoot off the dribble, create separation with his strength, offers some mid range and can attack the hoop. He is the exact player and fit we should target which is precisely why we won’t. The fact that he’s 28 doesn’t bother me at all. He played 4 years at UCLA and doesn’t have a lot of NBA mileage. He’s legitimately entering his prime.
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Post#294 » by RHODEY » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:24 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I'd prefer Powell over Oladipo, just because of health. But, I want Lonzo over any other options since it takes care of a need.


I'd prefer Powell over Oladipo, just because he's better.
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Post#295 » by robillionaire » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:37 am

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he'll be 28 in may. i feel better about him than trent now but trent will likely grow more. also, what will they want ? i don't know.


Powell shot 48% FG 2 years ago, 50% last year, and 50% this season. Hell will freeze over before Trent ever becomes that efficient.


but the year before that powell's 3rd year in the league at age 24 he shot 40% which is lower than trent jr. shoots now in his 3rd year in the league at age 22, it's not that hard to imagine a young player like trent improving further as well
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Post#296 » by god shammgod » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:39 am

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he'll be 28 in may. i feel better about him than trent now but trent will likely grow more. also, what will they want ? i don't know.


Powell shot 48% FG 2 years ago, 50% last year, and 50% this season. Hell will freeze over before Trent ever becomes that efficient.


maybe not. but it's also what it cost to get him and what he's looking for as far as a contract.
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Post#297 » by robillionaire » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:41 am

maybe powell deserves his own thread but I imagine their asking price would be astronomical especially to the knicks
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Post#298 » by Jay10 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:50 am

The funny thing about people wanting Lonzo Ball is the fact that the Knicks could've gotten a similar player in Tyrese Haliburton at a much cheaper price with the 8th pick, if the Knicks had just not fallen for the Obi Toppin hype. :lol:
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Post#299 » by Buttah304 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:07 am

robillionaire wrote:
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he'll be 28 in may. i feel better about him than trent now but trent will likely grow more. also, what will they want ? i don't know.


Powell shot 48% FG 2 years ago, 50% last year, and 50% this season. Hell will freeze over before Trent ever becomes that efficient.


but the year before that powell's 3rd year in the league at age 24 he shot 40% which is lower than trent jr. shoots now in his 3rd year in the league at age 22, it's not that hard to imagine a young player like trent improving further as well


His age is certainly part of the appeal but his game is eerily similar to that of Tim Hardaway JR. It feels like we have already seen this movie and know how it ends.
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Post#300 » by robillionaire » Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:11 am

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Powell shot 48% FG 2 years ago, 50% last year, and 50% this season. Hell will freeze over before Trent ever becomes that efficient.


but the year before that powell's 3rd year in the league at age 24 he shot 40% which is lower than trent jr. shoots now in his 3rd year in the league at age 22, it's not that hard to imagine a young player like trent improving further as well


His age is certainly part of the appeal but his game is eerily similar to that of Tim Hardaway JR. It feels like we have already seen this movie and know how it ends.


I'm not really high on him myself as others on the board are, just wouldn't write off the possibility of him taking another step forward

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