Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1

[greg4012]

I think most of the board agrees with this, but we need to give Yurtseven some more opportunity. Most importantly, we need to give him some time WITH Bam.

This isn't a post to get into the nonsensical debate as to whether Bam is a PF or C. He's a frontcourt player with elite defensive versatility.

This is about a few things:

1) Our rotation is pretty low on scorers. Our core guys aside from Herro are defensive-oriented (even Jimmy isn't a natural scorer). Yurt is a bucket getter with a nice touch. Let's explore if we can find a spot in the rotation for a big man with a sound offensive skillset.

2) Our rotation is pretty low on 3-point shooting options. Herro and Duncan are currently the only real shooters in our rotation (Strus is out, Lowry is something else entirely right now). It's worth exploring if Yurt can give us some of the spacing (preferably paired with Bam) that Meyers Leonard gave us a couple seasons ago. Yurt is a natural shooter and he has the range.

3) Yurt's skillset complements Bam's as good or better than Meyers Leonard did. Yurt has real size and establishes presence in the paint--he made AD uncomfortable in the limited minutes yesterday.. AD bounced off of him multiple times. Yurt can board, he seems to make solid defensive rotations, he can screen, and he can have an actual scoring function on offense. Let Yurt take on the Meyers Leonard role from 2 years ago in limited minutes off the bench.

[AirP.]

herro is still a kid , we need more scorers, PJ is not a starter in any good team, we need size... last night was not spo fault, it was a good game, but let's face it the Lakers took it easy on us

Miami scored fine with Lowry and Robinson missing 18 of 23 3s, at some point more of those shots should go in, the issue was defense most of the game. Miami scored 112 point in 4 quarters last night, the issue was the defense on the guards. Westbrook, Monk, Bradley and Ellington had great games because of some poor defense. 2 of Miami's main rotation players are horrible defenders (Robinson, Herro).

BTW, here's one of Monk's 3 misses last night.

Spoiler:

Here's Westbrook driving past Herro late, Bam having to cover AD rolling to the basket and Robinson coming to help(not sure he'd do anything but foul Westbrook going past him) leaving Monk with another open 3 opportunity (that Monk made).

Spoiler:

Here's Monk's FGAs.

If Oladipo comes back healthy, his defense with even average offense will make a huge difference on this team.

The problem is you only "scored fine" because Herro gave you damn near 30

So he may have cancelled out what he gave up to minimum contract player?

There's more to the game then just scoring, like stopping the other team from scoring.

Herro can score, but he can't defend and that's half the game.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Haven't been able to stay awake for the past two games and am wondering wtf is going on. On paper those were both very winnable games

On the bright side I've lost 30 lbs of bodyfat this week due to severe pizza depletion

[greg4012]

Miami scored fine with Lowry and Robinson missing 18 of 23 3s, at some point more of those shots should go in, the issue was defense most of the game. Miami scored 112 point in 4 quarters last night, the issue was the defense on the guards. Westbrook, Monk, Bradley and Ellington had great games because of some poor defense. 2 of Miami's main rotation players are horrible defenders (Robinson, Herro).

BTW, here's one of Monk's 3 misses last night.

Spoiler:

Here's Westbrook driving past Herro late, Bam having to cover AD rolling to the basket and Robinson coming to help(not sure he'd do anything but foul Westbrook going past him) leaving Monk with another open 3 opportunity (that Monk made).

Spoiler:

Here's Monk's FGAs.

If Oladipo comes back healthy, his defense with even average offense will make a huge difference on this team.

The problem is you only "scored fine" because Herro gave you damn near 30

So he may have cancelled out what he gave up to minimum contract player?

There's more to the game then just scoring, like stopping the other team from scoring.

Herro can score, but he can't defend and that's half the game.

Lakers may have set the record for bank 3s in a game last night. I don't think our guard defense was as bad as you're indicating last night. Monk and Bradley were on some **** were gonna make dumb shots regardless last night.

[Hallstar]

Miami scored fine with Lowry and Robinson missing 18 of 23 3s, at some point more of those shots should go in, the issue was defense most of the game. Miami scored 112 point in 4 quarters last night, the issue was the defense on the guards. Westbrook, Monk, Bradley and Ellington had great games because of some poor defense. 2 of Miami's main rotation players are horrible defenders (Robinson, Herro).

BTW, here's one of Monk's 3 misses last night.

Spoiler:

Here's Westbrook driving past Herro late, Bam having to cover AD rolling to the basket and Robinson coming to help(not sure he'd do anything but foul Westbrook going past him) leaving Monk with another open 3 opportunity (that Monk made).

Spoiler:

Here's Monk's FGAs.

If Oladipo comes back healthy, his defense with even average offense will make a huge difference on this team.

The problem is you only "scored fine" because Herro gave you damn near 30

So he may have cancelled out what he gave up to minimum contract player?

There's more to the game then just scoring, like stopping the other team from scoring.

Herro can score, but he can't defend and that's half the game.

Herro's defense was hardly as bad as you're inferring. People make shots and we were running lineups that never saw an ounce of playing time together before last night. Dudes were making 1 hand push shots falling out of bounds. You need to score to keep up with that.

[AirP.]

The problem is you only "scored fine" because Herro gave you damn near 30

So he may have cancelled out what he gave up to minimum contract player?

There's more to the game then just scoring, like stopping the other team from scoring.

Herro can score, but he can't defend and that's half the game.

Herro's defense was hardly as bad as you're inferring. People make shots and we were running lineups that never saw an ounce of playing time together before last night. Dudes were making 1 hand push shots falling out of bounds. You need to score to keep up with that.

That's odd, did you actually watch how he and Robinson were defending? Yes, they made some odd shots, normally that happens when you're in the grove offensively which bad defenders often let players get into. You should really go back and watch some of the scoring sequences of LA last night, there was a lot of bad defenses being played by a handful of players. I get not playing together and messing up some switches, but this was just plain bad defense. Robinson probably was worse than Herro but both were bad. Also, once again, yes, LA made some bad shots go in, but I saw way too many good looks because of bad defense.

These first 2 are early on from the same play...
Herro not anywhere near his man who is a 3pt shooter.

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Herro's location after trying to close out and being pump faked. At the original range that's a tough shot that just contesting would have been a decent defensive move but Herro ran to contest, got faked out and gave up a much easier shot. Luckily Monk missed.

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Here's late in the game when Herro didn't get picked and Westbrook was able to get past Herro easily when both players started flat footed, which led to Robinson doing nearly nothing other than leaving Monk open for another 3.


I have way more issues with Robinson who is a one trick pony whose trick isn't working while being a bad defender.

This is just looking at some of Monk's shots, if I look at other players I'll see more of the issues, the effort getting around picks is pretty bad throughout the game for some players too.

[AirP.]

Currently D.Robinson is shooting .345 from 3pt range on 8.9 attempts per game. To get his season average to 40% he has to shoot just over 42% on 8.9 attempts for the rest of the season.

To put this in perspective, Robinson only shot over 42% for 2 months last season, the first month (4 games .481) and the last month (9 games .447). The 4 full months (14-15 games each) he shot .394, .367, .418, .414.

[greg4012]

Currently D.Robinson is shooting .345 from 3pt range on 8.9 attempts per game. To get his season average to 40% he has to shoot just over 42% on 8.9 attempts for the rest of the season.

To put this in perspective, Robinson only shot over 42% for 2 months last season, the first month (4 games .481) and the last month (9 games .447). The 4 full months (14-15 games each) he shot .394, .367, .418, .414.

It's unbelievable that he is missing so many open looks; and additionally hesitating on a lot of open looks resulting in them being contested

[Slot Machine]

Can anyone tell me why Gabe Vincent is still on this team/in the NBA? I knew we were going to lose as soon as he got PT in the 4th yesterday.

[Hallstar]

Can anyone tell me why Gabe Vincent is still on this team/in the NBA? I knew we were going to lose as soon as he got PT in the 4th yesterday.

realistically, who on the bench outside Dedmon and Herro are you sure is on team somewhere else if not for the Heat?

[Slot Machine]

Can anyone tell me why Gabe Vincent is still on this team/in the NBA? I knew we were going to lose as soon as he got PT in the 4th yesterday.

realistically, who on the bench outside Dedmon and Herro are you sure is on team somewhere else if not for the Heat?

Agreed, but Vincent is egregiously bad to me given that he’s never showed anything and is at a position of need.

I’d rather we spin the wheels on whatever washed up vet PG is on the market instead of throwing Vincent out there.

[Hallstar]

Can anyone tell me why Gabe Vincent is still on this team/in the NBA? I knew we were going to lose as soon as he got PT in the 4th yesterday.

realistically, who on the bench outside Dedmon and Herro are you sure is on team somewhere else if not for the Heat?

Agreed, but Vincent is egregiously bad to me given that he’s never showed anything and is at a position of need.

I’d rather we spin the wheels on whatever washed up vet PG is on the market instead of throwing Vincent out there.

No argument here, I'm all in on the Teague or Brandon Knight tryouts

[carnageta]

Everyone blaming Spo for not playing Yurt over Haslem. Lmao, we didn't lose last nights game because Udonis logged 4 mins in the 2nd quarter.

[Kobewade11]

Currently D.Robinson is shooting .345 from 3pt range on 8.9 attempts per game. To get his season average to 40% he has to shoot just over 42% on 8.9 attempts for the rest of the season.

To put this in perspective, Robinson only shot over 42% for 2 months last season, the first month (4 games .481) and the last month (9 games .447). The 4 full months (14-15 games each) he shot .394, .367, .418, .414.

Him and his agent pulled off a heist

[AirP.]

Currently D.Robinson is shooting .345 from 3pt range on 8.9 attempts per game. To get his season average to 40% he has to shoot just over 42% on 8.9 attempts for the rest of the season.

To put this in perspective, Robinson only shot over 42% for 2 months last season, the first month (4 games .481) and the last month (9 games .447). The 4 full months (14-15 games each) he shot .394, .367, .418, .414.

Him and his agent pulled off a heist

He joins the growing list of somewhat recent Miami players who got overpaid greatly by Miami like D.Waiter, T.Johnson, J.Johnson and Whiteside. The league AVERAGE for 3pt% last year was basically 37% so why overpay someone whose only skill is to shoot 40% from 3pt range at high volume? Get a couple near minimum roleplayers to do that and spend the rest on much better overall players.

[Wiltside]

Everyone blaming Spo for not playing Yurt over Haslem. Lmao, we didn't lose last nights game because Udonis logged 4 mins in the 2nd quarter.

UD: -5 in 5 minutes
Yurt: +8 in 4 minutes

Lost the game by 3 in OT.

It's a game of margins sometimes. UD is break glass in case of absolute emergency. He's 41yrs old and played 1 game last year and 4 games the year prior. 10 games the year before that.

Spo was trolling with that chit.

[puppa bear]

Currently D.Robinson is shooting .345 from 3pt range on 8.9 attempts per game. To get his season average to 40% he has to shoot just over 42% on 8.9 attempts for the rest of the season.

To put this in perspective, Robinson only shot over 42% for 2 months last season, the first month (4 games .481) and the last month (9 games .447). The 4 full months (14-15 games each) he shot .394, .367, .418, .414.

Him and his agent pulled off a heist

He joins the growing list of somewhat recent Miami players who got overpaid greatly by Miami like D.Waiter, T.Johnson, J.Johnson and Whiteside. The league AVERAGE for 3pt% last year was basically 37% so why overpay someone whose only skill is to shoot 40% from 3pt range at high volume? Get a couple near minimum roleplayers to do that and spend the rest on much better overall players.

The thing that gets missed is that we couldn’t just spend that money elsewhere. We only were able to spend that because we had his bird rights. We signed him to a deal that will be tradable and will work as a filler.

When he gets used to this ball he won’t look as bad and he’ll win us a game in a series or two in the PO. Then we’ll all be singing. A different tune.

If not, Pat will ship his arse at the deadline.

[Wiltside]

Shooters go through droughts sometimes, it happens.

Sucks to see Rob struggle this bad - he's so in his own head, whether its the ball or the contract that's getting him, he ain't himself right now.

He's shooting 34.5% on the season and 32.7% from 3 through 11 games. eFG is now a shade below 50%. He needs to find the range and quickly, as he doesn't add much else and is a net negative defensively.

Having said all that - despite the length of the deal, 17.5 per ain't too bad. I'd be confident we could still find a deal if really need be.

[AirP.]

Him and his agent pulled off a heist

He joins the growing list of somewhat recent Miami players who got overpaid greatly by Miami like D.Waiter, T.Johnson, J.Johnson and Whiteside. The league AVERAGE for 3pt% last year was basically 37% so why overpay someone whose only skill is to shoot 40% from 3pt range at high volume? Get a couple near minimum roleplayers to do that and spend the rest on much better overall players.

The thing that gets missed is that we couldn’t just spend that money elsewhere. We only were able to spend that because we had his bird rights. We signed him to a deal that will be tradable and will work as a filler.

When he gets used to this ball he won’t look as bad and he’ll win us a game in a series or two in the PO. Then we’ll all be singing. A different tune.

If not, Pat will ship his arse at the deadline.

Well, if there was a demand for Robinson's services a S&T may have been available since Miami had his Bird rights.

[puppa bear]

He joins the growing list of somewhat recent Miami players who got overpaid greatly by Miami like D.Waiter, T.Johnson, J.Johnson and Whiteside. The league AVERAGE for 3pt% last year was basically 37% so why overpay someone whose only skill is to shoot 40% from 3pt range at high volume? Get a couple near minimum roleplayers to do that and spend the rest on much better overall players.

The thing that gets missed is that we couldn’t just spend that money elsewhere. We only were able to spend that because we had his bird rights. We signed him to a deal that will be tradable and will work as a filler.

When he gets used to this ball he won’t look as bad and he’ll win us a game in a series or two in the PO. Then we’ll all be singing. A different tune.

If not, Pat will ship his arse at the deadline.

Well, if there was a demand for Robinson's services a S&T may have been available since Miami had his Bird rights.

The thing that gets forgotten in this theory is that he would be subject to BYC conditions (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q93) and would have only counted as a minimum salary going out. Now we have a Jan 15 trade restriction for him (rather than the usual Dec 15), because he meets the BYC conditions.

We really only could have gotten anything for him if we were a cap team, at which point we couldn’t have gotten Lowry. For both him & Nunn signing either to keep them or to trading them later were really the only options.