Should Fred Van Vleet be an all-star?

lambchop · Post #281 » by **lambchop** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 7:28 am

Crazy to me how a couple years ago this video was used to show how an absolute useless NBA scrub (Vanvleet) can easily destroy other hoopers 1on1 (a young Jordan Poole and Marcus Posley who was an OK G-league player).
Fast forward 4 years and he is in all star discussions.

Watch on YouTube

SpreeS · Post #282 » by **SpreeS** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 9:41 am

Yea, he should

DeRozan, LaVine, Harden, Young and two wc for FVV and Garland

Forwards: KD, Embiid, Tatum, Giannis, Butler and Middleton? Adebayo?Allen?

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Yallbecrazy · Post #283 » by **Yallbecrazy** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 12:50 pm

Derozan is playing point forward this year, why is he listed as a guard when he's more of a 4 than a 3, let alone 2?

Slade3 · Post #284 » by **Slade3** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 1:51 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:Derozan is playing point forward this year, why is he listed as a guard when he's more of a 4 than a 3, let alone 2?

Because a point forward is technically not a position?!

Time for Change · Post #285 » by **Time for Change** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 2:10 pm

Slade3 wrote:
Yallbecrazy wrote:Derozan is playing point forward this year, why is he listed as a guard when he's more of a 4 than a 3, let alone 2?

Because a point forward is technically not a position?!

Yeah but according to bbref he hasn’t played a minute at any guard position in 3 seasons, so the question stands. He deserves to be in as a forward.

FVV definitely deserves to be an All Star, but there is a lot of anchoring bias among voters (including media and players). Because they used to think of FVV as a bench guy, a back up, etc. they still think he’s that despite the fact it hasn’t been true for years and he’s putting up major impact numbers.

Edit: the reverse happens too, because guys like Tatum and Beal have reputations as “all stars” people still vote for them despite them no longer playing at that level.

KuruptedCav · Post #286 » by **KuruptedCav** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 2:23 pm

LaVine, Harden, Beal, Young, Ball,

Herro, Garland & VanVleet are the bubble. We’ll see who skips for injury/rest and the replacements.

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Big J · Post #287 » by **Big J** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 2:36 pm

Saciid11 wrote:
Caped Crusader wrote:
Big J wrote:
Except both guys actually have star power. Fred has that scrappy undersized Rudy quality that people love to root for but no one actually takes seriously.
Define "star power". Sounds like you're just making things up along the way with vague statements.

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That is why Fans voting has ruined the All Star game ... Guys who deserve to be All Star are snubbed because they are not flashy. FVV is having amazing season not just at the offensive, but defensively he is an elite and gives 100% at that end .. but never gets the recognition he deserves.

The All Star game is about dunks and logo 3s not defense and setting screens.

JShuttlesworth · Post #288 » by **JShuttlesworth** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 2:45 pm

A lot of awful takes in this thread from people who don't know anything about Fred's game, or his impact to the Raptors.

No surprise, we saw the same thing with DeRozan and Lowry a few years ago

Childs · Post #289 » by **Childs** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 2:58 pm

All I will say is thank god, the coaches have a say for who is an all-star, rather than it just being the fans (with 95% of them being low IQ). Zaza almost got voted in as a starter for gods sake.

Raps1103 · Post #290 » by **Raps1103** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 3:03 pm

Big J wrote:
Saciid11 wrote:
Caped Crusader wrote:Define "star power". Sounds like you're just making things up along the way with vague statements.

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That is why Fans voting has ruined the All Star game ... Guys who deserve to be All Star are snubbed because they are not flashy. FVV is having amazing season not just at the offensive, but defensively he is an elite and gives 100% at that end .. but never gets the recognition he deserves.

The All Star game is about dunks and logo 3s not defense and setting screens.

More evidence that you don’t watch any raptors games !! Freddy shoots 40% from 3… and shoots them from DEEEEEEEP!!

U accidentally just made a case FOR Freddy .. oops !!

Post #291 » by **Duffman100** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 3:50 pm

Read on Twitter

Yes against Utah's GLeague team, but still a crazy run and fun to watch live.

Infinite Llamas · Post #292 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 3:57 pm

Not having DeRozan as a front court player might rob someone like VanVleet or Garland from getting in, unfortunately. But make no mistake about it, Fred has very much been an All star this year.

srhcan · Post #293 » by **srhcan** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 3:59 pm

Duffman100 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Yes against Utah's GLeague team, but still a crazy run and fun to watch live.

whats up with calling him Freddie All-Star? He has never been all-star before

CoachD · Post #294 » by **CoachD** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 4:14 pm

srhcan wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Yes against Utah's GLeague team, but still a crazy run and fun to watch live.

whats up with calling him Freddie All-Star? He has never been all-star before

Because they're trying to speak it into existence. And it's going to work

CoachD · Post #295 » by **CoachD** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 4:22 pm

lambchop wrote:Crazy to me how a couple years ago this video was used to show how an absolute useless NBA scrub (Vanvleet) can easily destroy other hoopers 1on1 (a young Jordan Poole and Marcus Posley who was an OK G-league player).
Fast forward 4 years and he is in all star discussions.

Watch on YouTube

Fred was never a useless nba scrub. As a rookie, he barely played because Toronto had Lowry, Joseph, Derozan, Powell, Ross and Wright at the 2 guard spots. That's a lot of depth on a 51 win team. Whoeever... when he got a chance to play as a rookie he had a couple of double digit scoring games and everybody knew he had something

By his second year he was playing 20 mpg off the bench and had massive impact on winning.

He was never a useless scrub.

Parataxis · Post #296 » by **Parataxis** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 4:48 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:i mean fvv would be an all star in unimpressive years but yeah my bar is lavine to make all star. if your not playing better than iq bonehead, your probably doomed. playing for a low end playoff team doesnt help with inexperienced team with scottie.
all star you also need to be popular and fvv is probably the least likeable.

Okay, I get calling Fred short, or implying that his hot streak isn't enough to get him to the ASG (I disagree), or criticising his offense (how, though?).

But 'unlikable'? Dude is a blue collar workhorse, who gives it his all, upps his teammates (and other players) and just seems like an all around nice guy.

How is he unlikable, other than not being on a team you like?

SonicMcMahon · Post #297 » by **SonicMcMahon** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 4:49 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:He should be an all-star.

I desperately wanted the Knicks to sign him when he was a FA, love his game, he's basically Lowry the sequel.

Yep, just taking the Lowry reigns and doing a little bit of everything out there.

We love him!

PD28 · Post #298 » by **PD28** » Sat Jan 8, 2022 5:03 pm

I think it depends on where we end up in the standings by all-star game. I've never been a fan of non-playoff teams getting all-star selections.

lobosloboslobos · Post #299 » by **lobosloboslobos** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:37 am

32/4/4/2 in another win tonight and hit 3 straight deep 3s late in the 4th including this beauty to tie the game:

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anyone still not convinced?

ropjhk · Post #300 » by **ropjhk** » Mon Jan 10, 2022 1:39 am

If the Raptors are in a top 6 position when they select the players it will be very hard to deny FVV a spot.