Offseason thread vol 9 - RUN IT BYK

[Timantha]

It's crazy how well we defend Giannis lol

[3ballbomber]

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[twix2500]

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Well its obvious the Heat are just stacking trade assets. It clearly they are not concern about rounding off the roster

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[IceColdCubano]

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Well its obvious the Heat are just stacking trade assets. It clearly they are not concern about rounding off the roster

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They are looking at the future, it’s obvious you need picks to make transactions worthy of bringing talent back.
1. It’s a strategic move really, do you take the chance of losing some picks for an upgrade at the PF only to not reach a championship. Then your sitting here 2 years from now with a closed window and zero assets. They aren’t dumb their looking around and know exactly what will get them a ship, and it’s not a medial upgrade at the PF spot. That just rounds up the team to get a couple extra wins in the season and maybe a playoff game in the early rounds. Stars get you ships, so their hope is that one of Bam, Herro make the leap surrounding Jimmys talent enough to get to the promise land.
2. I do believe if something comes across where they can do a 1 for 1 trade without giving up picks they will do it prior to the deadline. They will be patient about this.
3. We need to be realistic not every one of our windows are going to title favorites we will go through windows we’re our talent gets us to the Semis/ECF or even Finals without ever getting to our ultimate goal. That will have to suffice it means we’re trying and always gonna be aggressive about it. However we cannot completely lose our composure and put the team in a miserable spot if it’s not going to garrantee a title favorite circumstance. Getting shaq was the correct move, getting Lebron/bosh was the correct, those were the ones that gave us real chances at a title. The team also learned from the wrong moves and definitely don’t want those to be repeated.

[twix2500]

Heat fans going nuts over this. I cld give a f*ck really

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Well its obvious the Heat are just stacking trade assets. It clearly they are not concern about rounding off the roster

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They are looking at the future, it’s obvious you need picks to make transactions worthy of bringing talent back.
1. It’s a strategic move really, do you take the chance of losing some picks for an upgrade at the PF only to not reach a championship. Then your sitting here 2 years from now with a closed window and zero assets. They aren’t dumb their looking around and know exactly what will get them a ship, and it’s not a medial upgrade at the PF spot. That just rounds up the team to get a couple extra wins in the season and maybe a playoff game in the early rounds. Stars get you ships, so their hope is that one of Bam, Herro make the leap surrounding Jimmys talent enough to get to the promise land.
2. I do believe if something comes across where they can do a 1 for 1 trade without giving up picks they will do it prior to the deadline. They will be patient about this.
3. We need to be realistic not every one of our windows are going to title favorites we will go through windows we’re our talent gets us to the Semis/ECF or even Finals without ever getting to our ultimate goal. That will have to suffice it means we’re trying and always gonna be aggressive about it. However we cannot completely lose our composure and put the team in a miserable spot if it’s not going to garrantee a title favorite circumstance. Getting shaq was the correct move, getting Lebron/bosh was the correct, those were the ones that gave us real chances at a title. The team also learned from the wrong moves and definitely don’t want those to be repeated.

Yes I get that. Been warning this room before the season ended. If the Heat didn't compete in the finals they will looking to make a big move and not round the edge. And it will likely happen at the trade deadline this season. Like I said I expect around 70% of the roster to be new by end of next summer. If not its because they failed to make moves. When I say 70% that is from the roster the team ended with last season. One player is already gone in Tucker

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[twix2500]

Listening to lot of local Miami media the impression is that the Heat are going to to transition to building around Bam and Herro will be the center trade piece to build around Bam even after signing an extension.

And building around Bam means an elite point guard will be one of the main pieces nedded.

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[Timantha]

Listening to lot of local Miami media the impression is that the Heat are going to to transition to building around Bam and Herro will be the center trade piece to build around Bam even after signing an extension.

And building around Bam means an elite point guard will be one of the main pieces nedded.

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Dragic will recruit this man to Miami in 2027 free agency

[twix2500]

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[AirP.]

Yes I get that. Been warning this room before the season ended. If the Heat didn't compete in the finals they will looking to make a big move and not round the edge. And it will likely happen at the trade deadline this season. Like I said I expect around 70% of the roster to be new by end of next summer. If not its because they failed to make moves. When I say 70% that is from the roster the team ended with last season. One player is already gone in Tucker.

It's going to get spicy (although I thought this was the summer of change, guess they put that off for 6-12 months), there are a lot of changes coming in the next 2 seasons. Only keeping 5 of last year's 14 isn't crazy at all, it's kind of expected with the cap/tax expected to go up 10 million next season and with Butler, Bam, Lowry and Robinson's contracts going up by around 12 million, Miami would move forward with even less money for the rest of the roster.

I think Butler, Bam, Martin and one of Robinson or Strus are the only safe players on the roster. Oladipo may also be safe if he's healthy and good since he's not going to net anything near his talent in a trade because of his age and medical history. They like Herro but can see that huge downside on the defensive end, if Herro could get just close to average, he'd be safe too. Ugh, sadly I think Vincent is probably safe too, he'll probably be the cheap to keep backup guard that isn't really good, but they trust him.

Although most are worried about PF, I'm really interested in what's Miami going to do about the 3pt specialist role in the next 2 seasons, do they keep moving forward with a 3pt specialist or is it time to use a more diverse player or sign a cheaper 3pt specialist? Miami did just release J.Smart who was the 3pt specialist in their pipeline, Strus is up for a new contract next summer, it's quite possible Strus gets offered more than Robinson and even though I think he's a better overall player, I don't like paying basically any 3pt specialist anywhere near that type of money.

If Miami wants to move away from the specialist (Robinson and maybe Strus) they have Herro who is a great 3pt shooter although he wants to do more with the ball but he's a liability on the defensive end. Butler seems to have prioritize shooting 3s this offseason, Lowry was fine shooting 3s, Oladipo is finally getting a real offseason and could be a solid 3pt shooter himself.

As for PF, the only real downgrade from PJ to Martin or even Butler is the ability to guard 4/5s in the low post and maybe Miami wants to see how big of a problem that will be before deciding how much of a priority that is for the team this year.

If this team doesn't look good enough early on, I wouldn't be surprised if Miami kick the tires on Westbrook to shed future money in a package that contained Lowry and Robinson, Miami might be able to get a 1st out of depending on the package to give Miami 4 1sts to trade if they want to plus create some cap space if Herro isn't extended until next summer. Who knows, maybe Spoelstra would know how to use Westbrook properly and Miami can lowball him greatly in the summer with nobody else to probably bid against. Although this summer was boring, there's a chance of a lot of fireworks in the future.

[KingDavid]

Listening to lot of local Miami media the impression is that the Heat are going to to transition to building around Bam and Herro will be the center trade piece to build around Bam even after signing an extension.

And building around Bam means an elite point guard will be one of the main pieces nedded.

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Dragic will recruit this man to Miami in 2027 free agency

Mark Cuban would never allow this to happen. Not while he's the owner.

[gom]

What are the thoughts on how NBA expansion to Las Vegas and Seattle will affect the Heat? I see both of these weaker teams joining the West, because of geography. I'm divided between New Orleans and Memphis about who should come East. Minnesota would suck. It's too cold there.

[KingDavid]

What are the thoughts on how NBA expansion to Las Vegas and Seattle will affect the Heat? I see both of these weaker teams joining the West, because of geography. I'm divided between New Orleans and Memphis about who should come East. Minnesota would suck. It's too cold there.

Idk what it entails, but if there's an expansion draft, we're about to lose some guys lol.

[gom]

What are the thoughts on how NBA expansion to Las Vegas and Seattle will affect the Heat? I see both of these weaker teams joining the West, because of geography. I'm divided between New Orleans and Memphis about who should come East. Minnesota would suck. It's too cold there.

Idk what it entails, but if there's an expansion draft, we're about to lose some guys lol.

Probably only two guys would be lost. Here are the rules for the last expansion draft:

1. Unrestricted free agents are ineligible for the expansion draft.
2. Each team can protect up to eight players. If a team has less than eight players on its roster to protect, it still must leave a minimum of one player unprotected.
3. The expansion team must select a minimum of 14 players and can select a maximum of 29 players overall.
4. The expansion team can select only one player from any one NBA team.
5. The expansion team is not bound to the salary cap during the draft. They can take on as many contracts as they like. However, once the draft is over, any players they've drafted and keep will count toward their cap (it should come in at around $31 million).
6. As long as the expansion team waives a player selected in the expansion draft before the first day of the regular season, the player's remaining contract does not count against the team's salary cap.
7. Restricted free agents drafted in the expansion draft automatically become unrestricted free agents.
8. Teams are allowed to entice the expansion team to select players by offering cash, draft picks or agreeing to additional trades in return.
9. If a team has a player selected by the expansion team, the team receives a trade exception equal to the player's 2004-05 salary. (This allows teams to replace a player lost in the expansion draft with another player of comparable salary.)

We would be able to protect 8 of them, and we don't have many long-term contracts. Something like this:

1. Butler
2. Bam
3. Herro
4. Oladipo
5. Martin
6. Lowry
7. Jovic
8. Yurtseven (because he is RFA, whereas Vincent & Strus are UFA)

I would not protect Duncan but would not offer any incentive to take him.

[contract]

What are the thoughts on how NBA expansion to Las Vegas and Seattle will affect the Heat? I see both of these weaker teams joining the West, because of geography. I'm divided between New Orleans and Memphis about who should come East. Minnesota would suck. It's too cold there.

It probably depends on what the NBA decides to do as far as divisions.

2 conferences with no divisions
4 divisions (8 teams each)
8 divisions (4 teams each)
6 divisions with 2 carrying an extra team

None of the options seems ideal.

6 divisions -

They could shift New Orleans into the SE division, and tuck Seattle into the NW with Las Vegas taking the Pelicans place in the SW.

4 divisons -

NE - Celtics, Knicks, Nets, 76ers, Raptors, Wizards, Pistons, Cavs
SE - Heat, Magic, Hawks, Pelicans, Hornets, Grizzlies, Bulls, Pacers

Central - Jazz, Nuggets, Thunder, Spurs, Mavs, Rockets, T'Wolves, Bucks
Pacific - Lakers, Clippers, King, Warriors, Blazers, Sonics, LV, Suns

A geographic mess but ...

8 divisions -

NE - Celtics, Knicks, Nets, 76ers
Atlantic - Hornets, Grizzlies, Wizards, Cavs
SE - Heat, Magic, Hawks, Pelicans
Central - Bulls, Pistons, Pacers, Raptors

Midwest - Spurs, Rockets, Mavs, Thunder
SW - Suns, LV, Jazz, Nuggets
NW - Sonics, Blazers, T'Wolves, Bucks
Pacific - Lakers, Clippers, Warriors, Kings

2 conferences with no divisions -

East of the Mississippi River -
West of the Mississippi River -

I don't know if any of that makes sense, but I'm going to stop now because I've given myself a bangin' headache.
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[contract]

What are the thoughts on how NBA expansion to Las Vegas and Seattle will affect the Heat? I see both of these weaker teams joining the West, because of geography. I'm divided between New Orleans and Memphis about who should come East. Minnesota would suck. It's too cold there.

Idk what it entails, but if there's an expansion draft, we're about to lose some guys lol.

Probably just 1.

[BadMofoPimp]

Heat fans going nuts over this. I cld give a f*ck really

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Maybe it was chemistry.

[IceColdCubano]

What are the thoughts on how NBA expansion to Las Vegas and Seattle will affect the Heat? I see both of these weaker teams joining the West, because of geography. I'm divided between New Orleans and Memphis about who should come East. Minnesota would suck. It's too cold there.

Idk what it entails, but if there's an expansion draft, we're about to lose some guys lol.

Probably only two guys would be lost. Here are the rules for the last expansion draft:

1. Unrestricted free agents are ineligible for the expansion draft.
2. Each team can protect up to eight players. If a team has less than eight players on its roster to protect, it still must leave a minimum of one player unprotected.
3. The expansion team must select a minimum of 14 players and can select a maximum of 29 players overall.
4. The expansion team can select only one player from any one NBA team.
5. The expansion team is not bound to the salary cap during the draft. They can take on as many contracts as they like. However, once the draft is over, any players they've drafted and keep will count toward their cap (it should come in at around $31 million).
6. As long as the expansion team waives a player selected in the expansion draft before the first day of the regular season, the player's remaining contract does not count against the team's salary cap.
7. Restricted free agents drafted in the expansion draft automatically become unrestricted free agents.
8. Teams are allowed to entice the expansion team to select players by offering cash, draft picks or agreeing to additional trades in return.
9. If a team has a player selected by the expansion team, the team receives a trade exception equal to the player's 2004-05 salary. (This allows teams to replace a player lost in the expansion draft with another player of comparable salary.)

We would be able to protect 8 of them, and we don't have many long-term contracts. Something like this:

1. Butler
2. Bam
3. Herro
4. Oladipo
5. Martin
6. Lowry
7. Jovic
8. Yurtseven (because he is RFA, whereas Vincent & Strus are UFA)

I would not protect Duncan but would not offer any incentive to take him.

Id replace Lowry for struss. What better way to get rid of that contract early. He will help mentor the up and coming new team easy sell.

[BadMofoPimp]

What are the thoughts on how NBA expansion to Las Vegas and Seattle will affect the Heat? I see both of these weaker teams joining the West, because of geography. I'm divided between New Orleans and Memphis about who should come East. Minnesota would suck. It's too cold there.

Idk what it entails, but if there's an expansion draft, we're about to lose some guys lol.

Probably only two guys would be lost. Here are the rules for the last expansion draft:

1. Unrestricted free agents are ineligible for the expansion draft.
2. Each team can protect up to eight players. If a team has less than eight players on its roster to protect, it still must leave a minimum of one player unprotected.
3. The expansion team must select a minimum of 14 players and can select a maximum of 29 players overall.
4. The expansion team can select only one player from any one NBA team.
5. The expansion team is not bound to the salary cap during the draft. They can take on as many contracts as they like. However, once the draft is over, any players they've drafted and keep will count toward their cap (it should come in at around $31 million).
6. As long as the expansion team waives a player selected in the expansion draft before the first day of the regular season, the player's remaining contract does not count against the team's salary cap.
7. Restricted free agents drafted in the expansion draft automatically become unrestricted free agents.
8. Teams are allowed to entice the expansion team to select players by offering cash, draft picks or agreeing to additional trades in return.
9. If a team has a player selected by the expansion team, the team receives a trade exception equal to the player's 2004-05 salary. (This allows teams to replace a player lost in the expansion draft with another player of comparable salary.)

We would be able to protect 8 of them, and we don't have many long-term contracts. Something like this:

1. Butler
2. Bam
3. Herro
4. Oladipo
5. Martin
6. Lowry
7. Jovic
8. Yurtseven (because he is RFA, whereas Vincent & Strus are UFA)

I would not protect Duncan but would not offer any incentive to take him.

Lowry would be the first one unprotected. Duncan would be the 2nd.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Maybe it was chemistry.

We were not going in to the tax for him, it’s that simple.