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Post#281 » by jonbob17 » Wed May 17, 2023 6:53 pm

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basketballRob wrote:I doubt Portland trades the pick.

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and i absolutely believe they will. they will drop back and get a good vet for Dame's last few years run.


Remember when they wanted Aaron Gordon, but couldn't get the deal done and ended up with Robert Covington. They are probably wishing they sweetened that offer a little bit.
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Post#282 » by eyriq » Wed May 17, 2023 6:58 pm

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Post#283 » by pepe1991 » Wed May 17, 2023 7:04 pm

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basketballRob wrote:I doubt Portland trades the pick.

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and i absolutely believe they will. they will drop back and get a good vet for Dame's last few years run.


Remember when they wanted Aaron Gordon, but couldn't get the deal done and ended up with Robert Covington. They are probably wishing they sweetened that offer a little bit.


It would still not matter for them at all.

Gordon works for Nuggets because they have 4 players around him with ability to hit open shots and he spends vast majority of time standing on dunker's spot.

Even last night his existence and purpose on Nuggets, in matchup with Lakers started to be questionable. As long as he is around paint, he allows Davis to patrol paint. If he could shoot, it would force Lakers to not do cross-matchup and it would force Davis to be full time Jokic matchup. But since that's not case, Lakers gamble with Hachimura on Jokic with Davis being rim protector and ignores Gordon whenever he isn't around rim.

You look how they beat them last night, they made 15/32 threes. That's not very sustainable offense going forward.
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Post#284 » by yoyojw17 » Wed May 17, 2023 7:08 pm

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trade back option for the blazers and hornets? I kinda hope he just falls in our lap though. Upside is all there... with a much more respectable floor than many might think.
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Post#285 » by Knightro » Wed May 17, 2023 7:25 pm

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Post#286 » by Magic#1 » Wed May 17, 2023 7:25 pm

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thelead wrote:Then you wonder what Portland is going to do with Scoot… likely trade him for vet help for Dame. Or, they could keep him and trade Dame for a ton of picks to set up their rebuild.

I would assume Miller is the favorite at two now. If Scoot is there at three, I have Portland name their price.

The key is not to over pay. Scoot has his own question marks even though I have him at #2. Would I trade 6 and 11 for him? Yes. Would I throw Suggs into that as well? Hell no.

I think I'm with you on that. Charlotte and Portland both have some tough decisions to make. If Charlotte loves MIller, then that's easier for them. But I'm really not sure what Portland would do.
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Post#287 » by jonbob17 » Wed May 17, 2023 7:26 pm

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It would still not matter for them at all.

Gordon works for Nuggets because they have 4 players around him with ability to hit open shots and he spends vast majority of time standing on dunker's spot.

Even last night his existence and purpose on Nuggets, in matchup with Lakers started to be questionable. As long as he is around paint, he allows Davis to patrol paint. If he could shoot, it would force Lakers to not do cross-matchup and it would force Davis to be full time Jokic matchup. But since that's not case, Lakers gamble with Hachimura on Jokic with Davis being rim protector and ignores Gordon whenever he isn't around rim.

You look how they beat them last night, they made 15/32 threes. That's not very sustainable offense going forward.


Gordon's still a good on ball defender. He's flourishing on the Nuggets because the Maestro can get him the ball from so many places on cuts. Covington was just a team/help defender, defensive reputation inflated by the number of steals he got. Portland needs players that can play defense. Gordon would not be nearly as good on Portland as the Nuggets, but still would have been much better that Covington.

Just think how bad these trades were:
1. Two first rounders for Covington
2. Gary Trent Jr. for Norm Powell (fine on its own)
3. Covington + Powell for scraps to get under luxury tax
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Post#288 » by Magic#1 » Wed May 17, 2023 7:44 pm

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trade back option for the blazers and hornets? I kinda hope he just falls in our lap though. Upside is all there... with a much more respectable floor than many might think.

I'm skeptical as hell about the Thompsons, but others do seem really high on them. Plus, they both do come across as pretty mature. Ausar does fit perfectly on our roster but I would need to see how they perform against other prospects.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#289 » by Knightro » Wed May 17, 2023 7:44 pm

Post Lotto Mock from Sam Vecenie

1. San Antonio - Victor Wembanyama
2. Charlotte - Scoot Henderson
3. Portland - Brandon Miller
4. Houston - Amen Thompson
5. Detroit - Cam Whitmore

6. Orlando - Taylor Hendricks, forward, UCF
The Magic love guys like Hendricks who are long, athletic and have high upside. On top of that, Hendricks actually fills a real need as a shooter for a team that really could use one. The team finished in the bottom 10 in the NBA in 3-point rate, and the Magic shot just 34.6 percent this season. They obviously have a lot of this player type already, but he’s a skill-level fit the team likely envisioned when they drafted Chuma Okeke as a valuable multi-positional player a few years ago. This is definitely the high-end of his range, but Hendricks starts getting in play here.


7. Indiana - Jarace Walker
8. Washington - Ausar Thompson
9. Utah - Anthony Black
10. Dallas - Derek Lively III

11. Orlando - Grady Dick, wing, Kansas
The Magic need shooting around Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner, especially if they’re going to continue with a backcourt core of Markelle Fultz and Jalen Suggs. Dick is an elite shooter. This is an easy one.


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Post#290 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed May 17, 2023 7:53 pm

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Post#291 » by Rick Rolled » Wed May 17, 2023 8:14 pm

I purposely stayed away from prospect scouting videos until after the lottery so I didn’t get too high on someone who’s ultimately unattainable at our picks.

I think I’m going to need an eye transplant after today. I’ve been staring at YouTube for the past ten hours.

My extremely early and completely uneducated early choices would be some combination of:

6 - Ausar/Hendricks/Whitmore
11 - Dick, Hawkins, George

I am really trying to stay away from the mindset I had with Aaron Nesmith a few years ago when I wanted the best shooter available without taking glaring weaknesses into account.

After watching a ton of videos, there’s not many guys who I’d be upset with taking.

I’m sure my list will change dramatically over the next month. I hope that we don’t just punt the 11th pick for little value in return, and I hope we don’t make an Okeke type reach where we pick a projected 2nd round talent mid lottery (I know Okeke was rated higher before the ACL tear, but there weren’t many mocks where he was top 35 after the injury).
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Post#292 » by eyriq » Wed May 17, 2023 8:17 pm

Rick Rolled wrote:I purposely stayed away from prospect scouting videos until after the lottery so I didn’t get too high on someone who’s ultimately unattainable at our picks.

I think I’m going to need an eye transplant after today. I’ve been staring at YouTube for the past ten hours.

My extremely early and completely uneducated early choices would be some combination of:

6 - Ausar/Hendricks/Whitmore
11 - Dick, Hawkins, George

I am really trying to stay away from the mindset I had with Aaron Nesmith a few years ago when I wanted the best shooter available without taking glaring weaknesses into account.

After watching a ton of videos, there’s not many guys who I’d be upset with taking.

I’m sure my list will change dramatically over the next month. I hope that we don’t just punt the 11th pick for little value in return, and I hope we don’t make an Okeke type reach where we pick a projected 2nd round talent mid lottery (I know Okeke was rated higher before the ACL tear, but there weren’t many mocks where he was top 35 after the injury).


I always find myself agreeing with your analysis and assessments!
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Post#293 » by MAGICian619 » Wed May 17, 2023 8:20 pm

Assuming no trades and the top 4 goes as expected I think we are looking at:

At 6: Ausar Thompson vs Cam Whitmore - This may be an easy choice as one of them could go to Detroit at 5.

at 11: Gradey Dick vs Cason Wallace vs Keyonte George vs Weltman mystery man - clearly this one much harder to predict at this point.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 3 

Post#294 » by Def Swami » Wed May 17, 2023 8:46 pm

In an ideal scenario, I'd package both #6 and #11 for #2 or #3 for either Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller.
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Post#295 » by T-Cat » Wed May 17, 2023 9:18 pm

Def Swami wrote:In an ideal scenario, I'd package both #6 and #11 for #2 or #3 for either Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller.


Exactly! I be even tempted to add Franz to the deal with the Hornets along with 6 and 11 for #2
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Post#296 » by basketballRob » Wed May 17, 2023 9:22 pm

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Def Swami wrote:In an ideal scenario, I'd package both #6 and #11 for #2 or #3 for either Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller.


Exactly! I be even tempted to add Franz to the deal with the Hornets along with 6 and 11 for #2
What if Scoot ends up being Eric Bledsoe?

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Post#297 » by davey_wavy » Wed May 17, 2023 9:22 pm

I like GG Jackson with the 11th. Feels Scottie Barnes-esk
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Post#298 » by tiderulz » Wed May 17, 2023 9:23 pm

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Def Swami wrote:In an ideal scenario, I'd package both #6 and #11 for #2 or #3 for either Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller.


Exactly! I be even tempted to add Franz to the deal with the Hornets along with 6 and 11 for #2

nope, keeping Franz. Franz, Paolo and then Miller or Scoot. that would be our trio. you want to move someone else, fine.
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Post#299 » by basketballRob » Wed May 17, 2023 9:25 pm

davey_wavy wrote:I like GG Jackson with the 11th. Feels Scottie Barnes-esk
I like him too. I don't think he'll be Scottie. GG will be a way better scorer.

I like Wallace at 6 and GG at 11.

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Post#300 » by MagicFan101 » Wed May 17, 2023 10:19 pm

Def Swami wrote:In an ideal scenario, I'd package both #6 and #11 for #2 or #3 for either Scoot Henderson or Brandon Miller.


Obviously but will Charlotte or Portland?

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