OT: Clinton or Bush?

[MrDollarBills]

Because it's incredibly easy to blame a group of people with very limited actual power for everything wrong in your life

Something similar happened nearly 100 years ago in Germany. They also started by going after gay and trans people first.

Sorry to double quote, but this reminds me of the story of Ernest Rohm.

Rohm was one of Hitler's right hand men. Went along with everything that the Nazis were doing.

Then, in 1934, the Night of the Long Knives happened. Rohm, who was a homosexual, was shot to death by his own fellow nazis, his execution ordered by Hitler himself.

People need to realize when you support movements that focus on consolidation of total power while demonizing minorities to gain support from people who subscribe to hateful beliefs, one way or another, they will turn their guns towards you when they start running out of "enemies" to project their followers malice towards.

Is this a thinly veiled allusion about Laura Loomer recently outing (again x infinity) Lindsay Graham?

Lindsay and Laura weren't on my mind when I wrote that, but it does apply.

Lindsay is gay, Laura is Jewish. They think that being apart of "the in group" will save them. It will not. Gays and Jews are not going to be spared from the Project 2025 agenda, no matter how hard they try.

Laura already said several vile things about Graham the other day that even i wouldn't say, and i despise the man. She thinks she's safe. She is delusional.

[MrDollarBills]

Sorry to double quote, but this reminds me of the story of Ernest Rohm.

Rohm was one of Hitler's right hand men. Went along with everything that the Nazis were doing.

Then, in 1934, the Night of the Long Knives happened. Rohm, who was a homosexual, was shot to death by his own fellow nazis, his execution ordered by Hitler himself.

People need to realize when you support movements that focus on consolidation of total power while demonizing minorities to gain support from people who subscribe to hateful beliefs, one way or another, they will turn their guns towards you when they start running out of "enemies" to project their followers malice towards.

Is this a thinly veiled allusion about Laura Loomer recently outing (again x infinity) Lindsay Graham?

It's more about them just like, straight up making stuff up to target vulnerable communities

It's been obvious for a while, the post-birth "abortions" stuff, the claiming kids are being forcefully transitioned during schools, hell I'm sure a lot of the "reasonable" Republicans on here still believe in the kitty litter stuff

All of that stuff was clearly lies, but they at least pretended like they believed it to keep their cover

But with Vance admitting they made up the stories about Haitians eating pets, it should call into question everything they say about "this is what's actually happening"

It won't, especially amongst the "reasonable" Republicans, but it should. We just live in bizarro world where you can just make up stories about minorities and LGBTQ people, and 40% of the country will just believe it even after it's been proven false.

"They're eating the dogs! They're eating the cats!"

I mean I would be embarrassed to support someone who says this.

[DOT]

The media, owned by the conservative billionaire class, isn't grading Trump on a curve, they are actively propping him up.

Biden dropped out and suddenly to the media, the age and mental fitness of presidential candidates no longer was an issue. That was deliberate.

It was definitely a feeding frenzy but it wasn’t just the Conservatives or billionaires. Far left independent media was in on the pile on. Even people who had supported Biden in the past that are Democrats were in on it.

It was a real time hit job but ultimately Biden stepping down and endorsing Harris in the way that he did minimized the chaos from it.

This is why it’s bull anytime right wingers complain the media is unfair to Trump. Republicans have zero standards in the eyes of the media and they don’t get held to the same expectations as Democrats. The history books will look back at this time and the failure of the media will be a whole freaking chapter.

The far left media never liked Biden to begin with, despite him being further to the left of any President of the past 45 years. At some point I gave up on that side because while I feel their heart is in the right place on several issues, they tend to throw pragmatism out the window and they do not understand that to accomplish anything politically you need to coalition build with people you may not agree with on everything.

But, it looks like so far things have worked well. Harris and Walz have energized voters and are actually gasp building a coalition with the goal in mind of protecting this country.

I tip my hat off to Old Man Joe. He did right by stepping aside.

So from a certain point of view, the "far left media" had a point, and Biden stepping aside to let Kamala take over was the right move.

[MrDollarBills]

Waiting for the 200 articles from the Times calling for Trump to step down

Read on Twitter

He lies so much that I don't know if this is him sundowning or he's just saying whatever because he knows his supporters will believe anything he says.

[DOT]

Is this a thinly veiled allusion about Laura Loomer recently outing (again x infinity) Lindsay Graham?

It's more about them just like, straight up making stuff up to target vulnerable communities

It's been obvious for a while, the post-birth "abortions" stuff, the claiming kids are being forcefully transitioned during schools, hell I'm sure a lot of the "reasonable" Republicans on here still believe in the kitty litter stuff

All of that stuff was clearly lies, but they at least pretended like they believed it to keep their cover

But with Vance admitting they made up the stories about Haitians eating pets, it should call into question everything they say about "this is what's actually happening"

It won't, especially amongst the "reasonable" Republicans, but it should. We just live in bizarro world where you can just make up stories about minorities and LGBTQ people, and 40% of the country will just believe it even after it's been proven false.

"They're eating the dogs! They're eating the cats!"

I mean I would be embarrassed to support someone who says this.

They are embarrassed

That's why they avoid these threads. They'll still embarrassedly vote for him though. Nothing will change their minds because they were brought up to be obedient little soldiers

It's for the best though. Finding out someone you have good discussions with on sports is a dogmatically loyal Republican despite all the evidence is always kind of a bummer cause you can't help but have that in the back of your mind when interacting with them afterwards.

[MrDollarBills]

It was definitely a feeding frenzy but it wasn’t just the Conservatives or billionaires. Far left independent media was in on the pile on. Even people who had supported Biden in the past that are Democrats were in on it.

It was a real time hit job but ultimately Biden stepping down and endorsing Harris in the way that he did minimized the chaos from it.

This is why it’s bull anytime right wingers complain the media is unfair to Trump. Republicans have zero standards in the eyes of the media and they don’t get held to the same expectations as Democrats. The history books will look back at this time and the failure of the media will be a whole freaking chapter.

The far left media never liked Biden to begin with, despite him being further to the left of any President of the past 45 years. At some point I gave up on that side because while I feel their heart is in the right place on several issues, they tend to throw pragmatism out the window and they do not understand that to accomplish anything politically you need to coalition build with people you may not agree with on everything.

But, it looks like so far things have worked well. Harris and Walz have energized voters and are actually gasp building a coalition with the goal in mind of protecting this country.

I tip my hat off to Old Man Joe. He did right by stepping aside.

So from a certain point of view, the "far left media" had a point, and Biden stepping aside to let Kamala take over was the right move.

They were absolutely correct.

To be fair, the far left journos calling for Biden to step down isn't the same as say, Katy Tur on MSNBC raging for Biden to step down while gaslighting Americans by presenting Donald Trump as a legitimate Presidential candidate.

[DOT]

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/19/nx-s1-5118393/undecided-voters-kamala-harris-donald-trump

Brady, 30, Wisconsin, leaning Trump
On the debate, Brady said, “Kamala [Harris] did a better job articulating her points, obviously.”

He added: “I don’t want to go through another four years of a Trump presidency.”

But his vote is largely contingent on his personal financial situation, and he noted, “Things have gotten more expensive.”

“I have probably a middle-class income for my family,” he said, “and it doesn’t feel like it’s getting any easier — even as my wife and I have advanced in our careers.”

Brady said he aligned more with former President Barack Obama and said he doesn’t “like her policies” on the economy.

Asked what specifically he doesn’t like, he said, “I can’t say I’m super knowledgeable about the specifics, but from a how-our-family-is-feeling standpoint, just not sure.”

This is how dumb the American electorate is, holy sh*t. Literally, there's just nothing you can say to this guy if you're a Dem candidate, how are you supposed to reason with this?

[j4remi]

The far left media never liked Biden to begin with, despite him being further to the left of any President of the past 45 years. At some point I gave up on that side because while I feel their heart is in the right place on several issues, they tend to throw pragmatism out the window and they do not understand that to accomplish anything politically you need to coalition build with people you may not agree with on everything.

But, it looks like so far things have worked well. Harris and Walz have energized voters and are actually gasp building a coalition with the goal in mind of protecting this country.

I tip my hat off to Old Man Joe. He did right by stepping aside.

So from a certain point of view, the "far left media" had a point, and Biden stepping aside to let Kamala take over was the right move.

They were absolutely correct.

To be fair, the far left journos calling for Biden to step down isn't the same as say, Katy Tur on MSNBC raging for Biden to step down while gaslighting Americans by presenting Donald Trump as a legitimate Presidential candidate.

The problem with most liberal comments on "far left" is that they just kinda fold everything left of American-center (which is fairly to the right of many places) into one box. So people I think are very pragmatic and generally pretty good like Sam Seder or Olayemi Olurin get tied to the Jimmy Dore's of the world, who I don't even think should be classified as leftists at this point.

Everyone on the left, rightfully, called out Joe Biden doing poorly in appearances and polling for months. But they were vilified until the debate happened and it became undeniable. But I think there's a pretty obvious gap between the folks who said "Biden should step down, and Harris should take over" versus "Biden is too old, you should vote for Williamson (or West, or Stein).

There's a big gap between lefties who critique the Dems from a strategic place versus the accelerationist (grifter) wing of the left.

[omerome]

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/19/nx-s1-5118393/undecided-voters-kamala-harris-donald-trump

Brady, 30, Wisconsin, leaning Trump
On the debate, Brady said, “Kamala [Harris] did a better job articulating her points, obviously.”

He added: “I don’t want to go through another four years of a Trump presidency.”

But his vote is largely contingent on his personal financial situation, and he noted, “Things have gotten more expensive.”

“I have probably a middle-class income for my family,” he said, “and it doesn’t feel like it’s getting any easier — even as my wife and I have advanced in our careers.”

Brady said he aligned more with former President Barack Obama and said he doesn’t “like her policies” on the economy.

Asked what specifically he doesn’t like, he said, “I can’t say I’m super knowledgeable about the specifics, but from a how-our-family-is-feeling standpoint, just not sure.”

This is how dumb the American electorate is, holy sh*t. Literally, there's just nothing you can say to this guy if you're a Dem candidate, how are you supposed to reason with this?

"I have no idea what her policies are, so therefore I don't like them". He has no idea WHY everything is expensive. But he will tell you to "do your own research".

[Wigginstime]

If you support Trump, understand what you are voting for. Meanwhile the rest of us, liberals, progressives, moderates, Never Trump conservatives, etc will be voting to protect you from these goons who do not care one iota about you or your families.

Most Trump supporters seem to almost embrace the "negatives" associated with Trump as a "necessary evi"l based on the narrative that Trump is the only person who can either

1. Fix the Economy - Doesn't matter what Trump will actually do. Between the association of the democratic party with radical socialists like Bernie Sanders and the exceptionally inflation observed during the Biden administration, people want to support Trump as an economic solution

2. Fix Woke Culture - A lot of extremists lies have been created to make liberals look crazy. My favorite lie was the narrative that democrats were pushing to standardize litters boxes in schools for children who identify as cats. Regardless there are a lot of people who think Americas has lots its way and want an extreme leader who isn't afraid of being accused of discrimination. For scary thought

3. Border Control - Probably the one topic where Trump might actually have some effect. Illegal immigration hit all time highs during Biden's term. People want action on this topic and democrats typically oppose this with some extremists like AOC going as far as wanting to claim there are no such thing as illegal immigrations, these are just asylum seekers.

My biggest frustration with Trump supporters is they don't seem to actually support Trump. They support this imaginary narrative of his fixing the 3 issues above.

[Stannis]

The problem with most liberal comments on "far left" is that they just kinda fold everything left of American-center (which is fairly to the right of many places) into one box.

Yeah. This is kinda why I chuckle when people call somebody like Sanders or AOC "far left" / "extremist". They'd be considered center-left anywhere else in the world .

[DOT]

with some extremists like AOC going as far as wanting to claim there are no such thing as illegal immigrations, these are just asylum seekers.

I google'd "AOC no such thing as illegal immigration" and couldn't find anything

Could you please source this claim.

[Worm Guts]

My biggest frustration with Trump supporters is they don't seem to actually support Trump. They support this imaginary narrative of his fixing the 3 issues above.

I don't know if I think that's true. The whole QAnon phenomenon was built around Donald Trump fan fiction. There's a legitimate amount of Trump supporters that put him on some sort of weird pedestal.

[j4remi]

3. Border Control - Probably the one topic where Trump might actually have some effect. Illegal immigration hit all time highs during Biden's term. People want action on this topic and democrats typically oppose this with some extremists like AOC going as far as wanting to claim there are no such thing as illegal immigrations, these are just asylum seekers.

This isn't an issue due to Democratic policy. It's a result of the prior president reducing all forms of legal immigration and slowing asylum hearings to a near-halt, creating a bunch of bottlenecks that were exacerbated by the pandemic and ensuing quarantines.

Pair that with the Trump Administration changing the law so that asylum seekers are no longer allowed to cross into the U.S. and present themselves after, and you had a perfect combination for the numbers look exaggerated compared to periods where there were broader options to enter legally AND no bottlenecks formed by prior administrations' decisions.

[Stannis]

Spoiler:

Most Trump supporters seem to almost embrace the "negatives" associated with Trump as a "necessary evi"l based on the narrative that Trump is the only person who can either

1. Fix the Economy - Doesn't matter what Trump will actually do. Between the association of the democratic party with radical socialists like Bernie Sanders and the exceptionally inflation observed during the Biden administration, people want to support Trump as an economic solution

2. Fix Woke Culture - A lot of extremists lies have been created to make liberals look crazy. My favorite lie was the narrative that democrats were pushing to standardize litters boxes in schools for children who identify as cats. Regardless there are a lot of people who think Americas has lots its way and want an extreme leader who isn't afraid of being accused of discrimination. For scary thought

3. Border Control - Probably the one topic where Trump might actually have some effect. Illegal immigration hit all time highs during Biden's term. People want action on this topic and democrats typically oppose this with some extremists like AOC going as far as wanting to claim there are no such thing as illegal immigrations, these are just asylum seekers.

I definitely think they believe in # 2 and think he's the man to "fix it". This seems to be their biggest motivation.

As far as the economy, I honestly don't think they care. They'll take whatever helps their agenda with # 2. They already expressed their dissatisfaction with the fed lowering rates by 0.50 bps while Biden is POTUS. I'm pretty sure they just wanted an economic collapse instead so they could blame it on immigrants, minorities, and "woke culture".

Unlike Biden, Trump is really pushy with the fed and doesn't allow them to operate apolitically and independently. If elected as POTUS, he already said he was going to fire JPow. So it just sounds like Trump wants zero or very low interest rates again, but only if he is POTUS.

[MrDollarBills]

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/19/nx-s1-5118393/undecided-voters-kamala-harris-donald-trump

Brady, 30, Wisconsin, leaning Trump
On the debate, Brady said, “Kamala [Harris] did a better job articulating her points, obviously.”

He added: “I don’t want to go through another four years of a Trump presidency.”

But his vote is largely contingent on his personal financial situation, and he noted, “Things have gotten more expensive.”

“I have probably a middle-class income for my family,” he said, “and it doesn’t feel like it’s getting any easier — even as my wife and I have advanced in our careers.”

Brady said he aligned more with former President Barack Obama and said he doesn’t “like her policies” on the economy.

Asked what specifically he doesn’t like, he said, “I can’t say I’m super knowledgeable about the specifics, but from a how-our-family-is-feeling standpoint, just not sure.”

This is how dumb the American electorate is, holy sh*t. Literally, there's just nothing you can say to this guy if you're a Dem candidate, how are you supposed to reason with this?

This is why I had to step back and stop taking this stuff so personally over the years. I feel like large swaths of the population really don't understand how government works or what they're even supporting.

Like this guy has a family and he's undecided between the woman who wants to bring back the child tax credit and give middle class families relief and the guy who signed a tax bill that quietly raised taxes on families making below $100k.

"I don't like her policies" but not being able to articulate why is....christ. makes my head hurt

[MrDollarBills]

My biggest frustration with Trump supporters is they don't seem to actually support Trump. They support this imaginary narrative of his fixing the 3 issues above.

I don't know if I think that's true. The whole QAnon phenomenon was built around Donald Trump fan fiction. There's a legitimate amount of Trump supporters that put him on some sort of weird pedestal.

I know a younger guy, Black, who fell into that QAnon rabbit hole and he was trying to tell me that Trump is some champion against sex trafficking and pedophilia.

He doesn't like me anymore.

[MrDollarBills]

with some extremists like AOC going as far as wanting to claim there are no such thing as illegal immigrations, these are just asylum seekers.

I google'd "AOC no such thing as illegal immigration" and couldn't find anything

Could you please source this claim.

It's a completely false claim. AOC said

“Seeking asylum is a legal right of all people. In the face of authoritarian threat, we should not buckle on our principles – we should commit to them,”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-faces-criticism-johnson-progressives-weighing-executive-action/story?id=107455986


Calling AOC an extremist was an immediate red flag, so not surprised that dude is telling lies about her.

Also, Biden was going to shut down the border but Trump, a private citizen, ordered Republicans in the House to kill the border security bill.

Republicans don't care about illegal immigration or border security, it's just a racist dog whistle. If they were really worried about illegal immigration they'd be more concerned about the fact that most "illegals" are people who come here on airplanes and overstay their visa. Some of those people come from Europe.

[MrDollarBills]

The problem with most liberal comments on "far left" is that they just kinda fold everything left of American-center (which is fairly to the right of many places) into one box.

Yeah. This is kinda why I chuckle when people call somebody like Sanders or AOC "far left" / "extremist". They'd be considered center-left anywhere else in the world .

I was gonna say this. The idea that AOC is some far left extremist is just absurd. In Europe she wouldn't even be considered a real leftist. She even said that herself!

[Knick4Real]

Waiting for the 200 articles from the Times calling for Trump to step down

Read on Twitter

He lies so much that I don't know if this is him sundowning or he's just saying whatever because he knows his supporters will believe anything he says.

I think you're right!

He lies so much that this appears to be him doing it again. However, you can see the moment he realizes the lie doesn't make sense, so he tries to cover his tracks. It's just like when he said, "We lost by a whisper," then tried to cover up later by pretending he was just being sarcastic.

The strange thing is that people have become so numb to him saying whacky things, they're not even phased by it anymore.