PG: Knicks vs Heat: 10/30/24

[The Lamma]

Out of everything that happened during the broadcast, this was the most astonishing

[prophet_of_rage]

Jimmy Butler is either checked-out or washed. He’s going through the motions

he and bam both

Jimmy is old and out of there. Miami isn't the team to fear that it used to be. But you gotta.stomp them down.

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[3toheadmelo]

i see pat riley has lost the juice.. hate to see it. he’s fostered a toxic roster there in no man’s land now with jimmy’s contract situation and age

I was shocked he even went after Rozier. He's like the worst PG you can get for a franchise that has instilled a winning culture over the 10+ years. They're a much better team when they run the offense through Bam. Now they got Rozier doing whatever he wants.

I think they're trading Butler by the deadline. Pat Riley was calling him out to the media. He was pissed.

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Rozier's a 6th man imo. I'm also pretty surprised he's their lead guard. Even somebody on the Derek Fisher -> George Hill spectrum of point guards with Bam and Butler doing most of the initiating would be a vast improvement. Oh wellsky. Not my problem.

Yeah, they were way better when they let Bam and Butler run the offense. Don't know why they went away from that.

[prophet_of_rage]

My favorite look of the night was Josh Hart bringing the ball up for the starters while Brunson ran his man through screens to get the ball in motion and on a wing, where he could attack quickly.

Not only did that prevent the defense from loading up on Brunson, but it helped deter Hart's defenders from sagging all the way to the paint.

Deuce also moved Brunson off ball for a few plays, so I think/hope that's going to become a more common strategy.

I was saying to do this with Buzz. Give Josh the ball and put him in the Randle role. It's bettwr to get Jalen off the ball because he wants to shoot it.

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[3toheadmelo]

yeah but we speaking on bam overall for the season so far. it’s early but he just looks disengaged and a shell of the all star center he’s established himself as in recent years

Rozier doesn't know how to play with him. He hijacks the offense and basically forces Bam to be the 4th option.

The game's also evolving, while he hasn't.

He's always going to be a great defender against most teams, aside from the league's two giants (Embiid and Jokic).

But the league's drifting away from the midrange and it's still his bread and butter.

He needs to extend his range to 3-point territory or develop a post-up game. I have very little faith in the latter, but he has shooting touch and he needs to adapt.

The league's becoming unforgiving to midrange scorers unless they're uber-efficient, which he's not. That's why his league-adjusted scoring efficiency has been trending downwards for the last 3 seasons, even dropping to below league-average. He needs to adapt as the league evolves.

I disagree highly. When they let Bam do his thing, they went to the finals twice. Now he's mainly doing hand offs and standing in a corner and taking 3's (which is what the "modern" nba wants you to do") and it made them a much worse team. They went away from what made them so good as a team. You're just wasting Bam's talent with the new role he's in. They're trying to copy other teams and it isn't working.

[3toheadmelo]

It was really nice to see bounce back after a really frustrating game against the Cavs. I'll try to be more patient with KAT

Welcome fellow homer!

Lets get that chip!

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[Tomato Sauce]

Nice to see Brunson distribute more. He still took a few bad shots, made a few of those bad shots. But imagine if he set up Kat a few more times. Kat would haves had 50+ and JB 10-15 assists.

JB needs to understand his role has to be different this year with this roster.

[whocares1]

Nice to see Brunson distribute more. He still took a few bad shots, made a few of those bad shots. But imagine if he set up Kat a few more times. Kat would haves had 50+ and JB 10-15 assists.

JB needs to understand his role has to be different this year with this roster.

His role isn’t to be Kat’s personal assistant. Brunson is a scoring guard first, and he’s still the go to guy down the stretch so he should in fact be looking for his shot as well.

[Tomato Sauce]

Nice to see Brunson distribute more. He still took a few bad shots, made a few of those bad shots. But imagine if he set up Kat a few more times. Kat would haves had 50+ and JB 10-15 assists.

JB needs to understand his role has to be different this year with this roster.

His role isn’t to be Kat’s personal assistant. Brunson is a scoring guard first, and he’s still the go to guy down the stretch so he should in fact be looking for his shot as well.

Yes…that is exactly what his role should be.

[Fat Kat]

KAT is amazing. This may not be a popular take but we might have to consider making him our first option in offense. We cannot afford to waste such an efficient talent such as him.

Im open to exploring it since this part of the season seems really experimental anyways. Was nice to see KAT his some middies today.

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[Chanel Bomber]

Rozier doesn't know how to play with him. He hijacks the offense and basically forces Bam to be the 4th option.

The game's also evolving, while he hasn't.

He's always going to be a great defender against most teams, aside from the league's two giants (Embiid and Jokic).

But the league's drifting away from the midrange and it's still his bread and butter.

He needs to extend his range to 3-point territory or develop a post-up game. I have very little faith in the latter, but he has shooting touch and he needs to adapt.

The league's becoming unforgiving to midrange scorers unless they're uber-efficient, which he's not. That's why his league-adjusted scoring efficiency has been trending downwards for the last 3 seasons, even dropping to below league-average. He needs to adapt as the league evolves.

I disagree highly. When they let Bam do his thing, they went to the finals twice. Now he's mainly doing hand offs and standing in a corner and taking 3's (which is what the "modern" nba wants you to do") and it made them a much worse team. They went away from what made them so good as a team. You're just wasting Bam's talent with the new role he's in. They're trying to copy other teams and it isn't working.

He's only attempting two 3s per game. It's really not a lot for a jumpshooter.

I think the issue with Bam is that his offensive skill set is becoming increasingly ineffective and irrelevant with how the NBA's moving.

It's not that he regressed. But the NBA's evolving at a rapid pace while his skill set is largely staying the same.

But he was never an offensive force to begin with. Good offensive player, but his impact always came mostly on defense, where he has always been stellar outside of a couple of matchups.

Bam has skill but the reality's that those midrange jumpshots have limited value nowadays, and that value is dropping every year because the efficiency landscape around him is changing.

[whocares1]

Nice to see Brunson distribute more. He still took a few bad shots, made a few of those bad shots. But imagine if he set up Kat a few more times. Kat would haves had 50+ and JB 10-15 assists.

JB needs to understand his role has to be different this year with this roster.

His role isn’t to be Kat’s personal assistant. Brunson is a scoring guard first, and he’s still the go to guy down the stretch so he should in fact be looking for his shot as well.

Yes…that is exactly what his role should be.

According to who? Tomato Sauce? His role is to score AND feed the big man. He’s not 40 year old Chris Paul or Tyus Jones or Jason Kidd.

[RHODEY]

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[SelbyCobra]

The crazy part of KAT taking threes like he does is that, when he hits them it still feels like a "bonus from the center" or a huge shot of some sort, and it's decidedly not. KAT isn't just a "great shooter for a big man", he a great shooter - no qualifiers. I think it's going to take me a good while to fully adjust to the fact that we're not talking a about a 7 footer who can shoot, were talking about a shooter who happens to be 7 foot.

Just last year KAT shot 41.6% from three! We're talking a higher percentage than Durant, PG, Kyrie, and Steph. And this isn't a guy like Porzingis or Horford on the Celtics who is fed threes as a stretch outlet for the big scorers, this guy IS one of the big scorers, too.

I can know all of this intellectually and still be conditioned so deeply to not accept that kind of shooting ability from a big man. And yet here we are with 20+ PPG scoring bigman who is also unquestionably a true sniper.

[F N 11]

Let’s keep it going with the great team effeciency.

[Tomato Sauce]

According to who? Tomato Sauce? His role is to score AND feed the big man. He’s not 40 year old Chris Paul or Tyus Jones or Jason Kidd.

No reason to continue this conversation. You don’t see the game of basketball the same way as i do. Nobody is saying for him to play like that.

I do want to see him to try and create more for his teammates by using his scoring ability and quickness to do so. And then score when the defense is playing off him since passing more would give him more space to score.

But if he is in the game same time as KaT, I want to see him playing the two man game with KAT 90% of the time we have the ball.

[KnixinSix]

The crazy part of KAT taking threes like he does is that, when he hits them it still feels like a "bonus from the center" or a huge shot of some sort, and it's decidedly not. KAT isn't just a "great shooter for a big man", he a great shooter - no qualifiers. I think it's going to take me a good while to fully adjust to the fact that we're not talking a about a 7 footer who can shoot, were talking about a shooter who happens to be 7 foot.

Just last year KAT shot 41.6% from three! We're talking a higher percentage than Durant, PG, Kyrie, and Steph. And this isn't a guy like Porzingis or Horford on the Celtics who is fed threes as a stretch outlet for the big scorers, this guy IS one of the big scorers, too.

I can know all of this intellectually and still be conditioned so deeply to not accept that kind of shooting ability from a big man. And yet here we are with 20+ PPG scoring bigman who is also unquestionably a true sniper.

The key with Towns is to get him in a structured system that truly maximizes him offensively and minimizes his defensive deficiencies. Finch came the closest to doing that last year. Thibs now has to come up with a structure in his system that does more or less the same.

[WargamesX]

Nice to see Brunson distribute more. He still took a few bad shots, made a few of those bad shots. But imagine if he set up Kat a few more times. Kat would haves had 50+ and JB 10-15 assists.

JB needs to understand his role has to be different this year with this roster.

His role isn’t to be Kat’s personal assistant. Brunson is a scoring guard first, and he’s still the go to guy down the stretch so he should in fact be looking for his shot as well.

Depends on the matchup.

[KnixinSix]

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Another good breakdown of defenses teams have employed vs Knicks