NFC East

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Who will win the division next season?

Commanders
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Cowboys
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Eagles
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Re: NFC East 

Post#2821 » by Jaydubb » Sat Nov 2, 2024 9:45 pm

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Mr B wrote:I know I personally thought that if there was any year they were going to go deep in the playoffs that last year would be it. For most of the season we all thought it might be their year. Obviously the run defense failed them in the playoffs and Dak failed them in the playoffs.

For anyone that says they didn’t think they had a good shot last season is lying. It was the last time I ever drink the cool aid while Dak is the QB of the team and Jerry is the owner. Of course I reserve the right to have a helping of crow if they were to actually win the SB.

Dak has just always put up empty stats. When the game is on the line and a play needs to be made, he just doesn’t come through enough. But to be fair, most QBs probably aren’t it either. The problem with having a guy like dak is he needs a ton of support around him to succeed, so giving him ginormous contracts just kinda cripple the franchise and put a lot more stress on the drafting.

I think the cowboys struck gold getting this guy with a mid round pick, but the window was those first 4 years when he was still on his rookie contract, maybe the next couple as well depending on how the contracts are structured.

This last 2 playoff games against the Niners did it for me. I understand that the defense failed them but Dak did not play well at all. He showed a lot of “lack of poise”. I don’t know if Dak was exhausted (even though it was early in the game) or if he just folded under the pressure of the moment. Either way it was not good and not what you want to see from your franchise QB. It reminded me of Donovan McNabb’s performance in the SB.

Looking back at Dak’s career he does get a ton of empty stats. He’s either putting up huge numbers against bad teams or he’s putting up big numbers after a team has gone into its prevent defense.

Not good because mcnabb was literally drunk in the Super Bowl.lol
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Re: NFC East 

Post#2822 » by Jaydubb » Sat Nov 2, 2024 10:02 pm

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Jaydubb wrote:I’ve said this before but personally, I think unless you have a Patrick mahomes or josh Allen type of QB, you trade your qb at the end of his rookie contract and start over. You will probably get a few 1sts, combine that with your own and go get another QB that you like in the draft. But that is such a risky move that no GM would ever do it.

This is what also drives Cowboys fans (the ones I know personally) nuts. What you’re saying is 100% true. The Cowboys are a team that has decided to build their team strictly through the draft. They refuse to sign high dollar free agents. The only free agents they sign are minimum dollar guys that are plug holes. Occasionally they may trade for a guy. What drives us nuts is that they also refuse to trade their elite guys even if it makes sense.

They backed themselves into a corner with Dak so they couldn’t trade him. They can trade Micah Parsons though. A guy with his skill could easily bring back two 1st round picks. For a team that prefers to build through the draft having those picks would really help. They won’t do it though. Instead they will likely make Micah Parsons the highest paid non-QB ever. Before they pay him though they wait until his price has been driven up as high as possible.

I believed for a very long time that Micah is one of those guys that you build around and don’t trade but I’m starting to think it might be best to get what you can out of trading him. Problem is they already paid dak so they should be in “add to this group” mode not in “let’s blow it all up and build for the future” mode. Trading Micah means also trade dak in my opinion. Shouldn’t do either if you aren’t in “build for the future” mode. Trading only one of them is pointless because I think it handicaps the other side of the football too much that you guys will just be a mid team for a while (6-8 win seasons) so not bad enough for a good pick and not good enough for the playoffs.

So the cowboys might be headed to a crossroads very soon and they need to make a decision. Dak is still very tradeable in my opinion. If the Seahawks can get that return for stanky ass Russell Wilson than the cowboys can still get a lot for dak. I think the cowboys should seriously consider blowing it up, but I’m not sure that sounds good to 82 year old Jerry jones.
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Re: NFC East 

Post#2823 » by Jaydubb » Sat Nov 2, 2024 10:04 pm

Mr B wrote:And the hits just keep on coming…

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Re: NFC East 

Post#2824 » by Cactus Jack » Sun Nov 3, 2024 12:17 am

Jaydubb wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Jaydubb wrote:I’ve said this before but personally, I think unless you have a Patrick mahomes or josh Allen type of QB, you trade your qb at the end of his rookie contract and start over. You will probably get a few 1sts, combine that with your own and go get another QB that you like in the draft. But that is such a risky move that no GM would ever do it.

This is what also drives Cowboys fans (the ones I know personally) nuts. What you’re saying is 100% true. The Cowboys are a team that has decided to build their team strictly through the draft. They refuse to sign high dollar free agents. The only free agents they sign are minimum dollar guys that are plug holes. Occasionally they may trade for a guy. What drives us nuts is that they also refuse to trade their elite guys even if it makes sense.

They backed themselves into a corner with Dak so they couldn’t trade him. They can trade Micah Parsons though. A guy with his skill could easily bring back two 1st round picks. For a team that prefers to build through the draft having those picks would really help. They won’t do it though. Instead they will likely make Micah Parsons the highest paid non-QB ever. Before they pay him though they wait until his price has been driven up as high as possible.

So the cowboys might be headed to a crossroads very soon and they need to make a decision.

Spoiler: They made it.
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Re: NFC East 

Post#2825 » by Mr B » Sun Nov 3, 2024 3:48 am

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Mr B wrote:And the hits just keep on coming…

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Disciplinary reasons? Did he beat the **** out of his girlfriend again?

They haven’t said why yet. All they’ve said is that this is something that has been building and that it was best if he’s away from the team. He had been complaining about the number of carries he was getting and how they’re using him. He probably called out McCarthy.
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Re: NFC East 

Post#2826 » by Mr B » Sun Nov 3, 2024 5:09 am

Jaydubb wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Jaydubb wrote:I’ve said this before but personally, I think unless you have a Patrick mahomes or josh Allen type of QB, you trade your qb at the end of his rookie contract and start over. You will probably get a few 1sts, combine that with your own and go get another QB that you like in the draft. But that is such a risky move that no GM would ever do it.

This is what also drives Cowboys fans (the ones I know personally) nuts. What you’re saying is 100% true. The Cowboys are a team that has decided to build their team strictly through the draft. They refuse to sign high dollar free agents. The only free agents they sign are minimum dollar guys that are plug holes. Occasionally they may trade for a guy. What drives us nuts is that they also refuse to trade their elite guys even if it makes sense.

They backed themselves into a corner with Dak so they couldn’t trade him. They can trade Micah Parsons though. A guy with his skill could easily bring back two 1st round picks. For a team that prefers to build through the draft having those picks would really help. They won’t do it though. Instead they will likely make Micah Parsons the highest paid non-QB ever. Before they pay him though they wait until his price has been driven up as high as possible.

I believed for a very long time that Micah is one of those guys that you build around and don’t trade but I’m starting to think it might be best to get what you can out of trading him. Problem is they already paid dak so they should be in “add to this group” mode not in “let’s blow it all up and build for the future” mode. Trading Micah means also trade dak in my opinion. Shouldn’t do either if you aren’t in “build for the future” mode. Trading only one of them is pointless because I think it handicaps the other side of the football too much that you guys will just be a mid team for a while (6-8 win seasons) so not bad enough for a good pick and not good enough for the playoffs.

So the cowboys might be headed to a crossroads very soon and they need to make a decision. Dak is still very tradeable in my opinion. If the Seahawks can get that return for stanky ass Russell Wilson than the cowboys can still get a lot for dak. I think the cowboys should seriously consider blowing it up, but I’m not sure that sounds good to 82 year old Jerry jones.

I really think they are married to Dak. He still has the no trade clause and no tag clause in his contract. I really think they are going to try to “retool” the team around Dak and CeeDee. They are just going to keep doing what they’ve been doing. They are terrible at running the ball this year and Jerry has been catching all kinds of hell for not signing Derrick Henry so I really think they are going to draft a RB in the 1st round. Jerry will over correct and draft a RB way too high.

They will make McCarthy the scapegoat and bring in a new HC and new DC/OC and everything will be the same. The Jones’ will keep on Jonesing and the Cowboys will be forever stuck in this cycle of mediocrity until Jerry and his son out of the picture. Cowboys fans know what Raiders fans have been going through.
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Re: NFC East 

Post#2827 » by bluejerseyjinx » Sun Nov 3, 2024 11:05 am

Jaydubb wrote:
Mr B wrote:
Jaydubb wrote:I’ve said this before but personally, I think unless you have a Patrick mahomes or josh Allen type of QB, you trade your qb at the end of his rookie contract and start over. You will probably get a few 1sts, combine that with your own and go get another QB that you like in the draft. But that is such a risky move that no GM would ever do it.

This is what also drives Cowboys fans (the ones I know personally) nuts. What you’re saying is 100% true. The Cowboys are a team that has decided to build their team strictly through the draft. They refuse to sign high dollar free agents. The only free agents they sign are minimum dollar guys that are plug holes. Occasionally they may trade for a guy. What drives us nuts is that they also refuse to trade their elite guys even if it makes sense.

They backed themselves into a corner with Dak so they couldn’t trade him. They can trade Micah Parsons though. A guy with his skill could easily bring back two 1st round picks. For a team that prefers to build through the draft having those picks would really help. They won’t do it though. Instead they will likely make Micah Parsons the highest paid non-QB ever. Before they pay him though they wait until his price has been driven up as high as possible.

I believed for a very long time that Micah is one of those guys that you build around and don’t trade but I’m starting to think it might be best to get what you can out of trading him. Problem is they already paid dak so they should be in “add to this group” mode not in “let’s blow it all up and build for the future” mode. Trading Micah means also trade dak in my opinion. Shouldn’t do either if you aren’t in “build for the future” mode. Trading only one of them is pointless because I think it handicaps the other side of the football too much that you guys will just be a mid team for a while (6-8 win seasons) so not bad enough for a good pick and not good enough for the playoffs.

So the cowboys might be headed to a crossroads very soon and they need to make a decision. Dak is still very tradeable in my opinion. If the Seahawks can get that return for stanky ass Russell Wilson than the cowboys can still get a lot for dak. I think the cowboys should seriously consider blowing it up, but I’m not sure that sounds good to 82 year old Jerry jones.

I think I'm going to pass out. I actually agree with you 100%. :bowdown: :pray:
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Re: NFC East 

Post#2828 » by bluejerseyjinx » Sun Nov 3, 2024 11:12 am

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Jaydubb wrote:
Mr B wrote:This is what also drives Cowboys fans (the ones I know personally) nuts. What you’re saying is 100% true. The Cowboys are a team that has decided to build their team strictly through the draft. They refuse to sign high dollar free agents. The only free agents they sign are minimum dollar guys that are plug holes. Occasionally they may trade for a guy. What drives us nuts is that they also refuse to trade their elite guys even if it makes sense.

They backed themselves into a corner with Dak so they couldn’t trade him. They can trade Micah Parsons though. A guy with his skill could easily bring back two 1st round picks. For a team that prefers to build through the draft having those picks would really help. They won’t do it though. Instead they will likely make Micah Parsons the highest paid non-QB ever. Before they pay him though they wait until his price has been driven up as high as possible.

So the cowboys might be headed to a crossroads very soon and they need to make a decision.

Spoiler: They made it.

Starting back in February. Saw it all coming back then. Jerry never disappoints once you get used to his game.
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Re: NFC East 

Post#2829 » by QB_Eagles » Sun Nov 3, 2024 11:13 am

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Jaydubb wrote:So the cowboys might be headed to a crossroads very soon and they need to make a decision.

Spoiler: They made it.

Starting back in February. Saw it all coming back then. Jerry never disappoints once you get used to his game.

Yes, in February.

In January the feeling was still different.
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Post#2830 » by bluejerseyjinx » Sun Nov 3, 2024 11:19 am

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Spoiler: They made it.

Starting back in February. Saw it all coming back then. Jerry never disappoints once you get used to his game.

Yes, in February.

In January the feeling was still different.

I was way over due for a bikini wax, what can I say. :eyebrows:
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Re: NFC East 

Post#2831 » by Mr B » Sun Nov 3, 2024 12:05 pm

More info on Zeke. This what I thought happened. He still thinks he’s a primary RB.

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Re: NFC East 

Post#2832 » by Mr B » Sun Nov 3, 2024 3:28 pm

And the actual reason Zeke was a healthy scratch from the game. I expect they will cut him soon. Personally I’d just send him home for the rest of the season. Don’t even give him a chance to sign with another team.

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Re: NFC East 

Post#2833 » by QB_Eagles » Sun Nov 3, 2024 6:07 pm

Too bad they didn't have the money to sign Derrick Henry.
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Re: NFC East 

Post#2834 » by Mr B » Sun Nov 3, 2024 6:32 pm

QB_Eagles wrote:Too bad they didn't have the money to sign Derrick Henry.

Yup, I mean it’s not like Jerry is making billions.
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Re: NFC East 

Post#2835 » by Mr B » Mon Nov 4, 2024 1:35 pm

Looks like Jerry is getting ready to **** up again and trade away assets to try and save this season. Huge over correction coming Cowboys fans. Hang on tight this ride is going to be bumpy.

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Re: NFC East 

Post#2836 » by Jaydubb » Mon Nov 4, 2024 1:37 pm

Mr B wrote:Looks like Jerry is getting ready to **** up again and trade away assets to try and save this season. Huge over correction coming Cowboys fans. Hang on tight this ride is going to be bumpy.

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Sounds like he’s all in again
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Re: NFC East 

Post#2837 » by Jaydubb » Mon Nov 4, 2024 1:53 pm

QB_Eagles wrote:Too bad they didn't have the money to sign Derrick Henry.

Dallas would be so different if they signed him. He’s looking like arguably the best free agent signing this year. Saquon has to be close behind
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Post#2838 » by Jaydubb » Mon Nov 4, 2024 1:54 pm

By the way, speaking of free agent signings, how about Bryce huff? Holy **** **** this guy sucks! Might be the worst free agent signing for the eagles since nnamdi asamough!
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Re: NFC East 

Post#2839 » by Mariner » Mon Nov 4, 2024 2:50 pm

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QB_Eagles wrote:Too bad they didn't have the money to sign Derrick Henry.

Dallas would be so different if they signed him. He’s looking like arguably the best free agent signing this year. Saquon has to be close behind

Most teams missed on Henry. Most were worried about his age.
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Re: NFC East 

Post#2840 » by Mariner » Mon Nov 4, 2024 2:52 pm

Mr B wrote:Looks like Jerry is getting ready to **** up again and trade away assets to try and save this season. Huge over correction coming Cowboys fans. Hang on tight this ride is going to be bumpy.

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They were 3 and 5 when they traded their first for Cooper. It kind of worked.
I hope he’s not trying to repeat that. We should be sellers.

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