2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

[76erPhan]

I don't know if it's wishful thinking but I think Randle could drop to 10.

Cavs - Embiid
Bucks - Parker
Sixers - Wiggins
Magic - Exum
Jazz - Vonleh
Celtics - Gordon
Lakers - Smart
Kings - Payton
Hornets - Staukaus
Sixers - Randle

I can easily see the top 7 going exactly like that. I don't think the Kings or the Hornets will take Randle because of fit. Cousins-Randle won't work and Jefferson-Randle won't work either plus they drafted Zeller last year. But it is possible they could take the BPA or trade. And if they are willing to trade, I would also be willing to give up Young and 10 to move up to get Randle.


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[OleSchool]

Now I'm thinking the over/under on Hinkie's draft day trades should be around five...

Ill take the over

Hinkies going to make 5 trades by the 7th pick in the 2nd round

And I will set the over/under for 1st round picks made by the Sixers at 3.5 -- good chance Hinkie packages 2nd's + cash to move into the 1st, and perhaps packages them to move up further... Or does something like the rumored Chicago deal

3.5?? thats tough. If a trade with Chi goes down and we get both 16 and 19 is that considered 1 trade or 2? If you're counting it as 1 then Ill take the under

[M3]

I don't know if it's wishful thinking but I think Randle could drop to 10.

Cavs - Embiid
Bucks - Parker
Sixers - Wiggins
Magic - Exum
Jazz - Vonleh
Celtics - Gordon
Lakers - Smart
Kings - Payton
Hornets - Staukaus
Sixers - Randle

I can easily see the top 7 going exactly like that. I don't think the Kings or the Hornets will take Randle because of fit. Cousins-Randle won't work and Jefferson-Randle won't work either plus they drafted Zeller last year. But it is possible they could take the BPA.

I would love that scenario, only thing is the Lakers or Kings will more than likely trade their pick and Randle will be taken by the team moving up.


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[ankle420breaker]

I don't know if it's wishful thinking but I think Randle could drop to 10.

Cavs - Embiid
Bucks - Parker
Sixers - Wiggins
Magic - Exum
Jazz - Vonleh
Celtics - Gordon
Lakers - Smart
Kings - Payton
Hornets - Staukaus
Sixers - Randle

I can easily see the top 7 going exactly like that. I don't think the Kings or the Hornets will take Randle because of fit. Cousins-Randle won't work and Jefferson-Randle won't work either plus they drafted Zeller last year. But it is possible they could take the BPA or trade. And if they are willing to trade, I would also be willing to give up Young and 10 to move up to get Randle.


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I'd say there's a slim possibility that Randle falls to 10, but I'd be shocked if Payton is a top 8 selection.

[freshie2]

Can Randle defend the 3? Just thinking if Embiid and Randle fall to the Sixers, can you play him at the three in spurts?? Probably not quite quick enough.

[Mik317]

Payton has apparently been lighting it up in workouts

[wickedwrister]

I would worry about fit another day. If Gordon or Randle drop to 10 just take them and figure the rest out later.

[LloydFree]

I don't know if it's wishful thinking but I think Randle could drop to 10.

Cavs - Embiid
Bucks - Parker
Sixers - Wiggins
Magic - Exum
Jazz - Vonleh
Celtics - Gordon
Lakers - Smart
Kings - Payton
Hornets - Staukaus
Sixers - Randle

I can easily see the top 7 going exactly like that. I don't think the Kings or the Hornets will take Randle because of fit. Cousins-Randle won't work and Jefferson-Randle won't work either plus they drafted Zeller last year. But it is possible they could take the BPA or trade. And if they are willing to trade, I would also be willing to give up Young and 10 to move up to get Randle.

To be honest with you, that's pretty much how I expect the draft to fall, IF there are no trades. But I believe that Boston and Sacramento will trade their picks.
I'm not big on Randle, so I'm kinda 'MEH' on him at #10, but if they pick him there I can understand the pick. I don't like Randle's fit with Noel. Randle can't score on length in the low post and Noel isn't a low post player. On defense, Randle can't guard a center, so Noel will have to body Centers full-time. I just don't see Randle as a good fit or an above average pro.

[agiaco]

What do you guys think about the rumor of Hinkie wanting to move up with the second pick? Does he have his sights set on both Wiggins and Exum? I have a feeling draft day will be very active.

[Mik317]

Hinkie finds a way to get Wiggins and Exum and I am building him 5 statues.

[76ciology]

What do you guys think about the rumor of Hinkie wanting to move up with the second pick? Does he have his sights set on both Wiggins and Exum? I have a feeling draft day will be very active.

Do you mean trading up from 3rd to 2nd? Because I can see that happening. Specially if Embiid or Wiggins would be off the board by the time we do our selection. Who knows? Maybe the Bucks are bluffing that they are going to take Wiggins so they can get the 10th pick from us.

I don't really put much value with the 10th pick. I think we should just put ourselves in a really good position to get a franchise player by trading up. And I think trading up from 3rd to 2nd has a higher chance for success for that goal rather than have the 3rd and 10th pick.

[Foshan]

I disagree, and stay put at 3.

There is a pretty solid argument for which of the three prospects has the better career, and we are a lock to get one. I just think we take the guy who is there (Cavs and Mil both are not good drafting teams, imo), and then build around that guy.

For example. We land Parker. We take a guy like LaVine at 10 who is an out of this world athlete, and good shooter. That is pretty much the perfect type of guy to put between MCW&Parker. You could keep Thad as he could play next to Parker IMO or you move him and take a big PF with defensive potential or a super long SF to let Parker play at 4.

I just think we roll with it.

[Agnostifarian]

I disagree, and stay put at 3.

There is a pretty solid argument for which of the three prospects has the better career, and we are a lock to get one. I just think we take the guy who is there (Cavs and Mil both are not good drafting teams, imo), and then build around that guy.

For example. We land Parker. We take a guy like LaVine at 10 who is an out of this world athlete, and good shooter. That is pretty much the perfect type of guy to put between MCW&Parker. You could keep Thad as he could play next to Parker IMO or you move him and take a big PF with defensive potential or a super long SF to let Parker play at 4.

I just think we roll with it.

I completely agree that we can pick whoever is left at #3 (Hinkie's bpa) and at #10, I'd use "fit" as a tie breaker between bpa using logic that says the "core" is MCW, Noel, #3 draft pick and #10 can be a complimentary player. A super high upside pick like LaVine or Gordon could fit the bill as athletes while a Stauskas, McDermott, Payne selection might offer more immediate benefits on the court.

IMO, the best chance for the 76ers to acquire a THIRD LOTTERY PICK in this draft is by using a package of MCW/Thad/2nd rounders to get in the #6 - #8 range. I only see this scenario playing out if Hinkie is targeting Exum, Smart or Vonleh in that range.

It is super freakin' cool that Hinkie has the ammo to move up to #1 if his due diligence on Embiid suggests his health warrants such a move! However, barring some miracle in the FA market this summer, we're going to be back in the lottery again next year and there is a banner crop of big men. So, to Foshan's point, Hinkie can roll with it at three.

As an aside, I don't watch a ton of west coast hoop so I am just now appreciating the ball movement by SAS. Also, during a period when I have been focusing on verticals and 3/4 court sprint times, etc., I can't help but notice how much of the SAS offense is below the rim. Parker has exceptional speed but isn't the athlete of several years ago. Kawhi is very athletic but is more "freakish" in his strength and length. They get it done as a team. They've got a system. Parker, Ginobli and Duncan -- together for a decade; that's the kind of continuity we're going to need for a dynasty.

[51X3RF4N]

I don't know if it's wishful thinking but I think Randle could drop to 10.

Cavs - Embiid
Bucks - Parker
Sixers - Wiggins
Magic - Exum
Jazz - Vonleh
Celtics - Gordon
Lakers - Smart
Kings - Payton
Hornets - Staukaus
Sixers - Randle

I can easily see the top 7 going exactly like that. I don't think the Kings or the Hornets will take Randle because of fit. Cousins-Randle won't work and Jefferson-Randle won't work either plus they drafted Zeller last year. But it is possible they could take the BPA or trade. And if they are willing to trade, I would also be willing to give up Young and 10 to move up to get Randle.


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If that scenario played out, I might consider taking LaVine at 10 instead of Randle. If for no other reason than the absolute redonkulousness of having LaVine and Wiggins filling the wings on the fast break for MCW. I would love to see the 2 of them jumping through the roof every night. Lol

[Skates]

Saric seems to be have joined the top eight (Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Exum, Vonleh, Smart, Randle and Gordon) to form a top 9. At least one, sometimes two, guys rise fast during workouts and/or teams simply fall in love with a player at a position of need, so I think one of those nine will drop to us at ten. The most likely to slip to ten are Saric, Gordon and Randle, as I don't see Vonleh or Smart slipping that far. Payton is rising fast (Sacto?), Stauskas can provide immediate shooting to a team like Charlotte that needs it. Someone will slide just a bit, and if Hinkie likes them then we can stay righ where we are and use our other assets to grab current or future picks elsewhere.

I am liking 3 and 10 very much. Would not trade three and would really only trade up for Vonleh.

[OleSchool]

I disagree, and stay put at 3.

There is a pretty solid argument for which of the three prospects has the better career, and we are a lock to get one. I just think we take the guy who is there (Cavs and Mil both are not good drafting teams, imo), and then build around that guy.

For example. We land Parker. We take a guy like LaVine at 10 who is an out of this world athlete, and good shooter. That is pretty much the perfect type of guy to put between MCW&Parker. You could keep Thad as he could play next to Parker IMO or you move him and take a big PF with defensive potential or a super long SF to let Parker play at 4.

I just think we roll with it.

Completely agree, even though there is not a guy I'm in love with at 10. I would rather have 3 and 10 then move to 2.

I really don't think the Bucks will take Wiggins. They would either go Embiid, Parker, or Exum before Wiggins.

Everything Ive seen (Bucks board) says the Bucks love Giaans and him and Wiggins would be redundant.

[HankTheTank]

Yep, have to have confidence Hinkie will not get played here and needlessly move up. It just feels like Wiggins will fall to us. And personally, I'd be happy with any of the 3 if we sit tight.

[James40]

I disagree, and stay put at 3.

There is a pretty solid argument for which of the three prospects has the better career, and we are a lock to get one. I just think we take the guy who is there (Cavs and Mil both are not good drafting teams, imo), and then build around that guy.

For example. We land Parker. We take a guy like LaVine at 10 who is an out of this world athlete, and good shooter. That is pretty much the perfect type of guy to put between MCW&Parker. You could keep Thad as he could play next to Parker IMO or you move him and take a big PF with defensive potential or a super long SF to let Parker play at 4.

I just think we roll with it.

I completely agree that we can pick whoever is left at #3 (Hinkie's bpa) and at #10, I'd use "fit" as a tie breaker between bpa using logic that says the "core" is MCW, Noel, #3 draft pick and #10 can be a complimentary player. A super high upside pick like LaVine or Gordon could fit the bill as athletes while a Stauskas, McDermott, Payne selection might offer more immediate benefits on the court.

IMO, the best chance for the 76ers to acquire a THIRD LOTTERY PICK in this draft is by using a package of MCW/Thad/2nd rounders to get in the #6 - #8 range. I only see this scenario playing out if Hinkie is targeting Exum, Smart or Vonleh in that range.

It is super freakin' cool that Hinkie has the ammo to move up to #1 if his due diligence on Embiid suggests his health warrants such a move! However, barring some miracle in the FA market this summer, we're going to be back in the lottery again next year and there is a banner crop of big men. So, to Foshan's point, Hinkie can roll with it at three.

As an aside, I don't watch a ton of west coast hoop so I am just now appreciating the ball movement by SAS. Also, during a period when I have been focusing on verticals and 3/4 court sprint times, etc., I can't help but notice how much of the SAS offense is below the rim. Parker has exceptional speed but isn't the athlete of several years ago. Kawhi is very athletic but is more "freakish" in his strength and length. They get it done as a team. They've got a system. Parker, Ginobli and Duncan -- together for a decade; that's the kind of continuity we're going to need for a dynasty.

I love watching the Spurs and the ball flying around the court, or down to the big fundamental. Their bench is sick and year after year the core of Manu, Parker, and Duncan are there getting it done. In the era of free agency to be that good this long is crazy.

[AAKing23]

I really hate this time before the draft, it causes people's imaginations to run wild with grandiose trade scenarios. The sooner this draft comes the better.

[Arsenal]

Speaking of the Spurs and their beautiful "motion" offense, I think a catalyst for us to be that kind of team might be Dario Saric. Imagine we get Wiggins at #3 and Saric at #10:

PG Carter-Williams / Wroten
SG 3&D guy with 2nd rd pick
SF Wiggins
PF Saric / T. Young
C Noel / Moultrie

A core of MCW, Wiggins, Saric and Noel could be amazing. Just a great mix of length, athleticism, defense, ballhandling and playmaking between those guys.