Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

[nahom1319]

Actually, Kanter can play PF if he's alongside a laterally quick C like a DeMarcus Cousins or Javale McGee,where either can switch off on quicker PFs, and sort of alternate btwn PF and C. But, on the Raptors, he would have to play C unless Davis turns into Horford physically.

actually, if we get Kanter I want to develop him just like Cousins. On offense you throw it in to him in the post and let him create/pass. If he needs to face up he can do that as well (at times). On D I want him to be a very positional defender that can rotate and rebound.

Ed has the instincts to roam/stalk/wander in the paint and destroy people from the weakside.

Well, that's my vision of what I want to happen. And then we let Demar, Bayless and our 2012 SF bring the pain from the perimeter.

Let other teams deal with that ****, that's what would bring me back to being a rowdy mother **** Raps fan.

Hmmmm now if you paint the picture like that, I would be very much interested in Kanter. Its his lack of athleticism that worries me, but I'm willing to see him at the combine. As long as his numbers aren't embarrassing this picture should remain intact. If he's as slow and unathletic as I expect, well then this vision is shattered

[Silk Wilkes]

was talking about ty

So you don't think I'm crazy? I thought I was making a big time statement. Comment fail by me.

[Reignman]

One thing I want everyone to remember, Kanter is one of the youngest players in this draft class, younger than Knight even.

....and 3 months younger then he is another lottery prospect

No comprende senor (or should I say Appel?)

[RaptorReloaded]

Unless that DX article is wrong...

How much will he improve as a playmaker and leader with added maturity and experience? It's difficult to gauge precisely considering that he's just 18 years old and won't turn 19 until December, making him by far the youngest player in this draft class (and even younger than many high school seniors, such as Austin Rivers, Quincy Miller and Khem Birch).

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Fin ... z1LhF8bvWi
http://www.draftexpress.com

[CanadaB-Ball]

Actually, Kanter can play PF if he's alongside a laterally quick C like a DeMarcus Cousins or Javale McGee,where either can switch off on quicker PFs, and sort of alternate btwn PF and C. But, on the Raptors, he would have to play C unless Davis turns into Horford physically.

actually, if we get Kanter I want to develop him just like Cousins. On offense you throw it in to him in the post and let him create/pass. If he needs to face up he can do that as well (at times). On D I want him to be a very positional defender that can rotate and rebound.

Ed has the instincts to roam/stalk/wander in the paint and destroy people from the weakside.

Well, that's my vision of what I want to happen. And then we let Demar, Bayless and our 2012 SF bring the pain from the perimeter.

Let other teams deal with that ****, that's what would bring me back to being a rowdy mother **** Raps fan.

Hmmmm now if you paint the picture like that, I would be very much interested in Kanter. Its his lack of athleticism that worries me, but I'm willing to see him at the combine. As long as his numbers aren't embarrassing this picture should remain intact. If he's as slow and unathletic as I expect, well then this vision is shattered

Cousins isn't all that athletic either.

The difference is, that Cousins has a monstorous wingspan. Something that Kanter *seems* to not possess.

I like the comparison of Monroe to be honest.

Monroe is a guy who's not athletic at all, and doesn't have unbelievably long arms like Cousins, but is so skilled and smart that he just gets it done.

For me, the big thing is that Kanter measures at 6'11'' or over (in shoes of course). Anything under would be a big concern in my opinion.

[RaptorReloaded]

Knight is younger then Kanter...

[fredericklove]

actually, if we get Kanter I want to develop him just like Cousins. On offense you throw it in to him in the post and let him create/pass. If he needs to face up he can do that as well (at times). On D I want him to be a very positional defender that can rotate and rebound.

Ed has the instincts to roam/stalk/wander in the paint and destroy people from the weakside.

Well, that's my vision of what I want to happen. And then we let Demar, Bayless and our 2012 SF bring the pain from the perimeter.

Let other teams deal with that ****, that's what would bring me back to being a rowdy mother **** Raps fan.

That would be an exciting lineup to watch. Sounds like a good plan. Enes/Ed a.k.a E-duo would look amazing if they could bring pain like Z-Bo/Gasol did in the playoff. In that case, there's no need for an offensive-minded SF in '12 draft, instead a defensive-minded SF like Gilchrist, pray for him to drop to bottom-end lottery! Someone that will take on the best player from the other team.

[CanadaB-Ball]

Unless that DX article is wrong...

How much will he improve as a playmaker and leader with added maturity and experience? It's difficult to gauge precisely considering that he's just 18 years old and won't turn 19 until December, making him by far the youngest player in this draft class (and even younger than many high school seniors, such as Austin Rivers, Quincy Miller and Khem Birch).

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Fin ... z1LhF8bvWi
http://www.draftexpress.com

It's kind of an unknown actually.

Many sites have his birthday as '91 while others have '92.

For the longest time I thought he was a '91 born, but after looking it up, it seems to be rather unknown.

[nahom1319]

what i was hinting at was Biyombo's age (and until proof is shown otherwise I'm using) puts him at about 3 months younger then Kanter.

Although to be honest I don't know what Kanter has to gain by being among the youngest prospects. Its not like he is pegged as a guy that has a ton to learn. If I'm not mistaken he is supposed to be the more BBIQ savvy player. People tend to state the excuse of being young when a player has a very high ceiling and to the best of my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong), Kanter is seen as a a high floor mid ceiling type of guy. Whether he is 18 or 20 isn't going to make a hell of alot of difference.

[CanadaB-Ball]

what i was hinting at was Biyombo's age (and until proof is shown otherwise I'm using) puts him at about 3 months younger then Kanter.

Although to be honest I don't know what Kanter has to gain by being among the youngest prospects. Its not like he is pegged as a guy that has a ton to learn. If I'm not mistaken he is supposed to be the more BBIQ savvy player. People tend to state the excuse of being young when a player has a very high ceiling and to the best of my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong), Kanter is seen as a a high floor mid ceiling type of guy. Whether he is 18 or 20 isn't going to make a hell of alot of difference.

This is very true.

I think what he was trying to say was that maybe Kanter has some hidden potential that may be developed over time, in which case his birthday would have a purpose. I'm not really sure though.

[Silk Wilkes]

what i was hinting at was Biyombo's age (and until proof is shown otherwise I'm using) puts him at about 3 months younger then Kanter.

Although to be honest I don't know what Kanter has to gain by being among the youngest prospects. Its not like he is pegged as a guy that has a ton to learn. If I'm not mistaken he is supposed to be the more BBIQ savvy player. People tend to state the excuse of being young when a player has a very high ceiling and to the best of my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong), Kanter is seen as a a high floor mid ceiling type of guy. Whether he is 18 or 20 isn't going to make a hell of alot of difference.

This is very true.

I think what he was trying to say was that maybe Kanter has some hidden potential that may be developed over time, in which case his birthday would have a purpose. I'm not really sure though.

The thing is, being that developed at such a young age speaks volumes to his work ethic and talent. People project his ceiling to not be as high as others but that's probably because of the fact he's so developed already. No one knows for sure, but I think he's winning ROY like I said earlier.

[CanadaB-Ball]

what i was hinting at was Biyombo's age (and until proof is shown otherwise I'm using) puts him at about 3 months younger then Kanter.

Although to be honest I don't know what Kanter has to gain by being among the youngest prospects. Its not like he is pegged as a guy that has a ton to learn. If I'm not mistaken he is supposed to be the more BBIQ savvy player. People tend to state the excuse of being young when a player has a very high ceiling and to the best of my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong), Kanter is seen as a a high floor mid ceiling type of guy. Whether he is 18 or 20 isn't going to make a hell of alot of difference.

This is very true.

I think what he was trying to say was that maybe Kanter has some hidden potential that may be developed over time, in which case his birthday would have a purpose. I'm not really sure though.

The thing is, being that developed at such a young age speaks volumes to his work ethic and talent. People project his ceiling to not be as high as others but that's probably because of the fact he's so developed already. No one knows for sure, but I think he's winning ROY like I said earlier.

Very true.

I could see Kanter winning the ROY (if there is a next year), although right now I think Williams will.

Of course, a lot can happen, so we'll just have to wait and see.

[Reignman]

Knight is younger then Kanter...

I don't know Knight's age but I'm guessing Coach Cal knows what the **** he's talking about because that's exactly what he said in the video I posted.

[Reignman]

what i was hinting at was Biyombo's age (and until proof is shown otherwise I'm using) puts him at about 3 months younger then Kanter.

Although to be honest I don't know what Kanter has to gain by being among the youngest prospects. Its not like he is pegged as a guy that has a ton to learn. If I'm not mistaken he is supposed to be the more BBIQ savvy player. People tend to state the excuse of being young when a player has a very high ceiling and to the best of my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong), Kanter is seen as a a high floor mid ceiling type of guy. Whether he is 18 or 20 isn't going to make a hell of alot of difference.

I've never seen a young player not improve by putting in work, I don't care how advanced they are when they get into the league.

Hell, TD was a senior at Wake when he came out and definitely as "advanced" as they get and he still improved over the years.

[5DOM]

what i was hinting at was Biyombo's age (and until proof is shown otherwise I'm using) puts him at about 3 months younger then Kanter.

Although to be honest I don't know what Kanter has to gain by being among the youngest prospects. Its not like he is pegged as a guy that has a ton to learn. If I'm not mistaken he is supposed to be the more BBIQ savvy player. People tend to state the excuse of being young when a player has a very high ceiling and to the best of my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong), Kanter is seen as a a high floor mid ceiling type of guy. Whether he is 18 or 20 isn't going to make a hell of alot of difference.

I've never seen a young player not improve by putting in work, I don't care how advanced they are when they get into the league.

Hell, TD was a senior at Wake when he came out and definitely as "advanced" as they get and he still improved over the years.

TD did improve, but it wasn't that significant just because he was GREAT from the start. Similarly I think Kanter's first year will tell a lot about his career cause I don't see him making huge jumps.

[Reignman]

what i was hinting at was Biyombo's age (and until proof is shown otherwise I'm using) puts him at about 3 months younger then Kanter.

Although to be honest I don't know what Kanter has to gain by being among the youngest prospects. Its not like he is pegged as a guy that has a ton to learn. If I'm not mistaken he is supposed to be the more BBIQ savvy player. People tend to state the excuse of being young when a player has a very high ceiling and to the best of my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong), Kanter is seen as a a high floor mid ceiling type of guy. Whether he is 18 or 20 isn't going to make a hell of alot of difference.

I've never seen a young player not improve by putting in work, I don't care how advanced they are when they get into the league.

Hell, TD was a senior at Wake when he came out and definitely as "advanced" as they get and he still improved over the years.

TD did improve, but it wasn't that significant just because he was GREAT from the start. Similarly I think Kanter's first year will tell a lot about his career cause I don't see him making huge jumps.

I agree to a certain extent that we'll know about Kanter pretty early but not 1 year in. The kid is going to need his first year just to shake off the rust from not playing competitively for so long. I see him making an impact but not being able to handle any extended mins for 82 games.


I think by his 3rd year we'll know what type of player he'll be.

[fredericklove]

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I agree to a certain extent that we'll know about Kanter pretty early but not 1 year in. The kid is going to need his first year just to shake off the rust from not playing competitively for so long. I see him making an impact but not being able to handle any extended mins for 82 games.


I think by his 3rd year we'll know what type of player he'll be.

I think Kanter has alot of advanced moves for his age and even if those don't translate in the 1st year he'll probably get those moves polished and effective in year 2 or 3. The guy is just so gifted offensively and he has such a high bball IQ, I don't see him not having a full developed game by then plus, hope he learns to play defensive especially "positioning and footwork"

On the other hand, all BB got is his defense, his offense is raw as hell. That goes the same, I doubt he'll have an impact first year and could be a foul-prone guy that could have his minutes cut short each game, moreover he could be a long term project too when it comes to offense. Think Oden, he was known for his defense prior to nba yet his 1st year he couldn't stay in the game long enough due to being foul prone. Despite his wingspan he's still 6'9, abit undersize especially if he has to play the Centre position, its better if he plays PF and it might take him a while to have his defense plan out, I don't see his defense could translate right away in the nba in first season. Maybe two years or after 3rd year, or awhile.

[nahom1319]

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I agree to a certain extent that we'll know about Kanter pretty early but not 1 year in. The kid is going to need his first year just to shake off the rust from not playing competitively for so long. I see him making an impact but not being able to handle any extended mins for 82 games.


I think by his 3rd year we'll know what type of player he'll be.

I think Kanter has alot of advanced moves for his age and even if those don't translate in the 1st year he'll probably get those moves polished and effective in year 2 or 3. The guy is just so gifted offensively and he has such a high bball IQ, I don't see him not having a full developed game by then plus, hope he learns to play defensive especially "positioning and footwork"

On the other hand, all BB got is his defense, his offense is raw as hell. That goes the same, I doubt he'll have an impact first year and could be a foul-prone guy that could have his minutes cut short each game, moreover he could be a long term project too when it comes to offense. Think Oden, he was known for his defense prior to nba yet his 1st year he couldn't stay in the game long enough due to being foul prone. Despite his wingspan he's still 6'9, abit undersize especially if he has to play the Centre position, its better if he plays PF and it might take him a while to have his defense plan out, I don't see his defense could translate right away in the nba in first season. Maybe two years or after 3rd year, or awhile.

Bismack isn't foul prone though, and his ability to score while being limited to putbacks currently could end up being half decent. His jumpshot looks to be of good form it seems to just be a confidence issue. LOL @ All he has is his defence.....OUR TEAM HAD THE WORST DEFFENCE 2 YEARS IN A ROW. For that reason alone I have Bismack ahead of Kanter. If our roster changes before then I would have to reconsider, but as we stand now BB is #3.

[fredericklove]

Bismack isn't foul prone though, and his ability to score while being limited to putbacks currently could end up being half decent. His jumpshot looks to be of good form it seems to just be a confidence issue. LOL @ All he has is his defence.....OUR TEAM HAD THE WORST DEFFENCE 2 YEARS IN A ROW. For that reason alone I have Bismack ahead of Kanter. If our roster changes before then I would have to reconsider, but as we stand now BB is #3.

You really think he can come in by storm and dominate the league on defense in his very first season against the bigger, smarter and experienced big men, against them in the whole game without getting into foul troubles? That's nonsense. Even guys with proven defensive skills like Oden and Ibaka are still fouling toooo much in games. And LOL, being limited to putbacks is not going to end up half decent offensively. Our TEAM defense sucks, every position in the lineup sucks on defense so its not just the guy that's playing the centre sucks on defense, wanna improve on defense? Everyone should start playing defense then! As I stand now I'd take Kanter over BB any day at #3 due to the fact that Kanter could provide us something that Bargnani couldn't all those years.

[5DOM]

If you want things that Bargnani couldn't provide us all these years, wouldn't you want Biyombo? Kanter's rebounding and D are pretty much unknown to us.