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Re: Around the NBA, 2015-16 Season Thread 

Post#301 » by Paradise » Tue May 24, 2016 4:12 am

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Paradise wrote:So, who's ready for that Oklahoma City/Toronto NBA Finals? :lol:


Lebron likes to coast. If LeBron had Westbrook's drive he would be unstoppable.

I don't think he's coasting. There's some decline that I do notice. He couldn't stay in front of DeRozan and Lowry in the 4th quarter but I do agree he doesn't have the same pitbull in him compared to Westbrook or Curry.
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Post#302 » by MrDollarBills » Tue May 24, 2016 12:51 pm

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Dirk Nowitzki wrote:Draymond Green.

If you go back to that Warriors x Nets game, I posted some plays that showed the refs helped the Warriors and I always felt that in these two years, that team was playing with a different set of rules. Green in particular --- and this is why I don't value him as highly as he generally is rated --- gets away with so much on that team.

This shameful favouritism just shows that people weren't paranoid. I am honestly shocked... because I thought that the NBA would not want to face the shame of punishing a scrub one day (Jones against the Raptors) and then letting something that was worse to me (hard kick to the balls) unpunished.

I was too young to watch the 80s or even 90s basketball, but just recently I was watching the espn 30 for 30 on the bad boys and I would love to see more retaliation in the NBA. A guy like Green needs to have a target on him and be hit hard. :oops: :lol:

It would've been better if the league stuck by the ruling on the floor than give Green a flagrant-2 after the fact.

So they recognize that it was a non-basketball play but at the same time they say that the NBA players regularly flail their arms and legs?

Just come out and say "We want the best talent on the court in the playoffs". Don't just makeup a statement to excuse a play that was worse than what Jones did the night before.


If Steven Adams had kicked Steph Curry in the balls, he'd be suspended. the NBA doesn't even try to hide the fact that they need GS in the finals for their ratings.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2015-16 Season Thread 

Post#303 » by CalamityX12 » Tue May 24, 2016 1:22 pm

I wanted Lowry back when we were making Dwill trade scenarios...

I wanted DeRozan....

I even mention about bringing on Biyombo to backup Lopez before the season started....

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Re: Around the NBA, 2015-16 Season Thread 

Post#304 » by Ror1997 » Tue May 24, 2016 5:10 pm

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Ror1997 wrote:If the PG class was stronger this year, this wouldn't be a discussion. But because it's so weak, Rondo is going to seem attractive in comparison.

I think you guys are missing the point though if you think Marks and Atkinson would target Rondo in F/A. They've made it clear the types of guys they're going to target, and Rondo simply doesn't fit the bill. You can convince yourself that they will and thats fine I guess. Just don't get your hopes up, and don't flip out on Marks for not signing Rondo, because they haven't hinted towards having interest in Rondo...they haven't even said anything to make you even remotely think they will have interest in Rondo.


They havent said anything about anyone, that would be tampering. It doesnt stop people from talking about other players, why would it preclude us from talking about Rondo?


If you actually read my post, I very clearly state that Marks/Atkinson havent hinted at having interest in a player like Rondo. They also talked about a patient rebuild, So Rondo coming here is just not a fit for any party involved. Marks isn't going to consider him, He more than likely won't consider us...

The answer is and has always been right infront of us. Nothing can be argued in his favor that is going to change that simple fact.

Plus I can allready see you destroying Marks the second news comes out the Nets have no interest in Rondo. All I'm saying, is don't keep telling yourself that Rondo is that man for the job when it's been made clear from the beginning he isn't. Don't blame Marks for the disappointment you're bringing on yourself.
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Post#305 » by Net Sentence » Wed May 25, 2016 12:10 am

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Ror1997 wrote:If the PG class was stronger this year, this wouldn't be a discussion. But because it's so weak, Rondo is going to seem attractive in comparison.

I think you guys are missing the point though if you think Marks and Atkinson would target Rondo in F/A. They've made it clear the types of guys they're going to target, and Rondo simply doesn't fit the bill. You can convince yourself that they will and thats fine I guess. Just don't get your hopes up, and don't flip out on Marks for not signing Rondo, because they haven't hinted towards having interest in Rondo...they haven't even said anything to make you even remotely think they will have interest in Rondo.


They havent said anything about anyone, that would be tampering. It doesnt stop people from talking about other players, why would it preclude us from talking about Rondo?


If you actually read my post, I very clearly state that Marks/Atkinson havent hinted at having interest in a player like Rondo. They also talked about a patient rebuild, So Rondo coming here is just not a fit for any party involved. Marks isn't going to consider him, He more than likely won't consider us...

The answer is and has always been right infront of us. Nothing can be argued in his favor that is going to change that simple fact.

Plus I can allready see you destroying Marks the second news comes out the Nets have no interest in Rondo. All I'm saying, is don't keep telling yourself that Rondo is that man for the job when it's been made clear from the beginning he isn't. Don't blame Marks for the disappointment you're bringing on yourself.


Marks has one job this summer, to get an NBA level starting PG. That can be accomplished by signing either Rondo or Conley. He can also trade for someone like Bledsoe, Teague or G Hill and I would be OK with that. Lin comes with the caveat of how much did we pay him. I would also be OK with Delly.

If he doesnt get a legit PG then bet your azz Im going to fry him. I dont know why others wouldnt. This team isnt strapped for cap space anymore. Anything less than signing a significant FA is a failure.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2015-16 Season Thread 

Post#306 » by shakendfries » Wed May 25, 2016 2:36 am

OKC is about to rebound their way into an NBA championship

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Re: Around the NBA, 2015-16 Season Thread 

Post#307 » by Ror1997 » Wed May 25, 2016 2:58 am

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Ror1997 wrote:
Net Sentence wrote:
They havent said anything about anyone, that would be tampering. It doesnt stop people from talking about other players, why would it preclude us from talking about Rondo?


If you actually read my post, I very clearly state that Marks/Atkinson havent hinted at having interest in a player like Rondo. They also talked about a patient rebuild, So Rondo coming here is just not a fit for any party involved. Marks isn't going to consider him, He more than likely won't consider us...

The answer is and has always been right infront of us. Nothing can be argued in his favor that is going to change that simple fact.

Plus I can allready see you destroying Marks the second news comes out the Nets have no interest in Rondo. All I'm saying, is don't keep telling yourself that Rondo is that man for the job when it's been made clear from the beginning he isn't. Don't blame Marks for the disappointment you're bringing on yourself.


Marks has one job this summer, to get an NBA level starting PG. That can be accomplished by signing either Rondo or Conley. He can also trade for someone like Bledsoe, Teague or G Hill and I would be OK with that. Lin comes with the caveat of how much did we pay him. I would also be OK with Delly.

If he doesnt get a legit PG then bet your azz Im going to fry him. I dont know why others wouldnt. This team isnt strapped for cap space anymore. Anything less than signing a significant FA is a failure.


I mean, I would be ok with another year of Jack. There's alot of options next year in free agency, including 2 of the guys you mentioned, Teague and Hill. Lin on something under 10mil a year would be cool. The benefit to Lin is he can start for a year and then become our 6th man. But you can only really justify doing that if you aren't over paying him. I would welcome a trade for Bledsoe for sure.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2015-16 Season Thread 

Post#308 » by Papi_swav » Wed May 25, 2016 3:19 am

I just can't see a way we can get Teague, Hill, bledsoe or any PG of that caliber in a trade unless we get really lucky, and I think we're due for some luck . Harrison Barnes is nothing we need BTW
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Re: Around the NBA, 2015-16 Season Thread 

Post#309 » by Net Sentence » Wed May 25, 2016 11:05 am

Ror1997 wrote:
Net Sentence wrote:
Ror1997 wrote:
If you actually read my post, I very clearly state that Marks/Atkinson havent hinted at having interest in a player like Rondo. They also talked about a patient rebuild, So Rondo coming here is just not a fit for any party involved. Marks isn't going to consider him, He more than likely won't consider us...

The answer is and has always been right infront of us. Nothing can be argued in his favor that is going to change that simple fact.

Plus I can allready see you destroying Marks the second news comes out the Nets have no interest in Rondo. All I'm saying, is don't keep telling yourself that Rondo is that man for the job when it's been made clear from the beginning he isn't. Don't blame Marks for the disappointment you're bringing on yourself.


Marks has one job this summer, to get an NBA level starting PG. That can be accomplished by signing either Rondo or Conley. He can also trade for someone like Bledsoe, Teague or G Hill and I would be OK with that. Lin comes with the caveat of how much did we pay him. I would also be OK with Delly.

If he doesnt get a legit PG then bet your azz Im going to fry him. I dont know why others wouldnt. This team isnt strapped for cap space anymore. Anything less than signing a significant FA is a failure.


I mean, I would be ok with another year of Jack. There's alot of options next year in free agency, including 2 of the guys you mentioned, Teague and Hill. Lin on something under 10mil a year would be cool. The benefit to Lin is he can start for a year and then become our 6th man. But you can only really justify doing that if you aren't over paying him. I would welcome a trade for Bledsoe for sure.


Im Jack's biggest supporter by far on here but you cant count on anything from him. He will be 33 when the season starts and is coming off a serious knee injury. The smart play is to trade him on draft night with Bogs or waive him before his contract locks in. We simply can risk it.

The reason why I mentioned those guys is because they are in the final year of their contract and they both have ties to either Marks or Atkinson.
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Post#310 » by MrDollarBills » Wed May 25, 2016 12:35 pm

I'd also be cool with Lin or Delly until we can lure Teague next offseason.

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Post#311 » by CalamityX12 » Wed May 25, 2016 1:31 pm

Can't believe the Ws are falling off the map here. Yes, credit to OKC for sure but Curry n Co are just careless with the ball these days, over helping thus leaving off rebounds for OKC, no more ball movement, jacking up shots after shots... bad recipe... Kerr has to be held accountable for some of this.

Banres, Iggy, Green.... ya'll need to bounce back and play like your part of the championship team. I will say that Curry's ball dominance(which isn't good so far) is influencing the lack of play for the others but still....

Lets go Kerr, this is not acceptbale!
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Post#312 » by NyCeEvO » Wed May 25, 2016 2:14 pm

CalamityX12 wrote:Can't believe the Ws are falling off the map here. Yes, credit to OKC for sure but Curry n Co are just careless with the ball these days, over helping thus leaving off rebounds for OKC, no more ball movement, jacking up shots after shots... bad recipe... Kerr has to be held accountable for some of this.

Banres, Iggy, Green.... ya'll need to bounce back and play like your part of the championship team. I will say that Curry's ball dominance(which isn't good so far) is influencing the lack of play for the others but still....

Lets go Kerr, this is not acceptbale!

They're not playing poorly for no reason. OKC beat the juggernaut Spurs (after getting trounced in Game 1) and now they're making the Warriors look pretty human.

They have two legitimate top-5 players and their teammates are stepping up. They can switch almost everything on defense and contest many of GSW's 3s. The Warriors are forced to drive and take way more layups and close 2s in these games than they had when they were waxing the league during the regular season.
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Post#313 » by MrDollarBills » Wed May 25, 2016 2:24 pm

The biggest thing is that the Thunder are finally playing smart. Also, not cowering to small ball and using their size and big guys helps too...and oh yeah, having to A+ tier players
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Post#314 » by Prokorov » Wed May 25, 2016 3:55 pm

Dirk Nowitzki wrote:Draymond Green.

If you go back to that Warriors x Nets game, I posted some plays that showed the refs helped the Warriors and I always felt that in these two years, that team was playing with a different set of rules. Green in particular --- and this is why I don't value him as highly as he generally is rated --- gets away with so much on that team.

This shameful favouritism just shows that people weren't paranoid. I am honestly shocked... because I thought that the NBA would not want to face the shame of punishing a scrub one day (Jones against the Raptors) and then letting something that was worse to me (hard kick to the balls) unpunished.

I was too young to watch the 80s or even 90s basketball, but just recently I was watching the espn 30 for 30 on the bad boys and I would love to see more retaliation in the NBA. A guy like Green needs to have a target on him and be hit hard. :oops: :lol:


yea its complete BS, but the NBA isnt going to sway a series with a suspension after being criticizes for it in the past. this entire playoffs has screamed of "dont decide the game with a call". they'd rather have to deal with a non call or non suspension then putting themselves in the middle. kind of dumb imo.

green should be suspended. liek no doubt. looks like it may not matter.
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Post#315 » by Prokorov » Wed May 25, 2016 4:02 pm

Ror1997 wrote:
Net Sentence wrote:
Ror1997 wrote:
If you actually read my post, I very clearly state that Marks/Atkinson havent hinted at having interest in a player like Rondo. They also talked about a patient rebuild, So Rondo coming here is just not a fit for any party involved. Marks isn't going to consider him, He more than likely won't consider us...

The answer is and has always been right infront of us. Nothing can be argued in his favor that is going to change that simple fact.

Plus I can allready see you destroying Marks the second news comes out the Nets have no interest in Rondo. All I'm saying, is don't keep telling yourself that Rondo is that man for the job when it's been made clear from the beginning he isn't. Don't blame Marks for the disappointment you're bringing on yourself.


Marks has one job this summer, to get an NBA level starting PG. That can be accomplished by signing either Rondo or Conley. He can also trade for someone like Bledsoe, Teague or G Hill and I would be OK with that. Lin comes with the caveat of how much did we pay him. I would also be OK with Delly.

If he doesnt get a legit PG then bet your azz Im going to fry him. I dont know why others wouldnt. This team isnt strapped for cap space anymore. Anything less than signing a significant FA is a failure.


I mean, I would be ok with another year of Jack. There's alot of options next year in free agency, including 2 of the guys you mentioned, Teague and Hill. Lin on something under 10mil a year would be cool. The benefit to Lin is he can start for a year and then become our 6th man. But you can only really justify doing that if you aren't over paying him. I would welcome a trade for Bledsoe for sure.


yup... to me thats an easy choice.

Jack at 1 year 5million

or

Lin at 3 years 36 million or 4 years 40 million

Jack isnt quite lin but its still that same class of great backup borderline starter. Jack is a great mentor and culture guy. keep him for a year and go after a starter in FA next season if thats what we need to do and maybe retain jack on a new deal as backup.

I just hope Marks/Atkinson dont try and outsmart themselves and just think they can turn every toad into a prince because the spurs where a machine like that and kenny helped guys in atlanta. Look at football... bellicheks had tons of diciples go to other teams, try and take the approach that they can go with "value" guys and build winners and they basically all massively failed because 1. they arent what bellicheck is and 2. they dont have an elite qb.... which kind of goes back to my last point that developing players goes smoother and works alot better when you have talented guys around the younger ones your developing
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Post#316 » by MrDollarBills » Sat May 28, 2016 2:53 am

^You seem to ignore the fact that Jack tore his knee apart. At his age, that's not something you just bounce back from.

anyway...

Good luck to the Raptors if they're really going to pay DeRozan 24 million dollars a year. He's playing like a ho out there.
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Post#317 » by MrDollarBills » Sat May 28, 2016 3:03 am

Gotta give the Raptor fans respect. Had that been the Nets being blown out in game 6 of the NBA finals half the arena would have been cheering for the Cavs.

The Nets have seriously got to give what few fans they have something to cheer for. That stuff they put on the floor with D-Will was not anything to cheer for. we need a team that people want to get behind. you want to get behind guys that play hard and are competitive. Not that show up just to get a check bull we saw over the last few years.
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Post#318 » by NyCeEvO » Sat May 28, 2016 3:05 am

MrDollarBills wrote:^You seem to ignore the fact that Jack tore his knee apart. At his age, that's not something you just bounce back from.

anyway...

Good luck to the Raptors if they're really going to pay DeRozan 24 million dollars a year. He's playing like a ho out there.

Ujiri is very fortunate. The Raps could've lost in 7 games at home in the 1st round while being the 2nd seed. That would've been monumental embarrassment after JJ two years ago, Pierce and Wall last year and Paul George this year. The fact that they were able to make it to the ECF and take two from the previously undefeated Cavs completely changes the narrative from the Raps being a fraud to them being a very good but not great team.

The reason I say Ujiri is fortunate is because he doesn't have to worry about being fired for an under performing team. With the #9 pick maybe they can package that with one of their rotation players for a wing who is actually a threat from deep unlike Derozan. They're a good offensive piece away from making things interesting with the Cavs. If they get one good offensive wing or stretch 4 and a mobile defensive big man, I definitely think they can give the Cavs a run for their money.
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Post#319 » by MrDollarBills » Sat May 28, 2016 3:30 am

it depends. they can retain derozan but they need a game changer at either the 3 or 4.

the taxes in canada...hm. i dunno if they can build properly. to me, the nba needs to develop a system that offsets high tax areas

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Post#320 » by NyCeEvO » Sat May 28, 2016 2:41 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:it depends. they can retain derozan but they need a game changer at either the 3 or 4.

the taxes in canada...hm. i dunno if they can build properly. to me, the nba needs to develop a system that offsets high tax areas

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Agree on both points.

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