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Post#301 » by nykfan42 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:40 am

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Once Melo gets the ball, it sticks. That's the offense. What is there to run?

No one moves around though, there is also many times where they dont know what to do and just hope/rely on melo doing something.

The 4th quarter plan on this team is still the Melo Hail Mary. Which frankly is to be expected when you look at the roster but I don't think fans get that yet.

There are guys that can hit shots but they can't be standing around waiting for something to happen making it Melo on 5. Attack the defense. Gallo has hit timely baskets. KP isn't scared. Play basketball, they're over thinking in crunch time.
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Re: Knicks-Cavs Official PG Thread 

Post#302 » by 2010 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:41 am

Fisher is not trusting the young bucks down the stretch yet we're still losing with his trusted vets in there. What does that tell you?

If Kristaps has shown anything, it's that he's a fast learner who makes quick adjustments. He needs to be out there in every crunch time scenario barring foul trouble. He also needs to be pushed in order to get his stamina up by playing 30mpg. Rookie wall be damned. I don't believe in babying players. You learn from experience.
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Post#303 » by mpharris36 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:46 am

2010 wrote:Fisher is not trusting the young bucks down the stretch yet we're still losing with his trusted vets in there. What does that the you?

If Kristaps has shown anything, it's that he's a learner who makes quick adjustments. He needs to be out there in every crunch time scenario barring foul trouble. He also needs to be pushed in order to get his stamina up by playing 30mpg. Rookie wall be damned. I don't believe in babying players. You learn from experience.


we are barely losing. Are we complaing about fisher if the official just call a simple foul when KP got hacked? Or are we complaining if Afflalo just made one of those open 3 pointers in the corner that would have been daggers?

we aren't that far off, we are right there with a lot of the good teams in the NBA. You learn from experience but you have to earn those late minutes. If you don't produce in the 2nd qtr...why do you deserve to play in the 4th?
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Post#304 » by Phish Tank » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:49 am

i still am trying to find the answer to one of my original posts:

Is anyone noting that LeBron & Mo Williams pretty much took over the game in the 4th and that's with Galloway & Melo guarding them. Literally, we were playing some good defense on these guys, but they just took over. It's not that easy winning games with them taking over. I mean LeBron's won a ton of games for a reason, right?
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Post#305 » by NoLayupRule » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:52 am

I'm looking forward to hearing how tonight's loss is fishers fault
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Post#306 » by mpharris36 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:53 am

Phish Tank wrote:i still am trying to find the answer to one of my original posts:

Is anyone noting that LeBron & Mo Williams pretty much took over the game in the 4th and that's with Galloway & Melo guarding them. Literally, we were playing some good defense on these guys, but they just took over. It's not that easy winning games with them taking over. I mean LeBron's won a ton of games for a reason, right?


we honestly aren't that far off. Not trying to make excuses but we are .1 of a second and a simple no call on KP's put back from being 6-4 instead of 4-6. We would be singing a total different tune.

I don't see us that far off. We are playing competitive strong basketball. Just not executing down the stretch. And that takes time playing together.
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Re: Knicks-Cavs Official PG Thread 

Post#307 » by Phish Tank » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:54 am

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Phish Tank wrote:i still am trying to find the answer to one of my original posts:

Is anyone noting that LeBron & Mo Williams pretty much took over the game in the 4th and that's with Galloway & Melo guarding them. Literally, we were playing some good defense on these guys, but they just took over. It's not that easy winning games with them taking over. I mean LeBron's won a ton of games for a reason, right?


we honestly aren't that far off. Not trying to make excuses but we are .1 of a second and a simple no call on KP's put back from being 6-4 instead of 4-6. We would be singing a total different tune.

I don't see us that far off. We are playing competitive strong basketball. Just not executing down the stretch. And that takes time playing together.


exactly. It's like we're just diminishing the talent of the opposing teams we're facing
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Post#308 » by HerSports85 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:55 am

Phish Tank wrote:i still am trying to find the answer to one of my original posts:

Is anyone noting that LeBron & Mo Williams pretty much took over the game in the 4th and that's with Galloway & Melo guarding them. Literally, we were playing some good defense on these guys, but they just took over. It's not that easy winning games with them taking over. I mean LeBron's won a ton of games for a reason, right?


That's not the reason we lost. Please let me point out the 2 main reasons this game and many others slipped away.

1. Once again we went on two crucial- long scoring droughts. 3rd game that we lost a huge lead and fisher didn't change the lineup until we were down more than 4 or 6.

2. We we desperately need offense, down the stretch, Lou and Jose are inserted into the game.

I have no problem with the defense tonight.
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Post#309 » by Knickola Tesla » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:57 am

mpharris36 wrote:
Houstonrox wrote:Honestly, Kerr or Luke Walton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fish.


honestly its a lot easier to coach when you have steph curry on your team....



Tell that to Mark Jackson.
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Post#310 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:58 am

kane2021 wrote:We dont even run the triangle. I know the offense. We get into the sets. People go to the places they need to be. But the plays are not executed. We free lance. Just like with woodson. And this is never corrected. During games, after time outs, after games. There is never a correction.There is never frustration from the bench.

They are being encouraged to do this. So if we not going to run the offense, what the **** is the point in having dude?

Personally,.. and this is the first anti Phil thing I have said. Phil, you need to ditch the idea of someone being you. Just because you could coached someone to run the triple post offense dont mean, they will be a good coach running the triple post.

Tex taught you the triple post, but it was your ability to manage people though your studies of zen, meditation and personality, along with your mind for the game. The offense isnt what made you.

And just because you built the team, it dont mean the offense will make them. Im sorry to say this, but its the truth. None of your copy cat proteges have been successful. I dont know of any of your former assistants that have been successful. Kerr was not one of them. You wanted him, he didnt want you and the rest is history.

So even if you chose one of your old assistants, to properly run the offense, it dont mean it will work. Honestly, this team looks fine without it. When we try to run it, Lopez, your worst offensive player, gets the best looks! We need more screen plays. More running. Really, the problem is in the management of in game situations and the roster more than anything.

Ditch the idea. Let your ego go. You not a coach no more and you have left no great successor. Because no one is you. Let a real coach, coach this team the way he wants to do it. Not the way you want. And let that man show proof of your ability to put a team together. Because you've done a real good job building a roster. But this Fisher is killing it. This team is better than this and shows it every single game until the coach decides to pretend to be you, with what he thinks are witty decisions. He's making you look bad.


I personally subscribe to this to some degree. While it has definitely increased ball movement, there are many other ways to do that and, on too many possessions, we look like we are running in mud. Either the team needs to actually commit to it or ditch it. No half measures.
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Post#311 » by Phish Tank » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:00 am

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Phish Tank wrote:i still am trying to find the answer to one of my original posts:

Is anyone noting that LeBron & Mo Williams pretty much took over the game in the 4th and that's with Galloway & Melo guarding them. Literally, we were playing some good defense on these guys, but they just took over. It's not that easy winning games with them taking over. I mean LeBron's won a ton of games for a reason, right?


That's not the reason we lost. Please let me point out the 2 main reasons this game and many others slipped away.

1. Once again we went on two crucial- long scoring droughts. 3rd game that we lost a huge lead and fisher didn't change the lineup until we were down more than 4 or 6.

2. We we desperately need offense, down the stretch, Lou and Jose are inserted into the game.

I have no problem with the defense tonight.


Yes we went on a scoring drought and yes we lost a lead. Yes, we also need some offense too. But let's not ignore the fact that the Cavs are simply coasting until the 4th. They're 8-1 for a reason. They've been doing this to all teams, not just us.

Really, it all boils down to the fact that Mo Williams hit a big shot in the end.

Thinking you can run up a lead on the Cavs is much easier said than done.
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Post#312 » by Knicks_Fan2 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:02 am

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mpharris36 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:i still am trying to find the answer to one of my original posts:

Is anyone noting that LeBron & Mo Williams pretty much took over the game in the 4th and that's with Galloway & Melo guarding them. Literally, we were playing some good defense on these guys, but they just took over. It's not that easy winning games with them taking over. I mean LeBron's won a ton of games for a reason, right?


we honestly aren't that far off. Not trying to make excuses but we are .1 of a second and a simple no call on KP's put back from being 6-4 instead of 4-6. We would be singing a total different tune.

I don't see us that far off. We are playing competitive strong basketball. Just not executing down the stretch. And that takes time playing together.


exactly. It's like we're just diminishing the talent of the opposing teams we're facing


Looking at our margin of losses, and the teams that we are playing, seems like a complete strawman to the arguments being made here against some of the tactical decisions made by Fisher. It doesn't matter how close the games are; there are certain things he is doing that makes ME believe that we are that close IN SPITE of some of those he is doing and those are the things being discussed here.
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Post#313 » by Houstonrox » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:02 am

mpharris36 wrote:
Houstonrox wrote:Honestly, Kerr or Luke Walton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fish.


honestly its a lot easier to coach when you have steph curry on your team....




I don't know if you have been watching them play but Walton actually uses timeouts and substitution patterns wisely. He closes with pretty much the same 5 every game. We do not. We lack offensive movement and execution because we could not decide who to close with. Everyone is standing around because the ONLY constant is Melo down the stretch. Therefore, people can't get into the flow of the game. Establish a go to 5 at the end of the game and you will see better game execution. Players will develop chemistry. Lou and Lance should not be 40% of your lineup when it counts the most.
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Post#314 » by mpharris36 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:09 am

lou I understand he was playing well. And it allows the knicks to switch every screen which was effective down the stretch.

Lance shouldn't of been out there he wasn't do anything specifically and we needed KP's offense.

I agree there but Lou made some nice plays in this game and Lopez was a little to slow to stay in this type of game.
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Post#315 » by PrecociousNeoph » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:15 am

i like lance thomas but vs charlotte his inbounds pass was too low as hahn and wally both pointed out, so kp had to raise the ball up to shoot it which took precious time. and now vs the cavs thomas passed the ball to the wrong side of the rim for what should have been an easy alley oop.
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Post#316 » by Knicksfan1980 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:17 am

Melo needs to be more consistent. Had a great 1st half then only had 2 points the entire 2nd half only by a put back off a miss
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Post#317 » by nyk97 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:19 am

i can't with this **** coach. everyone who has a twitter needs to blow up phil jacksons mentions, this coach is such a dumb **** [tweet]https://twitter.com/nyknicks/status/665369001107652608[/tweet]
LIKE IS HE JUST REALIZING THIS. LANCE THOMAS IS NOT A CLOSER AND NEITHER IS LOU. AND THEN HE PUTS LOPEZ AND KP IN WITH 14 SECONDS LEFT?! fu ck you fisher seriously fu ck you
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Post#318 » by HerSports85 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:21 am

Phish Tank wrote:
HerSports85 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:i still am trying to find the answer to one of my original posts:

Is anyone noting that LeBron & Mo Williams pretty much took over the game in the 4th and that's with Galloway & Melo guarding them. Literally, we were playing some good defense on these guys, but they just took over. It's not that easy winning games with them taking over. I mean LeBron's won a ton of games for a reason, right?


That's not the reason we lost. Please let me point out the 2 main reasons this game and many others slipped away.

1. Once again we went on two crucial- long scoring droughts. 3rd game that we lost a huge lead and fisher didn't change the lineup until we were down more than 4 or 6.

2. We we desperately need offense, down the stretch, Lou and Jose are inserted into the game.

I have no problem with the defense tonight.


Yes we went on a scoring drought and yes we lost a lead. Yes, we also need some offense too. But let's not ignore the fact that the Cavs are simply coasting until the 4th. They're 8-1 for a reason. They've been doing this to all teams, not just us.

Really, it all boils down to the fact that Mo Williams hit a big shot in the end.

Thinking you can run up a lead on the Cavs is much easier said than done.


I get that, but these are the same issues we have with every loss .. and even some wins lol. Nothing is changing. That's my problem with Fisher, he's not adjusting.

No one can explain to me how on numerous occasions we have a huge lead and Fisher keeps the same lineup out on the floor until we are in a hole. How is this happening?

Why is KP being snatched out of games when we need scoring. Run a freakin play for him, most times he has the advantage.
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Post#319 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:23 am

ibraheim718 wrote:Look if Porzingis, Grant, and Galloway aren't out there heavy minutes taking their lumps and learning so they can turn into something we're never going to get anywhere, period. We aren't so good that we can't afford to do that.. that's the reason why they need to play and definitely play late. Learn, get the mistakes out of the way and let their talent shine through.


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Post#320 » by nyk97 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:24 am

honestly having him next too a defensive sg has helped him and made him look better. him next to sasha was hell. our losses have come from unstable rotations and playing the likes of lance thomas over our number 4 pick in crunch time.
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