#3 pick

[Andrew McCeltic]

Another steal from the trade forum.

Denver Trades: Danilo Gallinari, #7, #19

Boston Trades: #3, #16, James Young

We get Gallinari and pickup someone who drops like Hield, and then choose someone like Criss or Bembry with the 19.

A scenario from the Trade board

To Philadelphia (Trade #1)
-#3 pick (Hield)
-#5 pick (Murray/Dunn)
-#45 pick (Draft & Stash)

To Boston (Trade #3, #16, #22, #45, 2018 Brooklyn pick, 2019 protected pick, Hunter)
-#1 pick

To Minnesota (Trade #5)
-R.J. Hunter
-#16 pick (SG)
-#22 pick (SF)
-2018 Brooklyn 1st round pick
-2019 Boston 1st round pick (lottery protected)

The three-team deal is crazy, we're not giving up the Brooklyn pick to move up to 1, why would we do that? Clearly written by a Philly fan dreaming. Minnesota isn't trading 5 for that package either.

The Denver trade is interesting, but depends on what we make of Bender and who's left on the board at 7. It's not my first choice, but I could see it happening.

[Andrew McCeltic]

And yeah, Noel's defensive potential is amazing, his combination of height and quickness gives him a chance to be a DPOY candidate. Gobert, peak Hibbert, peak Gasol, peak Sanders, Tyson Chandler, etc. A tough guy to give up the third pick for, because he's got very little upside on offense.

[Kenhov]

I know this discussion is about the 3 pick but I think this guy is probably the biggest sleeper in the draft and my new binky. I will remind people that my last year binky was Myles Turner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4WsBOhnew8

His game is uncannily like Paul Pierce. Old man crafty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp7HY3n3jZY I know this is just powder puff stuff, but his movements again are very PP.

This draft may end up being very sneaky good.

[Celts17Pride]

My draft plan is draft Murray or Hield at the 3rd pick

Trade Marcus Smart and the 16th pick to the Kings for the 8th pick and then select Marquese Chriss

I think you're underestimating the pressure Danny/Wyc are under to get the Celtics to the next level where they can compete with the Cavs...Brad is entering year #4...it's time. he needs more talent on the roster. He's maxed out what he's had... now it's time for Danny to push some of his chips to the center of the table and bet on his 3 Queens....If we had #1 pick Danny would push chips to the center with a full-house.....but his hand is still good with 3 Q's.. he can still win the hand.
I'm not suggesting Danny throw all his assets away for 1 All-Star player....But I am suggesting that Danny will be a lot more aggressive and less patient this offseason.

To your point, though......In the grand scheme of things these 3 BK picks could shape up the Celtics for the next decade or more. 25 years from now we could be talking about how we landed Bender, Giles, Ayton and won 3 titles because of the BK trade.....That's the counter argument to pushing all chips forward for a Jimmy Butler, then signing Al Horford where at the end of the day MAYBE we go to the finals once but never win Banner 18...

Don't disagree but in my opinion Durant and Horford are pipedreams. Neither will be wearing Celtics green next year. I don't think Butler would make the Celtics better considering what the Celtics would have to give up to get him.

So that leaves making the most out of the draft and filling in with the Noah, Gasol, Howard, Jefferson etc. of the NBA world or punting to 2017. Don't see any other stars available.

[Kenhov]

I have said it before but my first choice would be to take some risks.

1. Trade 3 for Okafor
2. Trade Sullinger and Bradley to move up and grab Hield
3. Pickup Deandre Bembry.
4. Go after Holford and Noah (on the cheap)

You end up with

IT / Rozier
Smart / Hield
Crowder / Bembry
Holford / Olynynk
Okafor / Noah

With the prospect of Harry Giles being very attainable with next years BK pick, this team would make conf finals and give us the tools to start to chip away at a declining Cavs team.

IT, Hield and Olynynk (yes him) would thrive with the open looks Al and Jah would give them.

[bucknersrevenge]

Interesting article on Jaylen Brown. He seems to have the diet and work ethic to be great.

http://theundefeated.com/features/jaylen-brown-the-2016-nba-drafts-renaissance-man/

Interesting. Very adult perspective on his job interview which I like. I get a hint of Rondo when I hear him talk which should go over real well. But interestingly enough, this is the kind of kid I could see Stevens liking. Air of confidence, bordering on cockiness, but been overlooked a little. Seems to have the work ethic and wants to be great. Clearly athletic profile is there. Projects as a 2-way player for sure. Needs a lot of development but it's clear from Danny and Brad, that they're willing to wait. I may have sold this kid short.

[Ben-N1ce]

Interesting article on Jaylen Brown. He seems to have the diet and work ethic to be great.

http://theundefeated.com/features/jaylen-brown-the-2016-nba-drafts-renaissance-man/

Interesting. Very adult perspective on his job interview which I like. I get a hint of Rondo when I hear him talk which should go over real well. But interestingly enough, this is the kind of kid I could see Stevens liking. Air of confidence, bordering on cockiness, but been overlooked a little. Seems to have the work ethic and wants to be great. Clearly athletic profile is there. Projects as a 2-way player for sure. Needs a lot of development but it's clear from Danny and Brad, that they're willing to wait. I may have sold this kid short.

interesting indeed if he really has that drive in him.

[bucknersrevenge]

Interesting article on Jaylen Brown. He seems to have the diet and work ethic to be great.

http://theundefeated.com/features/jaylen-brown-the-2016-nba-drafts-renaissance-man/

Interesting. Very adult perspective on his job interview which I like. I get a hint of Rondo when I hear him talk which should go over real well. But interestingly enough, this is the kind of kid I could see Stevens liking. Air of confidence, bordering on cockiness, but been overlooked a little. Seems to have the work ethic and wants to be great. Clearly athletic profile is there. Projects as a 2-way player for sure. Needs a lot of development but it's clear from Danny and Brad, that they're willing to wait. I may have sold this kid short.

interesting indeed if he really has that drive in him.

Wouldn't it be so Danny to draft the one kid most people aren't even considering at 3? Everyone's talking Bender, Murray, Hield, Trade for Butler, Okafor etc.




Nope.

Jaylen Brown.

That would be the middle finger of all middle fingers.

[LobCityRondo2KG]

Jaylen Brown was highly regarded going to Cal but just didnt live up to the hype. I could see him working his way up and either going to the Celtics OR Phx. He has the size and skills to make an awesome tandem with Crowder.

[EJay33]

So let me get this straight DK - you A)Freak out in the lottery thread after the commercial break when you learned that the Celtics got the #3 pick and not a top two pick, and now B) Tell me that it is unnecessary to include future picks - many of which we do not even have space to retain on our roster, for a top 2 pick.

So which is it? Did you want a top 2 pick or not? Is the #3 pick equal in value to the #2 pick or not? If so, why the "NOOOO" in the lottery thread when you learned that Boston would be picking 3rd? Do you view Dragan Bender as the same level of prospect as Ingram or not? To me, a long wing scorer who scored 17 a game and shot 41% from 3 appears to have a higher likelihood of NBA success than a guy who averaged 10 MPG and 2 PPG in the Israeli league, but that's just me. I'd be willing to throw in a future pick or two to get into the top 2. Absolutely. I was bummed when the Celtics drew #3.

If the Lakers really like Bender, could offer up #3 plus some other first-round picks in exchange for 2. Lakers have traded two future first round picks and are in the middle of a rebuild. It' sounds too good to be true that the Lakers could bungle the #2 pick in a 2 player draft but if they are thinking about it Boston might be able to help them restock their cupboard of draft picks.

Unnecessary. Just take whoever is there between Bender and Ingram. If LA likes Ingram, fine. If LA likes Bender, fine. The Celtics are walking away with a good player regardless. No point in giving up any assets.

[DarkAzcura]

So let me get this straight DK - you A)Freak out in the lottery thread after the commercial break when you learned that the Celtics got the #3 pick and not a top two pick, and now B) Tell me that it is unnecessary to include future picks - many of which we do not even have space to retain on our roster, for a top 2 pick.

So which is it? Did you want a top 2 pick or not? Is the #3 pick equal in value to the #2 pick or not? If so, why the "NOOOO" in the lottery thread when you learned that Boston would be picking 3rd? Do you view Dragan Bender as the same level of prospect as Ingram or not? To me, a long wing scorer who scored 17 a game and shot 41% from 3 appears to have a higher likelihood of NBA success than a guy who averaged 10 MPG and 2 PPG in the Israeli league, but that's just me. I'd be willing to throw in a future pick or two to get into the top 2. Absolutely. I was bummed when the Celtics drew #3.

If the Lakers really like Bender, could offer up #3 plus some other first-round picks in exchange for 2. Lakers have traded two future first round picks and are in the middle of a rebuild. It' sounds too good to be true that the Lakers could bungle the #2 pick in a 2 player draft but if they are thinking about it Boston might be able to help them restock their cupboard of draft picks.

Unnecessary. Just take whoever is there between Bender and Ingram. If LA likes Ingram, fine. If LA likes Bender, fine. The Celtics are walking away with a good player regardless. No point in giving up any assets.

Well I'm not going to claim being an expert on anything Bender related, but I will say it's pretty common to cite incorrect stats on him. Bender actually averaged 5.3 PPG in 14 MPG in the Israeli League. He shot 40% from 3 on about 2.2 attempts from beyond the arc a game. I'd also like to imagine that a professional league has much tougher competition than D1 college ball. I mean a lot of players in these international leagues played D1 ball and professional EU ball for years. I think that's fairly important to note. Also when Bender got to play players his own age, he has historically done pretty well. He dominated Sabonis two years ago and played pretty well against Porzingis. Again I don't know much about international professional leagues, but I wouldn't make a 1:1 comparison between D1 stats and pro league stats. Considering how well Bender has played against his peers in the past, he could have averaged a double double in D1 ball for all we know.

[Red2]

Bender or Murray. they may not become stars but I think they will develop into very good nba players. I'm not opposed to trading the pick but I think we are further away than people think and I'd be willing to take a step or two backwards in order to take a big leap forward into 2-3 years. I really don't see how this team competes for a title with Isaiah Thomas as the centerpiece. I would probably do the okafor deal for the 3rd pick but barring a deal like that I think I keep the pick because its the best shot we have at getting talent. Its hard to judge a player on a few clips but I really like what I've seen of bender. he needs to get stronger etc but he is almost 7 feet and can dribble and pass like a guard. He's not simmons but on the other hand he's not that far off either and he has a better outside shot.

[ryaningf]

Interesting article on Jaylen Brown. He seems to have the diet and work ethic to be great.

http://theundefeated.com/features/jaylen-brown-the-2016-nba-drafts-renaissance-man/

Interesting. Very adult perspective on his job interview which I like. I get a hint of Rondo when I hear him talk which should go over real well. But interestingly enough, this is the kind of kid I could see Stevens liking. Air of confidence, bordering on cockiness, but been overlooked a little. Seems to have the work ethic and wants to be great. Clearly athletic profile is there. Projects as a 2-way player for sure. Needs a lot of development but it's clear from Danny and Brad, that they're willing to wait. I may have sold this kid short.

Yeah, the interesting part is for as well-rounded and inquisitive as he sounds off the court, when I watch him on the court he shows a major lack of BBIQ or any feel for the game. Sometimes smartness comes with stubbornness.

I want to like this kid, great athlete and a potential 2-way player, but he should have stayed in school IMO. Of the guys ranked in the top 10, I think he has the highest bust potential. Anybody out there have a good read on why I might be wrong, would love to change my mind as I tend to love these types of guys.

[Celtic Esquire]

Yeah, the interesting part is for as well-rounded and inquisitive as he sounds off the court, when I watch him on the court he shows a major lack of BBIQ or any feel for the game. Sometimes smartness comes with stubbornness.

I watched a ton of Cal games because I live in Los Angeles and the bolded part of ryan's statement is absolutely correct. Brown has all the physical tools to be a great player, but he plays too much like Jeff Green for my liking.

I wouldn't draft Brown unless he slid down to us at 16 or higher.

[Murta]

Yeah, the interesting part is for as well-rounded and inquisitive as he sounds off the court, when I watch him on the court he shows a major lack of BBIQ or any feel for the game. Sometimes smartness comes with stubbornness.

I watched a ton of Cal games because I live in Los Angeles and the bolded part of ryan's statement is absolutely correct. Brown has all the physical tools to be a great player, but he plays too much like Jeff Green for my liking.

I wouldn't draft Brown unless he slid down to us at 16 or higher.

For me, Brown is almost a test case for what would happen if Jeff Green wasn't such a weirdo. Then again, Brown has made some unusual decisions, too.

[Bluewhale]

Just for reference, Dragan Bender's stat is updated at REALGM site
http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Dragan-Bender/Summary/41582

So far he played 27 games in local league
14.2 MPG
5.3 PPG
2.85 BPG
46.7 FG%
39.0 3P%
0.74 APG
0.63 SPG
0.89 BPG
0.59 TPG

Per 36 minutes
13.4 PPG
7.23 BPG
1.87 APG
1.59 SPG
2.26 BPG
1.49 TPG

While the score/rebound is not very charming, I like the Steal, Blocks and Turnovers number.

By the way, I also have a feeling Brown is very similar to Jeff Green, who will have a very long NBA career but never reach their potential.

[bucknersrevenge]

Interesting article on Jaylen Brown. He seems to have the diet and work ethic to be great.

http://theundefeated.com/features/jaylen-brown-the-2016-nba-drafts-renaissance-man/

Interesting. Very adult perspective on his job interview which I like. I get a hint of Rondo when I hear him talk which should go over real well. But interestingly enough, this is the kind of kid I could see Stevens liking. Air of confidence, bordering on cockiness, but been overlooked a little. Seems to have the work ethic and wants to be great. Clearly athletic profile is there. Projects as a 2-way player for sure. Needs a lot of development but it's clear from Danny and Brad, that they're willing to wait. I may have sold this kid short.

Yeah, the interesting part is for as well-rounded and inquisitive as he sounds off the court, when I watch him on the court he shows a major lack of BBIQ or any feel for the game. Sometimes smartness comes with stubbornness.

I want to like this kid, great athlete and a potential 2-way player, but he should have stayed in school IMO. Of the guys ranked in the top 10, I think he has the highest bust potential. Anybody out there have a good read on why I might be wrong, would love to change my mind as I tend to love these types of guys.

Agreed. I definitely got a bit of a Rondo vibe from him. And earlier reports from Stein indicated that his interviews weren't coming off so well maybe. People were perceiving arrogance in his responses. And I agree that he could have used 1 more year to work on his game from there. I want to like him. Had my eye on him before this college season started actually.

[LobCityRondo2KG]

Im on the Bender bandwagon.. I think he will be the clear 3 once workouts are underway

[Celts17Pride]

Just for reference, Dragan Bender's stat is updated at REALGM site
http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Dragan-Bender/Summary/41582

So far he played 27 games in local league
14.2 MPG
5.3 PPG
2.85 BPG
46.7 FG%
39.0 3P%
0.74 APG
0.63 SPG
0.89 BPG
0.59 TPG

Per 36 minutes
13.4 PPG
7.23 BPG
1.87 APG
1.59 SPG
2.26 BPG
1.49 TPG

While the score/rebound is not very charming, I like the Steal, Blocks and Turnovers number.

That has disappointment written all over it.

[DarkAzcura]

Just for reference, Dragan Bender's stat is updated at REALGM site
http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Dragan-Bender/Summary/41582

So far he played 27 games in local league
14.2 MPG
5.3 PPG
2.85 BPG
46.7 FG%
39.0 3P%
0.74 APG
0.63 SPG
0.89 BPG
0.59 TPG

Per 36 minutes
13.4 PPG
7.23 BPG
1.87 APG
1.59 SPG
2.26 BPG
1.49 TPG

While the score/rebound is not very charming, I like the Steal, Blocks and Turnovers number.

That has disappointment written all over it.

Honestly it doesn't seem too bad for a high school senior in a pro league. Really have no idea what to make of Bender. If he turns out to be our guy, I'm just going to have to trust the Celtic evaluators for now. I can't imagine how well some NBA players would play in these leagues if they were dropped into a pro league at the age of 17. Bender started this season at the age of 17 and played a quarter of the season before turning 18. Just too hard to take anything away from these numbers in general. For most Americans, they would be in their senior year of high school still deciding which D1 school they will be committing to let alone playing in a decent professional league already.

Drafting Bender is pretty much as close as you can get to drafting a high school aged player nowadays, and we all know how hit or miss those picks used to be..