2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

[bwgood77]

#4 for russell??

that's crazy and i wont even do bledsoe for russell

Totally agree. That is overpay for Russell.

I wouldn't do it if Jackson was there. After that I'm not high enough on anyone. It really depends on how high people are as Booker, because they are the same age and Russell outplayed him by a tad this season across the board. They have almost identical shooting #s, but Russell gets twice as many steals per 36, almost twice as many assists, more rebounds, and is a better defender. He has shown immaturity though I think under Watson that would improve (along with getting older and being out of LA).

As I posted before

Here is their comparison for the season.
http://bkref.com/tiny/WZQ58

[Mulhollanddrive]

No thanks to discards, low self esteem teams always end up with them and get the appropriate result.

Remember we've fawned over Tobias Harris and convinced ourselves Brandon Knight is as good as an All NBA Teamer.

There's likely multiple HoF players available in the pool we're picking from, aim high and look forward to the opportunity for our processes to be tested with a franchise changing reward.

[thamadkant]

For me it would be the 4th pick if JJ was gone. Not saying I'd do it. I am probably not quite or nearly as high on Booker as some, but for Booker fans, especially ones that consider him a franchise type talent, based on their play to date, it SHOULD be a no brainer as he has arguably played better overall, but due to differing expectations based on either how high drafted or team they are on, one seems deemed a disappointment and one is considered a franchise player.

Make not mistake, I love Booker, but Russell nearly measures the same, so do would you want two of them in the backcourt and one who is better at passing and getting steals, instead of adding Tatum, or the unknown of Fox, or whoever else? Then that would still leave Bledsoe up for trade for something really valuable. Just a thought. I don't imagine we keep Bledsoe long term, and since we are likely going nowhere short term, I don't know. If we could trade Bledsoe for one of those late lotto picks and get someone and get Russell for the 4th, would it be something people are interested in?

I guess part of the reason I bring it up is not only the nearly identical yet better #s to Booker, but also the fact that I am not completely enamored with anyone at 4 if Jackson is gone over anyone else in like the top 8-10.

Samesies. We are in the same wavelength on the draft pick beedubbleya. Not the same on Booker though obviously. I have shot 7 different pieces of trash into the trash can right now in my hotel room I yelled Booker every time im sure I made 3 of 7 which is pretty much 42% like Bookers FG %. It will go up this year though and he will average like 27 points. Idk how you aren't high on the kid who is playing so well at such a young age, like the most exciting player the franchise has had since Amare. I miss Amare, I wish we would have signed him two years ago just for funsies.
Anyway, I think perhaps the Lakers may not be as high on Russel so mAybe we can buy him low. I would certainly trade the two Miami picks over no 4 if the Lakers would do it.

OK, I will say that as a Suns fan I am super high on Booker, but still not as high as some, BUT, if I remove myself and view things and if I wasn't a Suns fan and just looked at everyone across the league, studied stats, etc, Booker isn't nearly as impressive as he seems from the focal point of just being a Suns fan.

Part of it is probably watching all the forums and part of it is just not wanting to set my hopes to high. I expect him to succeed and his second half of the season post turf toe or whatever paint an entirely different picture, and he is super young. I still also think Bender could end up the best talent on the roster 3-5 years from now who is invaluable, based on skillset, age, iq, passing, quickness, versatility..it seems like he can do everything. I think if he reaches his full potential his ceiling is MUCH higher. Chriss' probably too. And that's no knock on Booker...that is a good thing..Booker at this point is obviously more of a sure thing and somewhat known commodity. We have some exciting young players...it just depends on whether or not they fulfill their potential. And a guy like Bender could be a few years out still from really showing what he can do.

I can understand the hype and fondness for Booker... But similarly to you... Compared to otger young players in the NBA Booker had a very good season but not phenomenal. If he doesnt sharpen up his shooting efficiencies whilst having bad defense what separates him from prime Kevin Martin?

But he is young so potentially he improves.

But I would trade him for a semi young star who plays both sides... As well as pick 1 in this draft. I think Fultz with the same usage will put up same stats as a rookie.



But for now lets assume Booker is a cornerstone... Then you have to surround him with 2 way players.

I'm high on Warren but would rather a shut down defender who can score 15ppg at the SF spot just so that Booker's weakness is neutralize.

Hence where Bender comes into play.

[sunsbum]

Comparing Booker to Kevin Martin Is outrageous.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I hope Booker can turn into 48 / 38 / 85 type efficiency for multiple years.

Needs to add +4 / +2 / +3 on those categories which is reasonable given he's only 20.

Guards who have achieved that for multiple years on 20 ppg in the last 20 years: Allen, Curry, Irving, Thompson.

= Rings.

[NTB]

https://www.almightyballer.com/solar-panel-jared-dudley/

Dudley's comments about Booker, Chriss, veteran need etc.

I don't know why but he never talks about Bender.

[Qwigglez]

It hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet but with Bosh's salary being cut from Miami's books I feel we have a very short window on getting maximum value out of trading the pick. The Heat could sign some top free agents and those picks start to look like mid twenty picks.
On the flip side they could give out huge contracts to trash players and remain irrelevant therefore boosting the value of those picks, but I'm more inclined to believe the Heat gain significant assets in free agency.
Thoughts on this?

[Saberestar]

https://www.almightyballer.com/solar-panel-jared-dudley/

Dudley's comments about Booker, Chriss, veteran need etc.

I don't know why but he never talks about Bender.

Bender is all about potential...he can be great or he can be a bust. His first season was not a good one.

Watson does not talk about Bender in his interviews, it is not strange to me already.

Dudley probably does not talk too much about him because he knows (after playing with him and being his teammate a full season) that he is too raw and he is not gonna play an important role next season. Just my impression.

Bender needs to grow step by step, he arrived too early to the league.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

https://www.almightyballer.com/solar-panel-jared-dudley/

Dudley's comments about Booker, Chriss, veteran need etc.

I don't know why but he never talks about Bender.

Bender is all about potential...he can be great or he can be a bust. His first season was not a good one.

Watson does not talk about Bender in his interviews, it is not strange to me already.

Dudley probably does not talk too much about him because he knows after playing with him and being his teammate a full season) that he is too raw and he is not gonna play an important role next season. Just my impression.

Bender needs to grow step by step, he arrived too early to the league.

Eye of the beholder, I suppose.

[Fo-Real]

There was a rumor on a show about Chris Paul wanting Jordan traded before he resigns. I believe it was on the Colin Cowherd show.

[WeekapaugGroove]

There was a rumor on a show about Chris Paul wanting Jordan traded before he resigns. I believe it was on the Colin Cowherd show.

I kind of like jordans fit on the suns because they could use the rebounding and d but since he can opt out after this season I wouldn't have any interest in trading for him.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

https://www.almightyballer.com/solar-panel-jared-dudley/

Dudley's comments about Booker, Chriss, veteran need etc.

I don't know why but he never talks about Bender.

During the season he did a pod on either the ringer or zach lowe where he talked about bender and praised his basketball iq and noted how he has a more advanced feel for the game than chriss. He was high on chriss saying the skys the limit for him if he puts in the work to improve.

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[carey]

Thoughts on this?

I think you don't trade an unprotected pick that far out unless you're getting back something extremely significant like a top 5 pick or an All-Star caliber player in the deal. I'm sure the other pick has likely been shopped by McDonough already and I'd not be surprised to see it moved on draft night.

[King4Day]

It hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet but with Bosh's salary being cut from Miami's books I feel we have a very short window on getting maximum value out of trading the pick. The Heat could sign some top free agents and those picks start to look like mid twenty picks.
On the flip side they could give out huge contracts to trash players and remain irrelevant therefore boosting the value of those picks, but I'm more inclined to believe the Heat gain significant assets in free agency.
Thoughts on this?

It could be a concern but I would still hang onto the 2021 pick.
Next years pick I have no issue trading as long as there's some solid return in it.

[Kerrsed]

It hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet but with Bosh's salary being cut from Miami's books I feel we have a very short window on getting maximum value out of trading the pick. The Heat could sign some top free agents and those picks start to look like mid twenty picks.
On the flip side they could give out huge contracts to trash players and remain irrelevant therefore boosting the value of those picks, but I'm more inclined to believe the Heat gain significant assets in free agency.
Thoughts on this?

See, to me it's a non issue. Players tend to avoid bad teams. The Clippers were a bad team. Not just record wise for years, but with former players trashing the organization. It took them getting CP3 in trade and a top pick in Blake Griffin to turn things around before players started to possibly think of playing there. Even after there were still issues.

Sacramento was/is kinda the same way.

So I look at a Miami team that has lost its luster. Losing team with no real direction. 2 of their former top players were absolutely mistreated (Both Wade and Bosh). Haslem who is a hometown guy has stayed with Miami eventhough other teams offered him better contracts, and still the Heat have turned their back on him multiple times. Riley has become a leader ruling with an iron fist, and I'm sure players have taken notice. I think they will have a harder time attracting free agents and will have to go the Clippers route and trade for a star player or two, while also adding a number of young stars from the draft (Which will be hard to do with us owning multiple picks). They have to change their current culture, because look at everything Wade did for them, and how they treated him once LeBron left. It's disgusting.

[Qwigglez]

Well being in Miami and having no income tax puts them ahead of other teams who have similar records IMO. But I agree on not trading the 2021 pick just yet.

[Villalobos]

Even if they have a good team by then, you shouldn't trade the pick because injuries can always happen and ruin a season.

[thamadkant]

Comparing Booker to Kevin Martin Is outrageous.

only compared to Martin, because of his lack of defense but excellent scoring abilities.

Booker is a better passer already... but being a negative defender at the perimeter these days means teams will just attack him until all game long.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Martin did average 23 points on 47 / 40 / 87 once, that's quite a favourable prime projection.

[SarcasticSun]

Thank goodness Aldridge chose not to sign here. Holy smokes we dodged a bullet. We probably would have made the playoffs as a low seed had he signed. Would have been a first round exit with no direction and a weird mix of young players and old players. Not to mention Aldridge is clearly declining as a player. What should be clear to everyone on this forum, absolutely no win-now moves should be made this offseason..build for Booker/Chriss prime years. I'm glad Sarver has acknowledged as much. This Warrior team has the next couple 'ships locked up barring injury.