Political Roundtable Part XVIII

[cammac]

Interesting how the Alt Right is analyzing the stock market correction!
Expect more Alt Right excuses from the Wacka Doodle Twins today.

“The reason our stock market is so successful is because of me,” Trump said in November. “I’ve always been great with money, I’ve always been great with jobs, that’s what I do. And I’ve done it well, I’ve done it really well, much better than people understand and they understand I’ve done well.”

“Is the historic -1500 DOW drop a false flag by the big banks?” tweeted InfoWars host Alex Jones, a moon-landing denier who counts President Trump among his fans. “Should we investigate Goldman Sachs?!”

Not every fringe fan of the president’s pinned the erasure of billions of dollars in wealth on a financial “false flag”—Goldman Sachs is unlikely to engineer a market correction when its alumni make up a stunning percentage of Trump Administration staffers and appointees—so other Trump supporters merely derided any attempts to connect President Trump with market performance.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alt-right-trump-fanboys-tap-dance-around-the-dow-drop?ref=home

[Zonkerbl]

Very sobering.

Watch on YouTube

Holy crap that was awesome.

[Zonkerbl]

Interesting how the Alt Right is analyzing the stock market correction!
Expect more Alt Right excuses from the Wacka Doodle Twins today.

“The reason our stock market is so successful is because of me,” Trump said in November. “I’ve always been great with money, I’ve always been great with jobs, that’s what I do. And I’ve done it well, I’ve done it really well, much better than people understand and they understand I’ve done well.”

“Is the historic -1500 DOW drop a false flag by the big banks?” tweeted InfoWars host Alex Jones, a moon-landing denier who counts President Trump among his fans. “Should we investigate Goldman Sachs?!”

Not every fringe fan of the president’s pinned the erasure of billions of dollars in wealth on a financial “false flag”—Goldman Sachs is unlikely to engineer a market correction when its alumni make up a stunning percentage of Trump Administration staffers and appointees—so other Trump supporters merely derided any attempts to connect President Trump with market performance.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alt-right-trump-fanboys-tap-dance-around-the-dow-drop?ref=home

A FALSE FLAG operation?!?!?! My god, how stupid are these people?

[cammac]

The next time you tip at a restaurant should bring the owner to your table and explain where that tip is going?

The audit follows a Bloomberg Law report that senior agency officials hid an unfavorable economic impact analysis from the proposed rulemaking. The analysis reportedly showed workers could lose billion of dollars in gratuities if the agency rescinds an Obama-era ban on tip pooling.

The proposed rulemaking would change the Labor Standards Act to allow employers to pool the tips of workers who make at least the federal minimum wage, which is $7.25 an hour, and share them with non-tipped workers.

Note: Some of the non-tipped workers could well be the owners!
Yes that massive $7.25 a hour is really a working wage?
http://thehill.com/regulation/labor/372399-labor-department-ig-to-investigate-tip-pooling-rule

[cammac]

Panic? Should Republican be worried in a house race that Trump won by 20pts. and the candidate is Trump before Trump!

The day after Conor Lamb won the Democratic nomination to run in this very pro-Donald Trump House district, Republican strategist Corry Bliss knew his party had another special election problem on its hands.

Bliss, who heads the main super PAC for House Republicans, arrived at his office at 6:30 a.m. and played an internet clip of Lamb, a telegenic 33-year-old former federal prosecutor and Marine veteran, speaking at a Democratic gathering. Then Bliss pulled up a video on social media of the Republican candidate he was tasked with helping, 59-year-old state legislator Rick Saccone.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/pennsylvania-republicans-special-election-389964

[cammac]

Truth being revealed in Nunes Memo

Republican leaders are acknowledging that the FBI disclosed the political origins of a private dossier the bureau cited in an application to surveil former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, undermining a controversial GOP memo released Friday and fueling Democratic demands to declassify more information about the bureau’s actions.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/fbi-footnote-carter-page-warrant-390795

[cammac]

Like a terrorist Trump loves holding hostages in this case 700,000 Dreamers.
Before that it was CHIP the man has no decency!

A bipartisan immigration proposal surfaced Monday in the Senate, only to be quickly knocked down by President Donald Trump via Twitter. Firing back, one senator pushing the narrowly focused compromise said Trump's "unconstructive engagement" has hurt congressional efforts to strike a broader deal.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/bipartisan-immigration-bill-surfaces-trump-knocks-it-down/ar-BBIL838?ocid=spartandhp

[dckingsfan]

^ I thought that was a pretty good tweet.

I see people are so worked up over my posting that they're googling me

Tell me that would have been in green font here...

Lol yes it would be in green here. The joke was that Democrats who voted Northam in the VA gubernatorial were somehow pro MS-13 according to Gillespie.

On a slightly different subject - is Antifa even a real thing? I had never heard of it until Charlottesville and it only appeared to be talked about by the alt-right Nazis there.

I think it is another dog whistle thing... If you aren't for them, you are against them. They are the masters at division.

[cammac]

Thou hath no shame category!
Pennsylvania try a coop of the State Supreme Court!

We’ve got a potential constitutional crisis boiling in Pennsylvania right now. In the wake of the US Supreme Court today allowing the PA redistricting to continue, Keystone Progress is reporting that Rep. Cris Dash (PA-66) is calling on other legislators to co-sponsor the impeachment of the 5 judges that signed the order to redistrict the state. This is very serious and resembles situations usually found in overtly authoritarian regimes. It’s a developing story and will be updated as new information becomes available.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/5/1739029/-BREAKING-PA-Republicans-To-Try-and-Impeach-the-State-Supreme-Court-Rather-than-Uphold-its-Ruling

[cammac]

Brownback may be gone from Kansas but his legacy lives on!

Those who haven’t eaten, those who are struggling to feed their children, those who are having some difficulty making one paycheck to the next, will come up to that pantry, and without asking questions or qualifying, are able to take cans of tuna fish, boxes of mac and cheese, peanut butter, bread and take that home," Fleetwood said.

Nearly a third of all workers in the Kansas justice system have starting salaries below the 2017 federal poverty level for a family of four, or $28,290. Every judicial branch job position pays below market rate, Kansas Supreme Court Chief Justice Lawton Nuss said last month in his State of the Judiciary speech.

Rep. Chuck Weber, R-Wichita, said he respects the people who work in the courts and said court employees who spoke to lawmakers on Monday made a great case. Everybody deserves more money, he said.

But speaking during the committee meeting, he framed the funding request in terms of priorities.

"How, if you were sitting on this side of the table, do you justify that person, that woman who’s taking care of grandma in a Medicaid-assisted hospital who hasn’t had a raise in nine years, or a corrections officer who’s at a prison, way below market value, mental health professionals…I’m just asking you to help me construct priorities on this side of the table," Weber said.

Brownback destroyed his State and Trump will destroy America! With having being pissed on economics!

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/6/1739157/-Kansas-opens-food-pantry-in-Sedgwick-County-courthouse-for-employees

[JWizmentality]

Boom!

Read on Twitter

I hearby declare that we the people shall henceforth refer to Trump as Cadet Bone Spurs.

[cammac]

Grassroots Healthcare Initiative
Worth the read!

United States of Care Launches With Aim of Achieving Affordable Care for Every American

Amid Federal Gridlock, Organization will Put Health Care Over Politics by Galvanizing Public Opinion and Taking the Conversation to the States
A diverse group of more than 50 prominent health care leaders, including Andy Slavitt, Bill Frist M.D., Atul Gawande M.D., Bernard Tyson, Steve Beshear, Cecilia Muñoz, Elena Hung, and Mark McClellan M.D., announce the launch of United States of Care
Minneapolis, MN – Today, a broad group of health care leaders from policy, patient advocate, clinical, business and innovation backgrounds launched United States of Care, a new non-partisan, non-profit organization leading a movement to ensure that every single American has access to quality, affordable health care regardless of health status, social need, or income.

Approximately 28 million people in the U.S. don’t have health insurance coverage, and even those with coverage can face devastating out-of-pocket costs. At the same time, intractable partisan politics in Washington, D.C. have led to an inability to come together to solve this very real problem. That is why United States of Care will work to put health care over politics and listen to the needs of Americans. Americans shouldn’t be healthy only if they’re lucky enough to afford it, and they shouldn’t have to wait for Washington to figure this out.

“Affordable health care should be available to every American, without exception,” says Andy Slavitt, Board Chair of United States of Care and former Acting Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services under President Barack Obama. “Time and time again, political agendas have wreaked havoc on health care initiatives, with outcomes favoring only certain Americans. It’s time to put the past behind us and move forward and engage in a dialogue with people across the country to find sustainable solutions that work for everyone.”

While health care continues to be seen as a deeply partisan issue in Washington, D.C., a recent survey commissioned by United States of Care indicates a clear majority of highly engaged voters across partisan lines—as many as 9 in ten—agree we must put health care over politics and work together towards a solution.

“In 2018 United States of Care will focus on listening to the needs and experiences of patients and families, as well as perspectives of medical and health care policy experts from across the political spectrum, supporting and developing solutions to improve the wellbeing of everyday Americans,” said United States of Care Executive Director Emily Barson. “Rather than being defined by a single political stance or legislative priority, we will begin work in the states to create real change that can be tested and improved upon and provide support for new ideas, which can become the basis for national models.”

Policies that United States of Care supports will need to meet three principles: every American should have a regular source of affordable care; no American should face financial devastation due to illness or injury; and solutions must be fiscally responsible and have broad political support.

“The health of our nation is more important than any political party or partisan victory,” says Bill Frist, M.D., former Senate Majority Leader and member of the United States of Care Board. “United States of Care will chart a path toward a long-term health care solution, starting by checking allegiances at the door and putting the patient—our citizens—first.”

While United States of Care will focus on bringing expertise to states and federal lawmakers to find economically and politically sustainable ideas, galvanizing support around policies that work for Americans and their families will be the central mission.

United States of Care will begin by launching a national listening tour to hear from stakeholders and developing resources and expertise to deliver real and lasting results. Americans from across the country will be invited to lead the conversation and join the movement by visiting unitedstatesofcare.org.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/6/1739148/-BREAKING-Andy-Slavitt-s-Mystery-Healthcare-Initiative-Revealed

[Zonkerbl]

Tell me that would have been in green font here...

Lol yes it would be in green here. The joke was that Democrats who voted Northam in the VA gubernatorial were somehow pro MS-13 according to Gillespie.

On a slightly different subject - is Antifa even a real thing? I had never heard of it until Charlottesville and it only appeared to be talked about by the alt-right Nazis there.

I think it is another dog whistle thing... If you aren't for them, you are against them. They are the masters at division.

My son went out to the Women's march with an antifa group. It's definitely a loose organization with a name. It's not a terrorist organization, it's a group of guys who thought one way they could help is to be prepared to stand up to fascist violence. I endorse that and the events at the Charlottesville march confirmed that it was a valid thing that was needed. There's a number of anecdotes up on facebook from Charlottesville of how antifa folks stood up to the nazis and prevented peaceful protestors from getting beaten up.

[cammac]

Category Trump Corporate Gift!
Jobs, Jobs, Jobs!
What no Jobs!

Verizon reported $17.2 billion of capital expenditures in calendar year 2017, with the net neutrality rules in place the entire year. In 2018, with the net neutrality rules about to come off the books, Verizon says its spending will come in slightly below or above that. Even at the high end of Verizon's forecast, the spending would not exceed its total of $17.8 billion in 2015, another year in which net neutrality rules were in place.

"Capital spending for 2018 will be in the range of $17.0 billion to $17.8 billion, including the commercial launch of 5G," Verizon said today in an announcement of its year-end financial results.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/2/5/1738925/-Verizon-says-it-won-t-invest-tax-cuts-in-upgrading-network-or-new-jobs-will-just-keep-profits

[Ruzious]

Hannity is blaming Obama for yesterday's stock market selloff. Is anyone surprised?

[closg00]

Interesting how the Alt Right is analyzing the stock market correction!
Expect more Alt Right excuses from the Wacka Doodle Twins today.

“The reason our stock market is so successful is because of me,” Trump said in November. “I’ve always been great with money, I’ve always been great with jobs, that’s what I do. And I’ve done it well, I’ve done it really well, much better than people understand and they understand I’ve done well.”

How stupid are they? Ever listen to conservative talk radio?

“Is the historic -1500 DOW drop a false flag by the big banks?” tweeted InfoWars host Alex Jones, a moon-landing denier who counts President Trump among his fans. “Should we investigate Goldman Sachs?!”

Not every fringe fan of the president’s pinned the erasure of billions of dollars in wealth on a financial “false flag”—Goldman Sachs is unlikely to engineer a market correction when its alumni make up a stunning percentage of Trump Administration staffers and appointees—so other Trump supporters merely derided any attempts to connect President Trump with market performance.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alt-right-trump-fanboys-tap-dance-around-the-dow-drop?ref=home

A FALSE FLAG operation?!?!?! My god, how stupid are these people?

[JWizmentality]

Hannity is blaming Obama for yesterday's stock market selloff. Is anyone surprised?

Yes, genuinely shocked. Hillary is always the default go to. You know, evil empire, deep state all that jazz.

BTW, I got my George Soros check in the mail today.

[gtn130]

FEMA Contract Called for 30 Million Meals for Puerto Ricans. 50,000 Were Delivered.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/06/us/fema-contract-puerto-rico.html

Swamp has been drained, folks. Time to get back to focusing on the FISA application process.

[dckingsfan]

Are you sure about that or did they just go underground? The majority of white people believe that white people face the most racism in the country. White pride was the reason Trump won every demographic of white people. I’ve asked you to point out where I’ve called people that simply disagree with me racist but you obviously can’t. I simply speak plainly when it comes to race and I don’t say anything that can’t be backed up by studies, research or evidence.

The biggest hurdle when it comes to race relations is that white people are actually more disgusted by being called racist than living in a white supremacist system. Most people of color could live with the garden variety racists that you’ll find on message boards as long as institutional racism was destroyed.

I could be wrong - maybe whites are still predominantly racist. Maybe there hasn't been any progress. But I can't find anecdotal or the data.

Show me the data where the country is becoming more racist?

Here are a couple articles and studies that discuss the idea of an attack on white people, how Trump won white voters (directly ties to the idea of supporting his racism or it not being a deal breaker), how whites and non whites view racism.

http://theconversation.com/the-dangerous-belief-that-white-people-are-under-attack-88622

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/blacks-white-racism-united-states-polls/index.html

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/12/15/16781222/trump-racism-economic-anxiety-study

Has progress been made in terms of public opinion? Sure. Look at the polling stats compared to how people supported the civil rights movement vs black lives matter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/19/black-lives-matters-and-americas-long-history-of-resisting-civil-rights-protesters/?utm_term=.0da3783cb3ff

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/08/how-americans-view-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

Although it’s not a tidy comparison, the amount of people that neither (approve or disapprove) on the broad subject of civil rights has grown since the 60’s. So my question is dckingsfan, did attitudes change or are people just less willing to be upfront about their beliefs on race? I think worrying about being called a racist actually takes away from being able to correctly identity racist intent and more importantly racial policies that disproportionately affect people of color.

Okay, read all the articles and the sub-links, they were informative and worth reading. But it doesn't change my opinion that the country is still going in the right direction (see the last paragraph for what did change).

I still think that the country has made good and steady progress. But, like the recent stock market correction, we are having a bit of a correction now but still headed in the right direction.

If you have just gone through the Trump debacle - it might now seem that way. Trump was able to appeal to the anger out there (and there is lots of anger). Much of that anger is due to the failing of our local/state/federal government services. It is due to unfair tax policy. And those voters wanted change - they wanted to blow up the status quo and they came out and voted. And if Hillary's campaign was half-way decent, we wouldn't be talking about Trump. And Trump vilified as many camps as he could to develop a base.

But, if you can put the Trump election aside and look at the progress from say the 60s - then it might be easier to see (or if you are old, then you experienced it).

One article that jumped out at me (and was very compelling) is the frustration with the rate with which the country is changing. And that can't be understated. The longer it takes, the more frustration there will be... An example would be those in prison for low-level drug offenses. Really? We can't take care of that?

So, I still think the country is going in the right direction (in terms of social justice). I just don't think we are going there fast enough. I worry that since this is a local/state/federal level issue - it is going to be tough to get there quickly.

And I worry that not having either party focused on sustainable government will just exacerbate the situation. See Kansas and Illinois and the federal government cutting programs due to the outlay/revenue imbalance.

[Jamaaliver]

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