Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[deneem4]

Magic would do Lonzo Ingram and deng for wall....
Ernie wouldn’t

[Dark Faze]

I wonder if Houston would accept Mahinmi and Oubre for Capela. Maybe something close to a max, but not quite. Something around 23 a season? Meanwhile maybe Houston gets a guy they think can be "close enough" to Clint, and a young player who could fill Ariza's role if not exceed it.

*shrugs*

How much better though would Capela actually make us? Idk

[nate33]

Lakers would probably like Wall, the tax is not an issue so long as it doesn't prevent them from getting Kawhi. Main issue is that Magic isn't focusing on anyone who hasn't expressed a willingness to be a free agent.

If Wall has any interest in leaving DC, he needs to do it while his contract is easily traded for.

LA Trades: Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Luol Deng
LA Receives: John Wall, Kawhi Leonard

San Antonio trades: Kawhi Leonard
San Antonio recieves: Brandon Ingram, Jason Smith

Washington trades: John Wall, Jason Smith
Washington receives: Lonzo Ball, Luol Deng.

LA gets two win now superstars in their prime in exchange for their young players, and they get to try and win a title this year rather than waiting for Kawhi to come in 2019. By dumping Deng, they retain some luxtax sanity so they can add to their core.

San Antonio gets value for Kawhi rather than letting him walk next summer for nothing.

Washington gets out of Wall's awful contract and replaces him with a young guy with Jason Kidd potential. Ultimately, they punt on their current hopeless core and position themselves to rebuild for something else down the road. In 2020, Mahinmi and Deng come off the books leaving them with Ball, Beal, Brown, Porter, Sato, Oubre and their 2019 pick at a payroll of $73M plus whatever Oubre and Sato cost. That could leave them with max cap room a year after many teams have shot their free agency wad.

[Dark Faze]

This FO is too shy to deal with Lavar Ball. Can you imagine how much **** he'd be talking on this FO?

[JWizmentality]

Butler for Beal in a NY minute. Please god I don't ask for much!!

[80sballboy]

They are going to move Ball before the season begins. Good luck.

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[JAR69]

Lakers would probably like Wall, the tax is not an issue so long as it doesn't prevent them from getting Kawhi. Main issue is that Magic isn't focusing on anyone who hasn't expressed a willingness to be a free agent.

If Wall has any interest in leaving DC, he needs to do it while his contract is easily traded for.

LA Trades: Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Luol Deng
LA Receives: John Wall, Kawhi Leonard

San Antonio trades: Kawhi Leonard
San Antonio recieves: Brandon Ingram, Jason Smith

Washington trades: John Wall, Jason Smith
Washington receives: Lonzo Ball, Luol Deng.

LA gets two win now superstars in their prime in exchange for their young players, and they get to try and win a title this year rather than waiting for Kawhi to come in 2019. By dumping Deng, they retain some luxtax sanity so they can add to their core.

San Antonio gets value for Kawhi rather than letting him walk next summer for nothing.

Washington gets out of Wall's awful contract and replaces him with a young guy with Jason Kidd potential. Ultimately, they punt on their current hopeless core and position themselves to rebuild for something else down the road. In 2020, Mahinmi and Deng come off the books leaving them with Ball, Beal, Brown, Porter, Sato, Oubre and their 2019 pick at a payroll of $73M plus whatever Oubre and Sato cost. That could leave them with max cap room a year after many teams have shot their free agency wad.

I'm OK with that, but does it work in the trade checker? It seems like LA isn't sending out enough salary. And while I would like the Wizards to get another asset back (maybe a protected 1st?), I could live with it for the reasons you outline.

[Dark Faze]

If all it took to get Kawhi was Brandon Ingram and filler the deal would be done. SA wants a first, Kuzma, and Ingram with a salary inclded to make it work that isn't Deng.

[80sballboy]

If all it took to get Kawhi was Brandon Ingram and filler the deal would be done. SA wants a first, Kuzma, and Ingram with a salary inclded to make it work that isn't Deng.

They aren't trading him to the Western Conference unless they get 3 first-round picks. I think he goes East.

[nate33]

If all it took to get Kawhi was Brandon Ingram and filler the deal would be done. SA wants a first, Kuzma, and Ingram with a salary inclded to make it work that isn't Deng.

San Antonio has no leverage. They can try to hold a firm line for a while, but they'll cave sooner or later. Nobody else is going to trade much for Kawhi since he has made it clear he wants to go to LA and LA has made it clear that they will have the cap room to sign him.

Frankly, LA is being generous in giving them Ingram.

[Dark Faze]

If all it took to get Kawhi was Brandon Ingram and filler the deal would be done. SA wants a first, Kuzma, and Ingram with a salary inclded to make it work that isn't Deng.

San Antonio has no leverage. They can try to hold a firm line for a while, but they'll cave sooner or later. Nobody else is going to trade much for Kawhi since he has made it clear he wants to go to LA and LA has made it clear that they will have the cap room to sign him.

Frankly, LA is being generous in giving them Ingram.

As well as LeBron has aged, wasting a year of his career at this stage while giving Kawhi an entire season to fall in love with another situation or make up with Pop is a horrible bet

[nate33]

If all it took to get Kawhi was Brandon Ingram and filler the deal would be done. SA wants a first, Kuzma, and Ingram with a salary inclded to make it work that isn't Deng.

San Antonio has no leverage. They can try to hold a firm line for a while, but they'll cave sooner or later. Nobody else is going to trade much for Kawhi since he has made it clear he wants to go to LA and LA has made it clear that they will have the cap room to sign him.

Frankly, LA is being generous in giving them Ingram.

As well as LeBron has aged, wasting a year of his career at this stage while giving Kawhi an entire season to fall in love with another situation or make up with Pop is a horrible bet

If I'm LA, I hold firm. But hey, maybe they can throw in a pick. It's not like it'll be a high pick. I wouldn't throw in Kuzma though. LA needs some really cheap bodies who can play

[dckingsfan]

I am guess with who we have added our trade assets are Oubre and Satoransky, no? And given that we now have a pair of centers, they probably want to package one of them with Mahimni? Oubre and Mahimni to Sac?

[pcbothwel]

I am guess with who we have added our trade assets are Oubre and Satoransky, no? And given that we now have a pair of centers, they probably want to package one of them with Mahimni? Oubre and Mahimni to Sac?

I mentioned this in the offseason thread, but I would gauge the interest of the Bulls with Felicio/ Asik and the Bucks about Snell.
Both are feasible trades straight up for Mahinmi.

[Black Mage]

Sorry, I avoid the pupu platters. Just want one of them. I'd prefer Beal, but not sure what you guys would think is fair.

Doubt you'd want to wait for that 2021 Miami pick.

Don't think you guys have the assets tbh. More importantly why would we trade with you. Any trade we make would be to free up cap space and put together a more competitive team going forward. Trading Beal or Porter to you would make you significantly better and directly hurt our chances to be competitive.

Of course we'd trade with Philly. & how anyone can think the Sixers don't have the assets to acquire Beal... that beats me! Perhaps they don't want to trade those assets -- but they certainly have them.

We'd trade w/ them or any team, if we thought the trade made us better. Ditto in the other direction. Duh.

I know you don't like "pupu platters," but could we at least send Ernie Grunfeld along with Beal?

Can we stretch and waive Ernie?

[Black Mage]

HOLMES !!!

Throw in the kid from DeMatha and a 1st, you can have them both

Sorry, I avoid the pupu platters. Just want one of them. I'd prefer Beal, but not sure what you guys would think is fair.

Doubt you'd want to wait for that 2021 Miami pick.

Depends... Do you take on Mahinmi? Do we take on Bayless?
Assuming just Beal... We'd take bayless off your hands, but I'd want a good bit of controllable, if underwhelming, talent. Zhaire, Fultz, Korkmaz, picks.
Im not sure how you'll value them though. How do you view Covington? Fultz?

Beal and Mahinmi (40 mil)

For

Covington, Redick, Bayless, 2021 Miami and a 2020 Sixer 1st. (32 million) with 21 to 21 million coming off books 2019 offseason.

Covington is a more natural 4 that can guard up to 2's. Redick gives you a fill in at SG. Bayless is an expiring tossed in to make numbers work.

[prime1time]

Sorry, I avoid the pupu platters. Just want one of them. I'd prefer Beal, but not sure what you guys would think is fair.

Doubt you'd want to wait for that 2021 Miami pick.

Don't think you guys have the assets tbh. More importantly why would we trade with you. Any trade we make would be to free up cap space and put together a more competitive team going forward. Trading Beal or Porter to you would make you significantly better and directly hurt our chances to be competitive.

Of course we'd trade with Philly. & how anyone can think the Sixers don't have the assets to acquire Beal... that beats me! Perhaps they don't want to trade those assets -- but they certainly have them.

We'd trade w/ them or any team, if we thought the trade made us better. Ditto in the other direction. Duh.

I know you don't like "pupu platters," but could we at least send Ernie Grunfeld along with Beal?

What are these assets you refer to? Outside of Embiid, Simmons and Fultz, what is the deal that the 76ers could realistically put together to get Beal? Also assuming they can get Beal without going up any of those 3, please explain to me how the Wizards would be competing with them now that they have Fultz, Beal, Embiid and Simmons? Trades are not just about making your team better. There are also about not helping your key opponents.

But enough of the abstract. What is a realistic deal that the 76ers could put together? Saric, Covington and a 1st round pick? Saric and a 1st rounder? Covington and a first rounder? Philly's picks with Beal in addition to Embiid, Fultz and Simmons will be so low that they lose value. But I'm all ears if you want to try out actual trade scenarios.

[dckingsfan]

Don't think you guys have the assets tbh. More importantly why would we trade with you. Any trade we make would be to free up cap space and put together a more competitive team going forward. Trading Beal or Porter to you would make you significantly better and directly hurt our chances to be competitive.

Of course we'd trade with Philly. & how anyone can think the Sixers don't have the assets to acquire Beal... that beats me! Perhaps they don't want to trade those assets -- but they certainly have them.

We'd trade w/ them or any team, if we thought the trade made us better. Ditto in the other direction. Duh.

I know you don't like "pupu platters," but could we at least send Ernie Grunfeld along with Beal?

What are these assets you refer to? Outside of Embiid, Simmons and Fultz, what is the deal that the 76ers could realistically put together to get Beal? Also assuming they can get Beal without going up any of those 3, please explain to me how the Wizards would be competing with them now that they have Fultz, Beal, Embiid and Simmons? Trades are not just about making your team better. There are also about not helping your key opponents.

But enough of the abstract. What is a realistic deal that the 76ers could put together? Saric, Covington and a 1st round pick? Saric and a 1st rounder? Covington and a first rounder? Philly's picks with Beal in addition to Embiid, Fultz and Simmons will be so low that they lose value. But I'm all ears if you want to try out actual trade scenarios.

The more you put it that way, the more I think Grunfeld will pull the trigger.

[prime1time]

Sorry, I avoid the pupu platters. Just want one of them. I'd prefer Beal, but not sure what you guys would think is fair.

Doubt you'd want to wait for that 2021 Miami pick.

Depends... Do you take on Mahinmi? Do we take on Bayless?
Assuming just Beal... We'd take bayless off your hands, but I'd want a good bit of controllable, if underwhelming, talent. Zhaire, Fultz, Korkmaz, picks.
Im not sure how you'll value them though. How do you view Covington? Fultz?

Beal and Mahinmi (40 mil)

For

Covington, Redick, Bayless, 2021 Miami and a 2020 Sixer 1st. (32 million) with 21 to 21 million coming off books 2019 offseason.

Covington is a more natural 4 that can guard up to 2's. Redick gives you a fill in at SG. Bayless is an expiring tossed in to make numbers work.

Ahh something concrete. On paper I think it's a plausible deal, but I never see the Wiz agreeing to it. Well, i don't see this iteration of the Wizards agreeing with it. Beal is a foundational peace. The Wizards are currently trying to win with there foundation, not destroy it. The only way a trade like this happens is if we get to the point where we can see no way forward with our current core. And even then, I'm much more inclined to keep Beal and Porter and get rid of Wall. But yeah, Beal, Wall and Porter aren't going anywhere until it is obvious that they cannot win.

[pcbothwel]

Sorry, I avoid the pupu platters. Just want one of them. I'd prefer Beal, but not sure what you guys would think is fair.

Doubt you'd want to wait for that 2021 Miami pick.

Depends... Do you take on Mahinmi? Do we take on Bayless?
Assuming just Beal... We'd take bayless off your hands, but I'd want a good bit of controllable, if underwhelming, talent. Zhaire, Fultz, Korkmaz, picks.
Im not sure how you'll value them though. How do you view Covington? Fultz?

Beal and Mahinmi (40 mil)

For

Covington, Redick, Bayless, 2021 Miami and a 2020 Sixer 1st. (32 million) with 21 to 21 million coming off books 2019 offseason.

Covington is a more natural 4 that can guard up to 2's. Redick gives you a fill in at SG. Bayless is an expiring tossed in to make numbers work.

Not enough... also, Redick complicates matters as he cant be traded until December... not sure how you make up the salary without gutting your youth.