Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[SO_MONEY]

There better be like 3 draft picks for what little HOU has to offer who fit with MN.

[KGdaBom]

Gordon and three first round picks works for me. Even if they are Houston picks one is likely to turn out good and we could get lucky and two turn out.

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[KGdaBom]

Late word has the Wizards making a push for Butler. If they are including Porter done deal.

[wolves_89]

Late word has the Wizards making a push for Butler. If they are including Porter done deal.

Porter has been my best case scenario for a while. I've thought a deal around Butler for Porter made a lot of sense in terms of potential trade destinations. Washington needs to do something to get off the treadmill and Porter would be a great fit in Minnesota (Porter is also the single best piece that is realistically available).

[AirP.]

Late word has the Wizards making a push for Butler. If they are including Porter done deal.

Wonderful, 2 bad max contracts, that's how you build a contender!

Porter would fit in good but man, 50-70 million for Wiggins and Porter, then adding in Towns 30-35 million. For some reason, if I don't think it's going to work much better with Towns and Wiggins then it did for Wall and Beal.

[KGdaBom]

Late word has the Wizards making a push for Butler. If they are including Porter done deal.

Wonderful, 2 bad max contracts, that's how you build a contender!

Porter would fit in good but man, 50-70 million for Wiggins and Porter, then adding in Towns 30-35 million. For some reason, if I don't think it's going to work much better with Towns and Wiggins then it did for Wall and Beal.

Porter is totally worth his Max contract.

[SO_MONEY]

Late word has the Wizards making a push for Butler. If they are including Porter done deal.

Wonderful, 2 bad max contracts, that's how you build a contender!

Porter would fit in good but man, 50-70 million for Wiggins and Porter, then adding in Towns 30-35 million. For some reason, if I don't think it's going to work much better with Towns and Wiggins then it did for Wall and Beal.

Porter is totally worth his Max contract.

No, not really.

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[AirP.]

Late word has the Wizards making a push for Butler. If they are including Porter done deal.

Wonderful, 2 bad max contracts, that's how you build a contender!

Porter would fit in good but man, 50-70 million for Wiggins and Porter, then adding in Towns 30-35 million. For some reason, if I don't think it's going to work much better with Towns and Wiggins then it did for Wall and Beal.

Porter is totally worth his Max contract.

He's a good player but he's just a high level role player.

[m2002brian]

Legit???

https://247sports.com/Article/Opposing-GM-calls-Jimmy-Butler-immature-and-selfish-122606607/

[AirP.]

Legit???

https://247sports.com/Article/Opposing-GM-calls-Jimmy-Butler-immature-and-selfish-122606607/

I'd think so, I could see why someone would say that.

[wolves_89]

Late word has the Wizards making a push for Butler. If they are including Porter done deal.

Wonderful, 2 bad max contracts, that's how you build a contender!

Porter would fit in good but man, 50-70 million for Wiggins and Porter, then adding in Towns 30-35 million. For some reason, if I don't think it's going to work much better with Towns and Wiggins then it did for Wall and Beal.

Two questions I ask myself about proposed Butler trades. First, does the deal make the Wolves a solid playoff team for the next year or two. Second, are the Wolves getting back assets or picks that have the potential to provide a solid contribution in 3-4 years time. In a trade with Houston the answer to both questions is very likely no. At least with Porter we would be getting a player who could realistically be a very good starter both now and 3 years down the road. Plus, I'd rate Porter as a much, much better player than Gordon.

[KGdaBom]

Wonderful, 2 bad max contracts, that's how you build a contender!

Porter would fit in good but man, 50-70 million for Wiggins and Porter, then adding in Towns 30-35 million. For some reason, if I don't think it's going to work much better with Towns and Wiggins then it did for Wall and Beal.

Porter is totally worth his Max contract.

He's a good player but he's just a high level role player.

I don't care role player or not. He is great.

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Legit???

https://247sports.com/Article/Opposing-GM-calls-Jimmy-Butler-immature-and-selfish-122606607/

I'd think so, I could see why someone would say that.

Keep in mind, Sam Amico could be putting out a story that a GM wants out there. If people listen, he benefits by reducing the trade value or trading partners. Even if he doesn’t trade for Jimmy, he is getting ahead of complaints, if Jimmy gets traded elsewhere at a bargain price.

It’s not the first time a reporter has done a source a favor by planting a story for him, and he gets rewarded later with inside access. It’s definitely not the first time Amico has done it.

[Calinks]

Otto Porter please

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Legit???

https://247sports.com/Article/Opposing-GM-calls-Jimmy-Butler-immature-and-selfish-122606607/

hes saying what most wolves fans on here are saying.

[wolves_89]

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Woj podcast where he and Bobby Marks talk for 45min about the Butler situation. A few takeaways I had:
- Dealing a player like Butler takes more than a week or two, Minnesota needs to be patient to get an acceptable deal
- Almost every other trade for a player at Butler's level took 2-3 months
- Taylor is really screwing things up by inserting himself into the trade process
- Rare to do a deal before December 15 (when newly signed FA can be traded)
- Wolves aren't going to find a deal like the Spurs did for Kawhi (where they get back an all-star level talent)
- They don't see this ending quickly unless Taylor forces a deal (which is unlikely be a good deal for the Wolves)

[AirP.]

Porter is totally worth his Max contract.

He's a good player but he's just a high level role player.

I don't care role player or not. He is great.

He is good, I don't see any team saying... oh man, don't let Porter get on a role, he'll carry them.

He had 16 20+ games last year, he also had 16 games of 9 or few points.

Also 4 seasons he's made the playoffs averaging 10 pts, 6.3 reb, 1.6 ast.

2 max slots and getting 4 total assists from the 2 of them.... maybe the PF or Towns will pick up those assist numbers.

[Calinks]

The Taylor thing worried me. A lot of fans were happy he was wanting to get something done but I am worried he is rushing. Take the time to get a deal we can live with.

[Domejandro]

Legit???

https://247sports.com/Article/Opposing-GM-calls-Jimmy-Butler-immature-and-selfish-122606607/

I am completely joking with this blue text, because I obviously cannot do this, but....'

The next poster to put cite anything with the name Sam Amico gets a twenty-four hour ban!!!

Joking aside, the reason for that fake-threat is that Sam Amico is a known plagiarist who has been caught making up sources. Here is a long post from a couple years back I had on him.

This is a start to a much larger concept/thread that I hope to make, but hopefully you all can bear with me and provide a bit of input to help me out in the process.

To put it briefly (as to not scare off the help), I am interested in grading out the integrity of various NBA-analysts/journalists to dictate who presents legitimate information, and expose/recognize those that are brazenly dishonest, or are questionable with their proposed "sources". Given that we have entered an "Era of Online Propaganda", it is more important than ever to promote those that maintain their integrity, and condemn those that shill out to their employers and audiences.

The catalyst to this thread being made is Sam Amico, a Cleveland reporter who has (for over three years now) continually lied to shovel various reports that are heavily slanted in favour of the Cleveland Cavaliers. He is easily in the "Top three Domejandro Hack List", as he takes already given reports and LIES about their content.

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I clicked the link so you do not have to do so. Essentially it is a poorly written mess that is titled....

Report: Suns would trade Bledsoe, Jackson for Irving

This article states that....

We can now add the Phoenix Suns to the list of teams trying to acquire Cleveland Cavaliers star point guard Kyrie Irving.

According to ESPN, the Suns would consider trading guard Eric Bledsoe, this year’s first-round draft pick Josh Jackson, and a future pick in exchange for Irving.

This is brazenly false, and the article has NO LINKED CITATIONS, which is an absolute "no-no" for anyone with any form of journalistic integrity. Luckily (or should I say "unluckily" for Mr. Amico), I know that this is directly misquoted from a Zach Lowe article that has a Brian Windhorst video at the top. Here is a typed-transcript of Brian Windhorst....

....Well talking to some executives today, the (uh) they think that the team that can make the best offer to the Cleveland Cavs for Kyrie Irving is the Phoenix Suns (um) because they have a package that could offer with Eric Bledsoe (uh) and possibly, what about this guy they just drafted, Josh Jackson? That would be the big question, would they be willing to include that prized young piece, that prized young player, in a package (uh) for Kyrie Irving? It's unclear at this point (um), and one of the things we are going to see when this (uh) when this plays itself out - Kyrie has given the Cavs a preferred list - how forceful is he going to be to that list?"

Zach Lowe further speculates on the Phoenix trade, commenting that....

Everyone wants to swap Irving for Eric Bledsoe, a nice replacement who shares an agent with James. But what else is Phoenix sending? The combination of Jared Dudley, a snug fit around LeBron, and a future first-round pick probably isn't getting it done -- even if the Suns swallow Iman Shumpert. Phoenix isn't tossing in Devin Booker. Josh Jackson could be the swing piece after Phoenix and Cleveland indeed talked around the draft about a swap involving the No. 4 pick, but the Suns were thrilled Jackson landed there. If the Suns relent on Jackson, Cleveland and Phoenix might be able to work a simple two-team deal.

Sam Amico is a disgusting, disgusting shell of a "reporter" who continually writes hit pieces on players to feed his audience of individuals who buy into his nonsense. Everything he writes is grossly slanted in ways to boost up Cleveland, and prove how well they are doing.

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I have spent days explaining to people that the various claims surrounding Kyrie Irving are completely untrue, and yet, right here in this article Sam Amico propagates every single false talking point about Kyrie Irving to prove that moving on from him is an obvious, and easy move to make. I keep considering writing a full piece that would take me at least a day of work on the Kyrie Irving situation that explains why he wants out, but I become apathetic when I see countless people who are considered legitimate in the journalistic field promote blatantly false information; it sucks given that people will point at these "reports" as ways to discredit anyone who claims otherwise.

Digression aside, here is a portion of the article (which once again shows that he is allergic to linked-sources, though he is the master at linking his own articles together, so clearly he knows how to do it)....

After all, why else would Irving leave? If he truly wants a team to call his own, couldn’t he just wait a year, until LeBron bolts? The Cavs would be Irving’s and Irving’s alone.

But if LeBron doesn’t leave … well, it will continue to be James’ team. And that is apparently something Irving can’t handle.

So owner Dan Gilbert, general-manager-in-waiting Koby Altman and the Cavs should consider all of this. They should consider that Irving wants winning to come easily, or not at all.

Irving doesn’t want anyone on the team to be a better player than him, or even his equal.

If you’re the Cavs, is that type of player you want? Are those the type of players you should put next to a winner such as James?

It’s not fair to James, it’s not fair to the franchise, and it’s not even fair to Irving. If winning isn’t the most important thing to him, then by all means, the Cavs need to move on.

He seems to catch himself in his own paradox, but manages to weasel out of it by stating that this is proof of Kyrie Irving's irrationality! That is the madness of these reports, the situation is fascinatingly multi-layered, but hacks like Sam Amico fiend for page-clicks, and retain their audience by selling-out to becoming a megaphone for what fans want to hear, rather than the truth that they should hear.

Sam Amico loves to play to his audience, and tweeting multiple glowing things of Andrew Wiggins after Cleveland drafted him such as....

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Sam Amico was also among those that claimed....

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....but that aside, once Minnesota got Andrew Wiggins, his tune towards Wiggins changed sharply.

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While this pales in comparison to how serious his other dishonest reports are, it is further evidence of his intent to peddle silliness to a Cleveland-based audience throughout the years. It is painful, and I find it shocking that some still debate using his talking points.

That is actually a brief and lazily cobbled together version of my full complaints with him (eventually I hope to write something much more scathing if I find the time; working off of two hours of sleep in the past forty-eight hours makes it difficult to be coherent), but my hopes are that people can present examples of negative reporting from various individuals, and showcase other reporters that are reputable.

What is incredibly important is that all because somebody reports something you don't like does not mean they are inherently "wrong" or "dishonest"; that defeats the entire purpose of this exercise. Often times a dishonest reporter can be found by how much they cater to the audience that they are supposedly reporting for....

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He has it coming for his recent "reporting"; he's clearly speculating.