The Jaylen Nowell Thread

wolves_89 · Post #301 » by **wolves_89** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:06 pm

With the positive talk about Nowell, I'm wondering what the Wolves plan is for him this off-season. They can sign him to an extension, make him a restricted FA, or wait until next off-season when he will be an unrestricted free agent.

Post #302 » by **Klomp** » Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:09 pm

wolves_89 wrote:With the positive talk about Nowell, I'm wondering what the Wolves plan is for him this off-season. They can sign him to an extension, make him a restricted FA, or wait until next off-season when he will be an unrestricted free agent.

I bet he'll be extended

minimus · Post #303 » by **minimus** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:25 am

wolves_89 wrote:With the positive talk about Nowell, I'm wondering what the Wolves plan is for him this off-season. They can sign him to an extension, make him a restricted FA, or wait until next off-season when he will be an unrestricted free agent.

I hope they re-sign him, but he might want to test FA market.

minimus · Post #304 » by **minimus** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:33 am

shrink wrote:

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Wow. This is big. Lumping Jaylen in with Ant and McDaniels is a huge show of confidence, particularly since this is coming before the team engages him in contract negotiations!

It’s not unwarranted. Here are Jaylen Nowell’s PER36 numbers

FG .475, 3P .394 on 5.9 3PA, RB 4.5, APG 4.8, 19.5 PPG

I have never seen him as a replacement for Beasley. Malik shot a ridiculous 11.6 3PA PER36, at .377. If a player is shooting this many, these aren’t the easier catch-and-shoot. Beasley’s gravity is greater as well, because he’s one of only 5-6 players in the NBA who are a significant three point threat on the run. I’ve always seen Nowell as more of an Ant backup than a Beasley backup, and that one particular skill is important.

However, it sounds to me that Nowell is getting an endorsement from Finch over Beasley, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see Malik traded to find more minutes for Nowell. Hopefully DLo’s absence will give Jaylen more opportunities as well.

I think the key here development of Moore and Moore as defensive minded combo guards (and Kessler as drop big). Let me explain. Right now the biggest strength of our bench unit is ability to shoot 3s. There was a stretch of games in the beginning of 2022 when they completely dominated opponent bench. So we build on top of this shooting ability of TP, Beasley. So the last man in rotation was JMac, who can control tempo, takes care of the ball can slash and pass. He is the best complimentary player to Beasley and TP. Hopefully with development of Moore and Bolmaro (and Kessler as drop big), we can form a defensive group Kessler-MCD-Moore-Bolmaro where Nowell fits as PnR creator.

P.S. One big question I have is why we don't use Reid as much we did two years ago in league? I remember at some point our offence was built around handoffs with Reid, who could develop as passing big. Right now we kind of abandoned these plays. I am wondering why, because I can see some potential in Reid-Nowell, Kessler-Nowell combos. I really wish we improve our chemistry to this level. Maybe it is just Reid lacking experience to play in such type of offence.

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minimus · Post #305 » by **minimus** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:57 pm

MIA are going to offer Herro 125 / 5 deal. Is he much better than Nowell?

KGdaBom · Post #306 » by **KGdaBom** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:23 pm

minimus wrote:MIA are going to offer Herro 125 / 5 deal. Is he much better than Nowell?

He is a lot better than Nowell, but that IMO is crazy money.

Nick K · Post #307 » by **Nick K** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:46 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
minimus wrote:MIA are going to offer Herro 125 / 5 deal. Is he much better than Nowell?

He is a lot better than Nowell, but that IMO is crazy money.

It's all crazy money to play a sport you'd play for free.

winforlose · Post #308 » by **winforlose** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:12 am

Some good stuff in here about Nowell.

https://zonecoverage.com/2022/timberwolves/what-does-chris-finchs-praise-for-jaylen-nowell-mean-for-minnesotas-future/

winforlose · Post #309 » by **winforlose** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:16 am

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Neeva · Post #310 » by **Neeva** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:28 am

minimus wrote:MIA are going to offer Herro 125 / 5 deal. Is he much better than Nowell?

They will regret this after he signs like with Duncan Robinson. Herro and Robinson were meh and useless in the playoffs.

winforlose · Post #311 » by **winforlose** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:18 am

There is an interesting conversation on Canis I will link to at the bottom. But someone posted this and it threw me for a loop. I don’t know enough about advanced stats to explain it, but these numbers if true are shocking. Credit to Canis user Imyourhuckelberry,

“ Is it possible you're giving too much credit to that one stat, which could be impacted by having less effective players around him in the minutes Nowell was on the court compared to Beasley's minutes.

The LEBRON advanced stat has Beasley and Nowell as virtually equals on defense. Beasley has more moments of good plays on team defense. Nowell had some solid individual defensive plays. Neither is a good defender, but Nowell likely has more potential to improve.

On the other hand, even if Beasley were the better defender, the offense was enough better with Nowell on the floor to offset any defensive detriment there. On the 3rd hand, when Nowell and Beasley played together(394 minutes), the team had an ORtg of 118.6 and a DRtg of 106.4.

If those 2 guys are such notably terrible defenders, how did only 1 NBA team finish last season with a better defensive rating than when those 2 were paired together on the court?”

https://www.canishoopus.com/2022/7/21/23270612/which-player-skill-development-best-improves-minnesota-timberwolves-title-odds-nba-draft-kings#comments

Post #312 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jul 28, 2022 7:18 pm

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winforlose · Post #313 » by **winforlose** » Thu Jul 28, 2022 7:58 pm

Klomp wrote:

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On the hand he is one of our best isolation scorers. On the other hand he is a good passer and has BBIQ for drive and kick. I think aside from his defense the real question for Nowell is whether he is a PG, SG, or both. Lob dunks are just icing on his cake.

Post #314 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:01 pm

winforlose wrote:On the hand he is one of our best isolation scorers. On the other hand he is a good passer and has BBIQ for drive and kick. I think aside from his defense the real question for Nowell is whether he is a PG, SG, or both. Lob dunks are just icing on his cake.

And defense won't necessarily be a concern with Gobert behind him

winforlose · Post #315 » by **winforlose** » Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:09 pm

Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:On the hand he is one of our best isolation scorers. On the other hand he is a good passer and has BBIQ for drive and kick. I think aside from his defense the real question for Nowell is whether he is a PG, SG, or both. Lob dunks are just icing on his cake.

And defense won't necessarily be a concern with Gobert behind him

I wish I could give you plus 3 for that. That is always the thing to remember. With Rudy behind you, everything is just a little easier. That said everyone has to work hard and not just dump everything on Rudy (the Utah method the past two or three years,) but he is the best safety net in the league by a wide margin.

Dewey · Post #316 » by **Dewey** » Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:56 pm

Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:On the hand he is one of our best isolation scorers. On the other hand he is a good passer and has BBIQ for drive and kick. I think aside from his defense the real question for Nowell is whether he is a PG, SG, or both. Lob dunks are just icing on his cake.

And defense won't necessarily be a concern with Gobert behind him

Complete opposite of what Finch wants/expects… in no way does he want a perimeter player to think they can be a so-so defender because Gobert is there… that’s what Utah perimeter guys thought and he where’s their team today???

winforlose · Post #317 » by **winforlose** » Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:02 pm

Dewey wrote:
Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:On the hand he is one of our best isolation scorers. On the other hand he is a good passer and has BBIQ for drive and kick. I think aside from his defense the real question for Nowell is whether he is a PG, SG, or both. Lob dunks are just icing on his cake.

And defense won't necessarily be a concern with Gobert behind him

Complete opposite of what Finch wants/expects… in no way does he want a perimeter player to think they can be a so-so defender because Gobert is there… that’s what Utah perimeter guys thought and he where’s their team today???

No one is suggesting not playing defense or slacking on defense. He and I are simply pointing out that it is different to get beat with KAT in the paint than it is to get beat with Rudy in the paint. Rudy is a fail safe, not an excuse to not do the work.

SO_MONEY · Post #318 » by **SO_MONEY** » Fri Jul 29, 2022 1:05 am

winforlose wrote:
Klomp wrote:

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On the hand he is one of our best isolation scorers. On the other hand he is a good passer and has BBIQ for drive and kick. I think aside from his defense the real question for Nowell is whether he is a PG, SG, or both. Lob dunks are just icing on his cake.

I think there is sufficient evidence he isn't a PG, they tried, it didn't work. That's okay...he is still talented just the same.

winforlose · Post #319 » by **winforlose** » Fri Jul 29, 2022 1:11 am

SO_MONEY wrote:
winforlose wrote:
Klomp wrote:

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On the hand he is one of our best isolation scorers. On the other hand he is a good passer and has BBIQ for drive and kick. I think aside from his defense the real question for Nowell is whether he is a PG, SG, or both. Lob dunks are just icing on his cake.

I think there is sufficient evidence he isn't a PG, they tried, it didn't work. That's okay...he is still talented just the same.

I am not 100% sure that is true. I am not saying the transition is finished and he is 100% to start when Dlo is out, but I think the fact that he is working on lobs is a potential sign they are going to continue the transition. Of course everyone is learning to lob so it is far from dispositive, but I wouldn’t give up on it yet.

SO_MONEY · Post #320 » by **SO_MONEY** » Fri Jul 29, 2022 3:01 pm

winforlose wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
winforlose wrote:
On the hand he is one of our best isolation scorers. On the other hand he is a good passer and has BBIQ for drive and kick. I think aside from his defense the real question for Nowell is whether he is a PG, SG, or both. Lob dunks are just icing on his cake.

I think there is sufficient evidence he isn't a PG, they tried, it didn't work. That's okay...he is still talented just the same.

I am not 100% sure that is true. I am not saying the transition is finished and he is 100% to start when Dlo is out, but I think the fact that he is working on lobs is a potential sign they are going to continue the transition. Of course everyone is learning to lob so it is far from dispositive, but I wouldn’t give up on it yet.

He doesn't have the decision making skills, he couldn't handle it in SL, couldn't in season, that said if you have a point forward you could match him up with a PG, but he wouldn't be the primary.