Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[CSL_1904]

We also haven’t had a good look at Kanter yet - if he and Williams can hold down the center position, Theis becomes power forward depth..

I think I've seen enough of Kanter lol

[Fencer reregistered]

Similarly, JJJ seems too good for us to be able to get from Memphis, even if we offer them their pick back.

Yeah exactly. There's a number of Centers i'd like on this team but their teams either aren't interested in trading them/the price is too high or salary matching is impossible without including Smart which none of these centers are worth. I'd give my right arm to have Bam Adebayo on this team but it's not gonna happen. I'd love to have Derrick Favors too but dude makes too much money right now.
I'd love to sign him for the mle or whatever the 9,8 mil exception is next year but idk if that's realistic either.

Besides all these unlikely/impossible targets there aren't that many guys that'll be an upgrade. The best chance for the Celtics to have an above average starting center is Robert William's development. That's gonna take a year or 2. Now he's been better then i expected so he might progress a bit faster. He could be good enough by the playoffs maybe but that's honestly a long shot. I do expect him to be a quality starter next year.

But to get a player that's better then Theis/Williams AND fits our system, just isn't very realistic without giving up significant assets.

So if that scenario isn't gonna happen, we need to reevaluate. What do we need then ? Basically a defensive bruiser. A big strong rebounding center that won't let Embiid bully him. We can get that maybe, or maybe Kanter will be good enough in these matchups.

But even then i'm not convinced that that's such a big need. Yes we need better rebounding but one player is unlikely to fix that, especially if that player only plays like 12-15 min a game. Do we need an Embiid defender ? Maybe not, Sixers offense is currently rated 21st. Im fine with Embiid post ups. It's slow, turnover prone offense. Yes it might look bad when our dudes get abused in the post and it looks like an efficient stat line but honestly not convinced that's gonna win them games against us. Primary concern is scoring against the Sixers' length and no center is gonna help there.

The other big good centers don't matter as much. They all play in the west like KAT, Jokic and AD or are on non relevant teams like the Pistons.

We don’t need an upgrade at center. Our center by committee is fine.

Where we need to upgrade is PF. We need more size there. A 6-10 floor stretcher and versatile defender like Jonas Jerebko to come off bench but who is an upgrade from Semi offensively with more athleticism/length/shot blocking.

Don’t think we’ll see that until Memphis pick used.

Theis could be that person if the other centers play well enough at center.

[Slartibartfast]

I think we should make a play for Draymond Green.

The Warriors are probably gonna want to save some money with this train wreck of a season. They badly need an injection of young blood and picks to give them some cheap talent around their super-expensive perimeter trio.

Dray might be on the decline but he's such a competitor and a good fit. I feel like he'd bring it in a new, more competitive environment. And while his contract is long, it's not super onerous.

Theis/Kanter/Romeo/Grant and a pick

Can't stand the guy in a way fans of other teams probably can't stand Smart. If that's even in play, I'd have done it yesterday. I think they ask for Brown or Tatum plus the Memphis pick at the minimum. We'd be favored in the East with that type of move. It would give us our rim protector and defender against the Giannis/AD/Lebron/Kawhi types.

Well Brown cant be traded because of his extension and Tatum isnt enough salary too make that deal work. Its the same problem with every big man trade, anybody worth anything makes too much money to match salaries.

Also GSW arent trading DG, they are gonna reload this summer and get healthy for next year.

My trade works, it's just a value and willingness question.

I think the deck is stacked against a reload with their current core. No Iggy. No Barnes/KD. Steph aging. Klay coming off an ACL. Dray isn't going to be enough to cover for the holes they are going to have.

[Andrew McCeltic]

We also haven’t had a good look at Kanter yet - if he and Williams can hold down the center position, Theis becomes power forward depth..

I think I've seen enough of Kanter lol

I haven’t watched him closely over the last couple of games (which I haven’t seen all of), but it seems like he’s doing ok defensively, staying back on pick and rolls. It’s not impossible he could have a Vucevic like progression over the next couple of years, especially if he wants another big contract.

[sam_I_am]

We also haven’t had a good look at Kanter yet - if he and Williams can hold down the center position, Theis becomes power forward depth..

I think I've seen enough of Kanter lol

I haven’t watched him closely over the last couple of games (which I haven’t seen all of), but it seems like he’s doing ok defensively, staying back on pick and rolls. It’s not impossible he could have a Vucevic like progression over the next couple of years, especially if he wants another big contract.

He was our best big man last night. That said, I think we should try to pry WCS away from Warriors. Poirier and a second round pick to make it worthwhile.

[Andrew McCeltic]

No to Draymond, too expensive and too old, relatively.

The one thing you still have to look at, if Brown and Tatum play well over the next month, is what you could get from Orlando+ in a 2-3 team Hayward trade. Don’t want to do it, but you have to at least make the calls to know his market value. A 24yo Aaron Gordon, Mo Bamba, filler is a relative haul. But are we a contender already when Hayward is playing at a high level?

[Andrew McCeltic]

I think I've seen enough of Kanter lol

I haven’t watched him closely over the last couple of games (which I haven’t seen all of), but it seems like he’s doing ok defensively, staying back on pick and rolls. It’s not impossible he could have a Vucevic like progression over the next couple of years, especially if he wants another big contract.

He was our best big man last night. That said, I think we should try to pry WCS away from Warriors. Poirier and a second round pick to make it worthwhile.

Culture is something - WCS, DLo were sharp on defense last night. And they’re trying to rehabilitate Marquese Chriss. No idea why GS would trade an agile big for Poirier and a second..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Anyway we’ve had years like this before, I don’t know if it’s by design, where the construction of the roster and cap sheet preclude significant trades.

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics need to find a young big man that is making $11-15 million that they can keep for the next 4-5 years and the other team willing to let him go for a package of some combination of Poirier, Kanter, Ojeleye, Langford, Wanamaker and multiple first round picks possibly even the Memphis pick.

Good luck Danny Ainge because I have no clue who that could be right now

[SmartWentCrazy]

Sure he has and not by last night. Over his college career you saw a player that if he continues to develop could be a legit scoring threat in the NBA we saw it in summer league and the pre season. We see it in the games now sometimes the ball just isn't going in, maybe not a starting PG but a top 8 guy. Brad Wannamaker has never and never will be that guy. He is your 3rd PG so if you have a guy who has more talent and skills and needs mins to adjust to the NBA you give him that opportunity. If he can't get it done then you go get someone else but his success or failure doesn't really change the dynamic with Wannamaker he should be a 10 mpg guy.

Brad Wanamaker's minutes are not wholly coming at Edwards' expense. I don't see Edwards' role as a PG. He's more of an off guard. Sure, he can bring the ball up, but I don't see him running the offense as a PG does. It seems to me that there will be minutes for Edwards, and for Wanamaker too. Also, I wouldn't be surprised to see that Wanamaker's minutes go up.

I was more responding to the concept that Edwards shouldn't play over Wannamaker because he hasn't "earned it" or isn't the better player. I think Wannamaker should have a role he is solid vet and can make a 3 and he doesn't kill you. But bottom line including the last two games Wannamaker has now scored in double figures 5 times in 50 games Carsen Edwards has scored in double figures 3 times in 9 games and he hasn't even figured out what is going on yet.

He also has 8 games with 3 or less points, compared to just 3 for Wanamaker. We need consistency from our backup PG— Edwards is suited perfectly for his current role. If hes in ‘boom’ mode, he plays more. If he’s in ‘bust’ mode, he wont. High variance shouldnt be what were looking for at this time.

[jmr07019]

Kanter, Porier and Langford for Aminu and Birch. Boston adds a competent defensive center to replace Kanter. Aminu gives us a backup pf who can defend and shoot. He also can soak up fouls and keep Brown and Tatum out of foul trouble. Two vets like that could greatly improve our depth and chances in the playoffs. Orlando gets a young player with potential.

[Higgs Boston]

Celtics need to find a young big man that is making $11-15 million that they can keep for the next 4-5 years and the other team willing to let him go for a package of some combination of Poirier, Kanter, Ojeleye, Langford, Wanamaker and multiple first round picks possibly even the Memphis pick.

Good luck Danny Ainge because I have no clue who that could be right now

The closest is Turner but his development sucks, he hasn't improve too much since his rookie year, and his defense is bad this year. Also pacers is a team that wants players not picks.
The second closest is thomas bryant but he is more like a bench C playing as starter, and isn't a defensive C,

[Homerclease]

Celtics need to find a young big man that is making $11-15 million that they can keep for the next 4-5 years and the other team willing to let him go for a package of some combination of Poirier, Kanter, Ojeleye, Langford, Wanamaker and multiple first round picks possibly even the Memphis pick.

Good luck Danny Ainge because I have no clue who that could be right now

Don’t think that guy is out there, best to just keep drafting guys and hope you hit IMO

[Andrew McCeltic]

Celtics need to find a young big man that is making $11-15 million that they can keep for the next 4-5 years and the other team willing to let him go for a package of some combination of Poirier, Kanter, Ojeleye, Langford, Wanamaker and multiple first round picks possibly even the Memphis pick.

Good luck Danny Ainge because I have no clue who that could be right now

Don’t think that guy is out there, best to just keep drafting guys and hope you hit IMO

Yeah I wouldn’t force anything, but - Theis/Kanter/Langford for Capela is the kind of deal both sides could talk themselves into..

[Roddy]

Celtics need to find a young big man that is making $11-15 million that they can keep for the next 4-5 years and the other team willing to let him go for a package of some combination of Poirier, Kanter, Ojeleye, Langford, Wanamaker and multiple first round picks possibly even the Memphis pick.

Good luck Danny Ainge because I have no clue who that could be right now

Nurkic would have been prefect. But this injury was really scary.

[Gant]

Myles Turner could become available as Indiana may falter, that team always needs to control salary, and they have a couple of other big men.

Unless Oladipo comes back full blast, Indy is not that strong. They might be looking to make changes, in which case Turner is a possibility to be moved at the deadline.

I hoped for Drummond a few years ago when he was in the doldrums and gettable. If the numbers can match, this season is the time to strike for Turner. He wouldn't be available if he was having a fantastic year. Stevens and the Celtics could very well bring out the best in him.

[Scarletfire81]

Celtics need to find a young big man that is making $11-15 million that they can keep for the next 4-5 years and the other team willing to let him go for a package of some combination of Poirier, Kanter, Ojeleye, Langford, Wanamaker and multiple first round picks possibly even the Memphis pick.

Good luck Danny Ainge because I have no clue who that could be right now

Don’t think that guy is out there, best to just keep drafting guys and hope you hit IMO

Yeah I wouldn’t force anything, but - Theis/Kanter/Langford for Capela is the kind of deal both sides could talk themselves into..

I doubt Theis would be included, he’s played well. I wish RWIII could stay healthy, not sure we need a center if he can stay on the floor.

[brackdan70]

Can't stand the guy in a way fans of other teams probably can't stand Smart. If that's even in play, I'd have done it yesterday. I think they ask for Brown or Tatum plus the Memphis pick at the minimum. We'd be favored in the East with that type of move. It would give us our rim protector and defender against the Giannis/AD/Lebron/Kawhi types.

Well Brown cant be traded because of his extension and Tatum isnt enough salary too make that deal work. Its the same problem with every big man trade, anybody worth anything makes too much money to match salaries.

Also GSW arent trading DG, they are gonna reload this summer and get healthy for next year.

My trade works, it's just a value and willingness question.

I think the deck is stacked against a reload with their current core. No Iggy. No Barnes/KD. Steph aging. Klay coming off an ACL. Dray isn't going to be enough to cover for the holes they are going to have.

I could get behind something like that. I don’t know what his value really is...I think Brown or Tatum is a huge overpay though Slarts idea seems about right...idk.

[Half-Full]

Similarly, JJJ seems too good for us to be able to get from Memphis, even if we offer them their pick back.

Yeah exactly. There's a number of Centers i'd like on this team but their teams either aren't interested in trading them/the price is too high or salary matching is impossible without including Smart which none of these centers are worth. I'd give my right arm to have Bam Adebayo on this team but it's not gonna happen. I'd love to have Derrick Favors too but dude makes too much money right now.
I'd love to sign him for the mle or whatever the 9,8 mil exception is next year but idk if that's realistic either.

Besides all these unlikely/impossible targets there aren't that many guys that'll be an upgrade. The best chance for the Celtics to have an above average starting center is Robert William's development. That's gonna take a year or 2. Now he's been better then i expected so he might progress a bit faster. He could be good enough by the playoffs maybe but that's honestly a long shot. I do expect him to be a quality starter next year.

But to get a player that's better then Theis/Williams AND fits our system, just isn't very realistic without giving up significant assets.

So if that scenario isn't gonna happen, we need to reevaluate. What do we need then ? Basically a defensive bruiser. A big strong rebounding center that won't let Embiid bully him. We can get that maybe, or maybe Kanter will be good enough in these matchups.

But even then i'm not convinced that that's such a big need. Yes we need better rebounding but one player is unlikely to fix that, especially if that player only plays like 12-15 min a game. Do we need an Embiid defender ? Maybe not, Sixers offense is currently rated 21st. Im fine with Embiid post ups. It's slow, turnover prone offense. Yes it might look bad when our dudes get abused in the post and it looks like an efficient stat line but honestly not convinced that's gonna win them games against us. Primary concern is scoring against the Sixers' length and no center is gonna help there.

The other big good centers don't matter as much. They all play in the west like KAT, Jokic and AD or are on non relevant teams like the Pistons.

We don’t need an upgrade at center. Our center by committee is fine.

Where we need to upgrade is PF. We need more size there. A 6-10 floor stretcher and versatile defender like Jonas Jerebko to come off bench but who is an upgrade from Semi offensively with more athleticism/length/shot blocking.

Don’t think we’ll see that until Memphis pick used.

Now that is an idea I like (adding Jonas Jerebko). I like Semi defensively, but he adds nothing on offense. Jerebko is a decent defender and certainly a huge step up on the offensive end. Jerebko is currently playing in the Euroleague. I don't know if he has an out provision in his contract for in case an NBA team comes calling, but it wouldn't surprise me. Whether or not the Celtics have any interest is another matter. He did acquit himself well here, though, and was a good bench player for the Jazz and Warriors subsequent to leaving. Also, he has a skill set we could use, and he knows our system and coaching staff. But what do we know?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Celtics need to find a young big man that is making $11-15 million that they can keep for the next 4-5 years and the other team willing to let him go for a package of some combination of Poirier, Kanter, Ojeleye, Langford, Wanamaker and multiple first round picks possibly even the Memphis pick.

Good luck Danny Ainge because I have no clue who that could be right now

Nurkic would have been prefect. But this injury was really scary.

He was thriving in Portland, no way they would’ve traded him. If he comes back healthy they’re back as a contender.. Collins was the heir apparent, which might’ve made a trade possible, except he’s disappointed in his career so far.