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3toheadmelo · Post #301 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:22 pm

Guano wrote:the funny thing is RJ will be the first knick in forever who deserves a 2nd contract but he isn't going to be worth a max which he will want so we will most likely move him.

team IQ with another point!!!

Post #302 » by **DOT** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:27 pm

Capn'O wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Fixed

pepperidge farm remembers

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I know - we were great with the three that year but we just broke the team record the other night.

Fun fact

2013 was the first time since 1973 that we had a top 5 offense in the league (1989 comes close, we were 6th best that year)

2014 we had the 11th best offense, and since then, we've never been above average in offensive efficiency

I'm pretty sure we should break that streak this year. Maybe not be top 5 good, but we should be around the 10-14 range if everyone stays healthy (we were 23rd last year, so that would still be a big jump for us, and more than offset the drop from top 3 to top 10 defense I'm predicting).

Gravy · Post #303 » by **Gravy** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:32 pm

If we dont resign RJ we'll just keep complaining that we dont resign any of our picks. Every top 3 pick is not going to be a superstar, its a win if they are even a good starter.

Guano · Post #304 » by **Guano** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:33 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Guano wrote:the funny thing is RJ will be the first knick in forever who deserves a 2nd contract but he isn't going to be worth a max which he will want so we will most likely move him.

team IQ with another point!!!

this place is going to be a lot of fun during contract talks if he doesn't improve his ability to finish at the rim or create off the dribble.

Post #305 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:34 pm

K-DOT wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:pepperidge farm remembers

Watch on YouTube

I know - we were great with the three that year but we just broke the team record the other night.

Fun fact

2013 was the first time since 1973 that we had a top 5 offense in the league (1989 comes close, we were 6th best that year)

2014 we had the 11th best offense, and since then, we've never been above average in offensive efficiency

I'm pretty sure we should break that streak this year. Maybe not be top 5 good, but we should be around the 10-14 range if everyone stays healthy (we were 23rd last year, so that would still be a big jump for us, and more than offset the drop from top 3 to top 10 defense I'm predicting).

If we're a top five offense, we're a contender. I'll allow it.

NYKnickerbocker · Post #306 » by **NYKnickerbocker** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:45 pm

Guano wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Guano wrote:the funny thing is RJ will be the first knick in forever who deserves a 2nd contract but he isn't going to be worth a max which he will want so we will most likely move him.

team IQ with another point!!!

this place is going to be a lot of fun during contract talks if he doesn't improve his ability to finish at the rim or create off the dribble.

hopefully RJ makes it fun for another reason lol

Post #307 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:47 pm

Guano wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Guano wrote:the funny thing is RJ will be the first knick in forever who deserves a 2nd contract but he isn't going to be worth a max which he will want so we will most likely move him.

team IQ with another point!!!

this place is going to be a lot of fun during contract talks if he doesn't improve his ability to finish at the rim or create off the dribble.

I am confident you guys will make it miserable around here no matter what.

BugginOut · Post #308 » by **BugginOut** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:52 pm

RJ’s defense is going to determine if he gets the max or not. If he puts up 20/7/4 with all-defensive level defense then no doubt he is a max player, even if his finishing is a little iffy.

If he is just average at defense then the conversation around his max becomes more complicated

Post #309 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:57 pm

god shammgod wrote:
WajaBawl wrote:
god shammgod wrote:now i'll piss everyone off....porzinigis showed more before he was maxed than rj has.....good afternoon friends. lol

This might've been a joke, but it's not wrong. 7'3 big who could shoot and handle like he did was special. Too bad he was a d-bag

i only did it to annoy people but it's absolutely a fact

Yeah but the bottom line is that RJ will be better. KP showed a lot of flashes that were higher than RJ but he also got hurt and had outages. Those are big red flags and that's playing out as such.

Post #310 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:59 pm

BugginOut wrote:RJ’s defense is going to determine if he gets the max or not. If he puts up 20/7/4 with all-defensive level defense then no doubt he is a max player, even if his finishing is a little iffy.

If he is just average at defense then the conversation around his max becomes more complicated

He's going to get the MPJ rookie max assuming he continues to improve and has another jump year. Its going to happen.

Its a win win. If he continues to improve to the point we get a 1st 2nd or 3rd all nba player at his age then he deserves the super rookie extension. If not he will get paid like every other good young player and get that contract extension.

robillionaire · Post #311 » by **robillionaire** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:00 pm

god shammgod wrote:now i'll piss everyone off....porzinigis showed more before he was maxed than rj has.....good afternoon friends. lol

Where’s the lie? he was an all star. At least RJ isn’t 7’3 with bad knees though.

Post #312 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:04 pm

Between high flashes and inconsistency and some red flags, like being unable to use size, or relative consistency and things like D and health, unselfish play (without bigger flashes), you take the latter.

When has a guy who looked VERY good here and there but never maintained that level of play or developed dominant moves in their first two to four years ever worked out big? It's like Bargnani. He had a lot of good games too that showed he may be able to reach his No. 1 potential. KP not that different.

Post #313 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:08 pm

robillionaire wrote:
god shammgod wrote:now i'll piss everyone off....porzinigis showed more before he was maxed than rj has.....good afternoon friends. lol

Where’s the lie? he was an all star. At least RJ isn’t 7’3 with bad knees though.

There are some not so great All Stars though. I would seriously be bummed to trade both our not high picks for Brad Beal right now.

Post #314 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:09 pm

To add another thing ... if your All Star loses a lot of games every year, like BB lately or LaVine or some others, then check your All Star. Don't take it to the bank. KP's All Star year the team was horrible.

Clyde_Style · Post #315 » by **Clyde_Style** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:11 pm

KP never had a good second half of the season as a Knick. He was fool's gold

Post #316 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:15 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:KP never had a good second half of the season as a Knick. He was fool's gold

Honestly his highs weren't really as sustained as Bargs' was. I'm sort of doing that based on memory without going back, but for a while, Bargs produced. In a more consistent way anyway.

KP's highs were definitely eye popping. It's unusual for a guy to hit that peak and the decline, but injuries, a lack of a sustainably dominant game, lack of desire, work ethic, they all can undo some flashes pretty fast. It's the NBA, not China.

Post #317 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:18 pm

KP lost 53 games in his All Star year. Whether people want to hear this or not, it's nonetheless true that RJ has had a more successful career. Give me wins or give me death. RJ is winning where KP did not. It invalidates flashes in a big way.

In fact, I'm still very skeptical of Julius Randle because he has not won consistently. We shall see.

When a guy loses a lot, pay attention. It's hardly insignificant. Talent and some offensive prowess are kind of dime a dozen in the NBA.

About the only player who took career losers and took them to the mountaintop was LeBron. That's LeBron.

3toheadmelo · Post #318 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:24 pm

free Grimes!!!!!

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Post #319 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:26 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:free Grimes!!!!!

Read on Twitter

Cmon he's not going to play at all lol.

aggo · Post #320 » by **aggo** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:27 pm

BugginOut wrote:RJ’s defense is going to determine if he gets the max or not. If he puts up 20/7/4 with all-defensive level defense then no doubt he is a max player, even if his finishing is a little iffy.

If he is just average at defense then the conversation around his max becomes more complicated

dude hes getting a max. the onyl real question is if hes going to get the SGA/Luka RFA max or the standard 4 year max.

hes improved every year at multiple facets. He is not a bird brain (like mitch). and can contribute beyond standing at the 3pt line (his dribble drive, his 3asts/game). if he has another 2 years of year over year improvement like we saw last year and then incremental improvements afterwards until his peak, hes basically trending to become Khris Middleton level player