Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

stormi · Post #301 » by **stormi** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:00 pm

So, say Simmons for Fox happens tonight and everyone simultaneously returns to health.

What move do you make next to fix the imbalance on this roster / push us closer to a championship? Or is it ready to contend.

Fox/Maxey/Milton
Curry/Korkmaz/Joe
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

Kobblehead · Post #302 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:14 pm

Milton/Thybulle for Cam Reddish

Reddish keeps on improving but his minutes have decreased. Atlanta just won't give him the role he deserves.

rzzzzz · Post #303 » by **rzzzzz** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:15 pm

stormi wrote:So, say Simmons for Fox happens tonight and everyone simultaneously returns to health.

What move do you make next to fix the imbalance on this roster / push us closer to a championship. Or is it ready to contend.

Fox/Maxey/Milton
Curry/Korkmaz/Joe
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

It’s ready to contend. But we surely need to do something about our weak rebounding. I’d think hard about getting someone more substantial to play the 4 and maybe move Harris more to 3. (Yeah, I know, he would lose whatever current speed advantage he supposedly has, but giving up all those offensive rebounds is just killing us.)

stormi · Post #304 » by **stormi** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:16 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Milton/Thybulle for Cam Reddish

Reddish keeps on improving but his minutes have decreased. Atlanta just won't give him the role he deserves.

Need this desperately.

76ciology · Post #305 » by **76ciology** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:20 pm

stormi wrote:So, say Simmons for Fox happens tonight and everyone simultaneously returns to health.

What move do you make next to fix the imbalance on this roster / push us closer to a championship? Or is it ready to contend.

Fox/Maxey/Milton
Curry/Korkmaz/Joe
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

How will we defend Giannis or KD?

My options:
I’d trade Harris, Milton and picks for Jerami Grant.
I’d trade Milton for Thad Young.

Kobblehead · Post #306 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:23 pm

I love Niang, but he's the reason our rebounding suffers. His defensive rebound percentage is pitiful. Embiid, Drummond, and Harris have been excellent on the boards.

mjkvol · Post #307 » by **mjkvol** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:26 pm

stormi wrote:So, say Simmons for Fox happens tonight and everyone simultaneously returns to health.

What move do you make next to fix the imbalance on this roster / push us closer to a championship? Or is it ready to contend.

Fox/Maxey/Milton
Curry/Korkmaz/Joe
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

Move Harris for Barnes and we are there, a pipe dream for sure. Embiid's absence was the perfect opportunity for our alleged "third star" to step up, which might have helped inflate his value. I'm sure Covid will be blamed, but somehow I can't imagine it would have happened anyway.

stormi · Post #308 » by **stormi** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:30 pm

76ciology wrote:
stormi wrote:So, say Simmons for Fox happens tonight and everyone simultaneously returns to health.

What move do you make next to fix the imbalance on this roster / push us closer to a championship? Or is it ready to contend.

Fox/Maxey/Milton
Curry/Korkmaz/Joe
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

How will we defend Giannis or KD?

My options:
I’d trade Harris, Milton and picks for Jerami Grant.
I’d trade Milton for Thad Young.

I wouldn't mind adding Reddish for Thybulle/Shake and then making another play for a monster wing defender. I'd like one that could shoot a bit better than Grant though. I'm not sure I see the drastic upgrade over Harris here factoring in both sides of the ball.

Grant is more direct, but I don't like the idea of him and Embiid on offense in my mind.

Madd Squabbles · Post #309 » by **Madd Squabbles** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:49 pm

Let me start off by saying this. I'm a die-hard Sixers fan. To this day Dr. J is my all-time favorite NBA player. I'm from New Orleans so I also follow the Pels.

I watch every game and follow both teams very closely. I'm on both teams' forums every day. Believe me when I say that the Pels will never trade Ingram straight up for Simmons. It drives me crazy every time I read a post suggesting that. But most players can be had if they are overwhelmed with a trade so I am throwing out what I believe it would take to get Ingram and to see if you would do it.

Sixers get Ingram

Pels get Simmons, Maxey, and a swap of the Pels 2nd for the Sixers 1st in the draft.

Question. If this is what it takes to get Ingram do you do the deal or pass? No counteroffers will be accepted. One-time only trade offer.

Eyeamok · Post #310 » by **Eyeamok** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:00 pm

Madd Squabbles wrote:Let me start off by saying this. I'm a die-hard Sixers fan. To this day Dr. J is my all-time favorite NBA player. I'm from New Orleans so I also follow the Pels.

I watch every game and follow both teams very closely. I'm on both teams' forums every day. Believe me when I say that the Pels will never trade Ingram straight up for Simmons. It drives me crazy every time I read a post suggesting that. But most players can be had if they are overwhelmed with a trade so I am throwing out what I believe it would take to get Ingram and to see if you would do it.

Sixers get Ingram

Pels get Simmons, Maxey, and a swap of the Pels 2nd for the Sixers 1st in the draft.

Question. If this is what it takes to get Ingram do you do the deal or pass? No counteroffers will be accepted. One-time only trade offer.

Wait first of all how can you call yourself Madd Squabbles and not be up for a debate on your trade proposal?

I say no. If I can't counteroffer let the Pelicans burn. They will be back.

Madd Squabbles · Post #311 » by **Madd Squabbles** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:11 pm

76ciology wrote:
Tomjas wrote:
76ciology wrote:Zion for Ben.

Zion wants to win now. Ben is a very patient guy.

Ben and Ingram looks like a good duo.
Biid and Zion is a better duo than Biid and Ben duo.

*can find 3rd team to ship Zion
*can compensate picks and Springer to make up for difference in value

Given our board’s interest in Ingram, I was thinking something similar

The Pelicans have no real need to move Ingram anytime soon

If they shipped Zion, they would get a mother load of assets in return and rid themselves of some of their junk plus the health risk

Yeah. Both Zion and Ben also have the same baggage that I think if you put them into the right environment, environment they want, they’d fix their baggage by themselves.

Also possibly a 3 way like..

Pels:
Ben Simmons
wolves 2022 pick
Sixers 2022 pick

Sixers:
Anthony Edwards

Wolves:
Zion Williamson
Jaden Springer

Something like that..

Or..

Pels:
Ben Simmons
kings 2022 pick
Jaden Springer

Sixers:
DeAaron Fox

Kings:
Zion Williamson

What baggage does Ingram have? I believe people keep trying to make up issues with Ingram for some reason.

Madd Squabbles · Post #312 » by **Madd Squabbles** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:16 pm

strotorious wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
the_process wrote:
And Edwards allows OKC to tank for an extra year to stack talent. Shai, on the other hand, is just about ready to go win.

I understand that, but at what point does Presti begin to build a team? Not arguing with you, but it just seems like SGA is the perfect franchise cornerstone to build around.

The other possibility here is that OKC acquires Simmons to pair with SGA, instead dipping into their stash of picks to make the trade happen. Sixers fans should know better than anyone that acquiring picks is easy, but consolidating them into a roster with enough talent and fit is incredibly difficult and this might be an opportunity to do that.

OKC could get Simmons, give him the rest of the season to get his head straight while they tank one last time, then use next season to gauge his fit or pump and dump him in a trade for a real star. They have just enough cap space that they wouldn't need to send out salary, which gives them several options. It could be a two team trade where the Sixers get picks and a $33M TPE to use in another deal or it could be a three team with any team looking to acquire picks and shed salary.

This is one of the few trade ideas I've seen that makes sense. OKC has to start using those picks on star players. The problem is that teams are very reluctant to trade their stars. This is a perfect chance for them to add a young allstar to the team.

stormi · Post #313 » by **stormi** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:16 pm

Madd Squabbles wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Tomjas wrote:
Given our board’s interest in Ingram, I was thinking something similar

The Pelicans have no real need to move Ingram anytime soon

If they shipped Zion, they would get a mother load of assets in return and rid themselves of some of their junk plus the health risk

Yeah. Both Zion and Ben also have the same baggage that I think if you put them into the right environment, environment they want, they’d fix their baggage by themselves.

Also possibly a 3 way like..

Pels:
Ben Simmons
wolves 2022 pick
Sixers 2022 pick

Sixers:
Anthony Edwards

Wolves:
Zion Williamson
Jaden Springer

Something like that..

Or..

Pels:
Ben Simmons
kings 2022 pick
Jaden Springer

Sixers:
DeAaron Fox

Kings:
Zion Williamson

What baggage does Ingram have? I believe people keep trying to make up issues with Ingram for some reason.

His infatuation for women well below 5 feet tall. And no I'm not posting pics.

Negrodamus · Post #314 » by **Negrodamus** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:21 pm

Read on Twitter

"multi-year thing"

sixers4real · Post #315 » by **sixers4real** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:22 pm

Madd Squabbles wrote:Let me start off by saying this. I'm a die-hard Sixers fan. To this day Dr. J is my all-time favorite NBA player. I'm from New Orleans so I also follow the Pels.

I watch every game and follow both teams very closely. I'm on both teams' forums every day. Believe me when I say that the Pels will never trade Ingram straight up for Simmons. It drives me crazy every time I read a post suggesting that. But most players can be had if they are overwhelmed with a trade so I am throwing out what I believe it would take to get Ingram and to see if you would do it.

Sixers get Ingram

Pels get Simmons, Maxey, and a swap of the Pels 2nd for the Sixers 1st in the draft.

Question. If this is what it takes to get Ingram do you do the deal or pass? No counteroffers will be accepted. One-time only trade offer.

I’ve been rooting for getting Ingram for Simmons because my initial thought was that Maxey can develop into a championship player on a Sixers team.

I do believe that in Doc heavy PnR and share the ball system you don’t really need a top assist guy. Didn’t work with Paul, didn’t work with Simmons.

Mik317 · Post #316 » by **Mik317** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:35 pm

ah our weekly

leverage battle leaks.

Sixers: Gonna keep him fo eva ...unless

Klutch: Sixers are really being big meanies...feel sorry for us

Sixers: Nu-uh...we just following the rules. It is actually Klutch that are the poopy butts.

Klutch: Ben is going to block you on discord.

Sixers: 4 YEARS DOOOE

and then rinse and repeat.

GutUNC · Post #317 » by **GutUNC** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:55 pm

Mik317 wrote:ah our weekly

leverage battle leaks.

Sixers: Gonna keep him fo eva ...unless

Klutch: Sixers are really being big meanies...feel sorry for us

Sixers: Nu-uh...we just following the rules. It is actually Klutch that are the poopy butts.

Klutch: Ben is going to block you on discord.

Sixers: 4 YEARS DOOOE

and then rinse and repeat.

It truly was inevitable after the "the Sixers were playing so well without him, hmmmm" leak back on Page 14.

Madd Squabbles · Post #318 » by **Madd Squabbles** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:13 pm

stormi wrote:So, say Simmons for Fox happens tonight and everyone simultaneously returns to health.

What move do you make next to fix the imbalance on this roster / push us closer to a championship? Or is it ready to contend.

Fox/Maxey/Milton
Curry/Korkmaz/Joe
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

I believe the key in this lineup would be Thybulle shooting the 3 at NBA league average and moving into the starting lineup as the shooting guard or Joe developing and moving into that shooting guard spot. Maxey would be the microwave scorer off the bench. Fox can even be moved for a star player down the road when Maxey is ready.

Madd Squabbles · Post #319 » by **Madd Squabbles** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:19 pm

76ciology wrote:
stormi wrote:So, say Simmons for Fox happens tonight and everyone simultaneously returns to health.

What move do you make next to fix the imbalance on this roster / push us closer to a championship? Or is it ready to contend.

Fox/Maxey/Milton
Curry/Korkmaz/Joe
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Niang/Reed
Embiid/Drummond/Bassey

How will we defend Giannis or KD?

My options:
I’d trade Harris, Milton and picks for Jerami Grant.
I’d trade Milton for Thad Young.

You would probably need to send the Pistons 2 FRPs to get that done. Are you good with that?

Mik317 · Post #320 » by **Mik317** » Thu Nov 18, 2021 4:28 pm

here is the thing.

no trade can be done this year that makes us contenders IMO. Like even the pie in the sky Dame who is totally sandbagging it and not washed trade doesn't fully put us in contention IMO...and that is still not happening soooooo.

That being said, adding more role players also doesn't really change the calculus. Draft picks are great for future deals but again not so much for right now.

Gotta thread the needle here with this one IMO. Need to get a piece that makes sense long term and short term but the idea of making this team a lock for this very season is not realistic IMO. Fox feels like he fits the criteria and their rocky starts makes it more realistic than I previously thought but he also could be Good Stats on a Bad Team guy and simply A slightly faster Maxey at the end of the day. Another plan is to upgrade the current role player pool with more athletic version of them I guess. But thats a lot of moving parts for what make be shuffling deck chairs on the titanic lol.

As previously stated, If I didn't care as much about this dumb ass team, I'd be very fascinated in how this turns out....but lolno this **** sucks ha