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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#301 » by jbk1234 » Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:34 pm

toooskies wrote:Fedor's podcast has the Sexton offer in the $13-15m per year range. I.e. the "we aren't paying to move off Dylan Windler" range.


Luckily, there are a number of teams who will have cap space next summer so if Sexton ends up wanting a trade on the Q.O., there will be teams that can still offer him the contract he's looking for next summer assuming he really wants to bet on himself. I'm getting a little nervous about Sexton betting on himself on the Cavs and what that could be mean if he doesn't get the minutes or shots he thinks he should.
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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#302 » by toooskies » Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:56 pm

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toooskies wrote:Fedor's podcast has the Sexton offer in the $13-15m per year range. I.e. the "we aren't paying to move off Dylan Windler" range.
I mean, they have to move off someone, there aren't enough roster spots, unless Sexton just sits the year out, which I highly doubt he does.

It's the price range where one of Wade or Stevens gets cut or traded, or Windler gets cut and stretched.
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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#303 » by JujitsuFlip » Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:46 pm

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toooskies wrote:Fedor's podcast has the Sexton offer in the $13-15m per year range. I.e. the "we aren't paying to move off Dylan Windler" range.
I mean, they have to move off someone, there aren't enough roster spots, unless Sexton just sits the year out, which I highly doubt he does.

It's the price range where one of Wade or Stevens gets cut or traded, or Windler gets cut and stretched.
Probably be better to trade Windler somewhere with $4 million attached than have him on the books for 3 years, even if only for $1.3 million per.
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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#304 » by JonFromVA » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:39 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:I mean, they have to move off someone, there aren't enough roster spots, unless Sexton just sits the year out, which I highly doubt he does.

It's the price range where one of Wade or Stevens gets cut or traded, or Windler gets cut and stretched.
Probably be better to trade Windler somewhere with $4 million attached than have him on the books for 3 years, even if only for $1.3 million per.


Just gives some options where they're not over a barrel and forced to trade picks to save money. Plus Sexton should be easily tradeable at a few million over the MLE.
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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#305 » by JujitsuFlip » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:59 pm

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toooskies wrote:It's the price range where one of Wade or Stevens gets cut or traded, or Windler gets cut and stretched.
Probably be better to trade Windler somewhere with $4 million attached than have him on the books for 3 years, even if only for $1.3 million per.


Just gives some options where they're not over a barrel and forced to trade picks to save money. Plus Sexton should be easily tradeable at a few million over the MLE.
Sexton isn't gonna accept $13 million per.

It would honestly be best case scenario for the Cavs that he doesn't sign the QO and sits out or plays overseas for a season, bc then he's just restricted again next summer.

Also, I doubt trading Windler costs a pick, it'll just be a top 55 protected 2nd rounder, similar to the Joe Harris trade.
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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#306 » by jbk1234 » Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:11 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:Probably be better to trade Windler somewhere with $4 million attached than have him on the books for 3 years, even if only for $1.3 million per.


Just gives some options where they're not over a barrel and forced to trade picks to save money. Plus Sexton should be easily tradeable at a few million over the MLE.
Sexton isn't gonna accept $13 million per.

It would honestly be best case scenario for the Cavs that he doesn't sign the QO and sits out or plays overseas for a season, bc then he's just restricted again next summer.

Also, I doubt trading Windler costs a pick, it'll just be a top 55 protected 2nd rounder, similar to the Joe Harris trade.


Very skeptical that Sexton is getting a contract above $15M overseas. Different leagues, different amounts of revenue. He'll play it out until the last day to sign the Q.O. and then sign it.
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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#307 » by JujitsuFlip » Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:51 pm

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Just gives some options where they're not over a barrel and forced to trade picks to save money. Plus Sexton should be easily tradeable at a few million over the MLE.
Sexton isn't gonna accept $13 million per.

It would honestly be best case scenario for the Cavs that he doesn't sign the QO and sits out or plays overseas for a season, bc then he's just restricted again next summer.

Also, I doubt trading Windler costs a pick, it'll just be a top 55 protected 2nd rounder, similar to the Joe Harris trade.


Very skeptical that Sexton is getting a contract above $15M overseas. Different leagues, different amounts of revenue. He'll play it out until the last day to sign the Q.O. and then sign it.
Agreed.

Cavs Acquired Lauri late August last season, so still time for some sort of multi team sign and trade scenario to unfold.
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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#308 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jul 24, 2022 2:39 pm

toooskies wrote:Fedor's podcast has the Sexton offer in the $13-15m per year range. I.e. the "we aren't paying to move off Dylan Windler" range.
https://sportando.basketball/en/cavaliers-offer-collin-sexton-three-year-40-million-contract/

Yup, 3 years $40 million is the standing offer. Even less than the 3 years $51 million that was reported before (https://hoopswire.com/collin-sexton-seeking-more-than-cavs-first-offer-in-contract-talks/).
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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#309 » by KuruptedCav » Sun Jul 24, 2022 4:36 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:Fedor's podcast has the Sexton offer in the $13-15m per year range. I.e. the "we aren't paying to move off Dylan Windler" range.
https://sportando.basketball/en/cavaliers-offer-collin-sexton-three-year-40-million-contract/

Yup, 3 years $40 million is the standing offer. Even less than the 3 years $51 million that was reported before (https://hoopswire.com/collin-sexton-seeking-more-than-cavs-first-offer-in-contract-talks/).

If that’s the range we’re living in, I can get behind it. 2 years and $26 million isn’t too difficult to get off of if it doesn’t work out and need to move on.


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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#310 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jul 24, 2022 7:42 pm

KuruptedCav wrote:
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toooskies wrote:Fedor's podcast has the Sexton offer in the $13-15m per year range. I.e. the "we aren't paying to move off Dylan Windler" range.
https://sportando.basketball/en/cavaliers-offer-collin-sexton-three-year-40-million-contract/

Yup, 3 years $40 million is the standing offer. Even less than the 3 years $51 million that was reported before (https://hoopswire.com/collin-sexton-seeking-more-than-cavs-first-offer-in-contract-talks/).

If that’s the range we’re living in, I can get behind it. 2 years and $26 million isn’t too difficult to get off of if it doesn’t work out and need to move on.


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Maybe where the Cavs are living, Sexton living around $25 million per.
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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#311 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:25 am

I'd bump that offer up a couple million per if it bought us some good will and got it done, but I think neither is likely.
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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#312 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:37 am

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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#313 » by mcfly1204 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:15 pm

Seeing the report of Boston still being interested in KD, can't help but think about what it realistically would take to butt in and grab Brown. Sexton (still think he'd fit nicely next to Simmons), Okoro, and how many picks? Love might be needed to absorb some salary along the way?
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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#314 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:06 pm

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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#315 » by toooskies » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:02 pm

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That doesn't help Sexton's leverage. If he misses camp, he probably loses the starting job.
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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#316 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:11 pm

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That doesn't help Sexton's leverage. If he misses camp, he probably loses the starting job.


It's been reported that they had LeVert penciled in as a starter and they're clearly not going to pay Sexton as a starter so I'm not sure it's his job to lose.
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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#317 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:12 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:Seeing the report of Boston still being interested in KD, can't help but think about what it realistically would take to butt in and grab Brown. Sexton (still think he'd fit nicely next to Simmons), Okoro, and how many picks? Love might be needed to absorb some salary along the way?


I'd break the bank for Brown but the Nets not owning their own picks could be a problem.
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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#319 » by JonFromVA » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:41 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:Seeing the report of Boston still being interested in KD, can't help but think about what it realistically would take to butt in and grab Brown. Sexton (still think he'd fit nicely next to Simmons), Okoro, and how many picks? Love might be needed to absorb some salary along the way?


Brown would be the young star that the Nets want for KD, don't see how he'd end up in Cleveland; but anyone else in the deal that the other side doesn't actually want would be fair game.

Now, if they can't work out a deal and Brown feels "disrespected" and asks for a trade ... well ... Boston would want someone who could actually help them. No doubt ask for Garland or Mobley from us.
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Re: 2022 off season 

Post#320 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:23 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:Seeing the report of Boston still being interested in KD, can't help but think about what it realistically would take to butt in and grab Brown. Sexton (still think he'd fit nicely next to Simmons), Okoro, and how many picks? Love might be needed to absorb some salary along the way?


Brown would be the young star that the Nets want for KD, don't see how he'd end up in Cleveland; but anyone else in the deal that the other side doesn't actually want would be fair game.

Now, if they can't work out a deal and Brown feels "disrespected" and asks for a trade ... well ... Boston would want someone who could actually help them. No doubt ask for Garland or Mobley from us.


I'm very interested in adding Brown to Garland and Mobley. I'm not at all interested in swapping either one for him. Brown is only under contract for two more seasons which is why I think it's worth it to at least gauge the Nets interest if they're blowing everything up. If they're keeping Simmons and building around him and Brown, then I expect a hard no. If they're starting from scratch, the Cavs have a lot of players on rookie contracts (or Sexton's case just coming off of one) and bunch of future picks.
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