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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#301 » by RCM88x » Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:45 am

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The difference here is that Jaylen’s a better player and a lot more available and Boston is a big market that can afford to pay that.


The difference is Nuggets best player is actually paid properly and the Celtics best player is horrifically underpaid. Nothing to do with the market or quality of player, everything to do with the luck the franchise have had with paying everyone else.


I'm so confused by the bold. Are the team names just switched or what?


Tatum was paid 32m last year despite being an All-NBA 1st team level player, that is a horrific underpay relative to the market. Jokic jumped up to 47m last year which is the max. Tatum being so under market allowed the Celtics to overpay Brown while also acquiring Porzinguis and Holiday. If he was making a proper All-NBA 1st team salary they wouldn't have been able to make the moves they did.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#302 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:53 pm

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The difference is Nuggets best player is actually paid properly and the Celtics best player is horrifically underpaid. Nothing to do with the market or quality of player, everything to do with the luck the franchise have had with paying everyone else.


I'm so confused by the bold. Are the team names just switched or what?


Tatum was paid 32m last year despite being an All-NBA 1st team level player, that is a horrific underpay relative to the market. Jokic jumped up to 47m last year which is the max. Tatum being so under market allowed the Celtics to overpay Brown while also acquiring Porzinguis and Holiday. If he was making a proper All-NBA 1st team salary they wouldn't have been able to make the moves they did.


Of course they could have. The 2nd apron restrictions hadn't kicked in yet, and the contracts they have handed out this summer show that they aren't scared of a giant payroll.

Does it always help when a player out produces their contract? Of course. But of course despite making more Jokic outproduced his contract more than Tatum did his. Jokic is the best player in the league. Tatum is very good, but he's more a best of a really deep core group then a guy who has to carry his team night after night. Further evidenced by how Team USA saw him as a luxury rather than a necessity.

Just like Jalen Brunson is a bargain and Luka Doncic will be the highest paid player in history on his new deal, but Luka will still represent better value. Or how Lebron was the best value in the league other than Steph on his 2nd contract.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#303 » by tone wone » Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:52 pm

Sucks for Randle that he's never really gotten a chance with Brunson in the playoffs. Missing the entire playoffs this pass year and being hurt in 2023.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#304 » by Bidofo » Thu Oct 3, 2024 4:32 am

Here's some information that elucidates what exactly the Knicks did and the masterful job by Leon Rose and capologist Brock Aller:
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Comment from reddit wrote:One of the new rules is that you can't aggregate minimum salaries for salary matching to make a trade work. This is meant to be punitive to the contending teams who have 5-7 very important players on their roster, and then fill the rest of the roster with rookie deals and minimums. Previously, teams could acquire one $7M player who could be a useful bench piece by aggregating 3 minimum players who were never gonna play.
The Knicks figured out that they could circumvent this. They had bird rights on three players who are expecting to make the minimum (bird rights = meaning they can be re-signed for more than the minimum even though the Knicks are above the cap - normally above the cap teams can only sign players for the minimum), and then they just didn't sign them this summer. This Towns deal requires them to find another ~$7m in salary to send out, so they did a sign and trade where each player earns $1 more than the minimum (which is allowed because Knicks hold their bird rights, and since they are technically above the minimum, they may be aggregated in a trade).
It's pretty clever


There's talks of the Knicks abusing a 'loophole' but really all they did was take advantage of savvy end of bench signings from last season. This type of forward thinking may just be the blueprint for future rebuilds across the league. Of course, not everyone is lucky enough to have their best player sign at a discount :D
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#305 » by tsherkin » Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:07 pm

9 days away now. Starting to get a little excited!
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#306 » by The-Power » Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:16 pm

With the start of the season ahead of us, what are everyone's thoughts on who is/are the

– title favorite
– clear contenders
– fringe contenders

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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#307 » by tsherkin » Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:25 pm

The-Power wrote:With the start of the season ahead of us, what are everyone's thoughts on who is/are the

– title favorite
– clear contenders
– fringe contenders

?



Boston, Dallas, Denver and Minny would seem to headline (pending Randle's chemistry with the Wolves, I guess, and any improvement from Ant).

You have to imagine that Miami, which was in the Finals 2 years ago, is still a threat. Same same Milwaukee. Both have the same issue, star health, but they have the potential to exit the East and make some noise against anyone.

New York and Phoenix are the other two who come to mind. I don't really believe in Phoenix, because I feel like they're get overwhelmed on the boards again as they did versus Minny, and they can't really defend. New York is an unknown, and for me a fringe thought, but they have an interesting team worth watching.

And I guess if everything goes right, the Lakers are a far-outside thought, pending health and how JJ's coaching impacts the team, etc, though I'd expect a low seed and out in the first round more than anything else.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#308 » by The-Power » Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:46 pm

tsherkin wrote:
The-Power wrote:With the start of the season ahead of us, what are everyone's thoughts on who is/are the

– title favorite
– clear contenders
– fringe contenders

?



Boston, Dallas, Denver and Minny would seem to headline (pending Randle's chemistry with the Wolves, I guess, and any improvement from Ant).

You have to imagine that Miami, which was in the Finals 2 years ago, is still a threat. Same same Milwaukee. Both have the same issue, star health, but they have the potential to exit the East and make some noise against anyone.

New York and Phoenix are the other two who come to mind. I don't really believe in Phoenix, because I feel like they're get overwhelmed on the boards again as they did versus Minny, and they can't really defend. New York is an unknown, and for me a fringe thought, but they have an interesting team worth watching.

And I guess if everything goes right, the Lakers are a far-outside thought, pending health and how JJ's coaching impacts the team, etc, though I'd expect a low seed and out in the first round more than anything else.

What about OKC? To me they are a clear contender, and favorites in the West. And what about the 76ers? I don't fully buy into Minnesota as a headliner to start the season. Not sure about Dallas but obviously they are in one of the contender categories. I seem to also be a bit higher on New York. I buy into them a lot more than I do Phoenix and certainly Miami (I know, Spo's teams should never be underestimated but even he cannot work magic all the time).

If I had to put them into the categories:

Title favorite
BOS

Clear contenders
OKC
DEN
DAL
NYK
PHI

Fringe contenders
MIN
MIL

I can obviously see some other teams moving in and up but I would be pretty surprised if any team not listed turns out to be a serious threat to win it all unless they make significant moves or things break perfectly for them. Teams like LAL, CLE or even NOP with Zion fully fit and committed still feel like a threat to any team that faces them but it's hard for me to imagine them winning three or four rounds in the playoffs. Some other teams are also intriguing but feel like even more of a long shot.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#309 » by tsherkin » Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:51 pm

The-Power wrote:What about OKC? To me they are a clear contender, and favorites in the West. And what about the 76ers?


I don't think OKC has the stuff to finish it, although I believe in SGA. I think they're a piece away, and maybe that's Chet when he figures out his offense a little more. But not quite yet.

Frankly with Philly, I don't believe in Embiid's health.

I don't fully buy into Minnesota as a headliner to start the season. Not sure about Dallas


I don't think of that group as headliners, just teams who should be in the mix in the last two rounds of the playoffs, give or take.

With New York, I want to wait and see. I don't have a lot of faith in KAT's ability to rise to the occasion, but he's a lot better on O than Randle, so we shall see. Taking some pressure off of Brunson is a good thing. Maybe OG will be healthy, too, which would be a big thing.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#310 » by Tim Lehrbach » Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:33 pm

Hardly a hot topic, but do any of the informed basketball minds here find any reason to believe in Scoot Henderson? He was absolutely awful last year -- even worse than his abysmal numbers, by my few viewings. Can't shoot, can't finish inside, can't make quick decisions, doesn't zip the ball accurately. He is considered a good dude with solid work ethic, as far as I've heard, but he's so far from being a positive contributor and the skill level just isn't there as a scorer or a pure point. But I hate to write a guy off, especially one whom I like. Should I keep hoping?

Related: I also don't believe in Shaedon Sharpe, despite being very excited about his selection.

Basically, I think the Blazers have spent their last two lotto picks on guards yet have the most talent-starved, or at least the most unproductive, backcourt in the league. It's dismal in Rip City.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#311 » by The-Power » Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:37 pm

tsherkin wrote:I don't think OKC has the stuff to finish it, although I believe in SGA. I think they're a piece away, and maybe that's Chet when he figures out his offense a little more. But not quite yet.

Interesting. I thought they were fairly close last year and went out to add Caruso and Hartenstein, in addition to another year of development from Chet, J-Dub and some others. To me, they are the best team on paper outside of Boston. Especially if you believe in SGA as a top-tier star, I don't see how this isn't a ridiculously stacked and modern roster.

tsherkin wrote:Frankly with Philly, I don't believe in Embiid's health.

Fair enough. I will say, though, that I can see the 76ers winning a round – or even two if they have a lucky draw – in the playoffs with Embiid out or hobbled now that they have George. In the end it's primarily about health for them, though.

tsherkin wrote:I don't think of that group as headliners, just teams who should be in the mix in the last two rounds of the playoffs, give or take.

Hm, that sounds more like the definition of a fringe contender tier to me. But then you listed them as one of only four teams and actually used the term ‘headline’ in your post. So naturally I assumed you had them as a clear contender and that's where I'd disagree.

tsherkin wrote:With New York, I want to wait and see. I don't have a lot of faith in KAT's ability to rise to the occasion, but he's a lot better on O than Randle, so we shall see. Taking some pressure off of Brunson is a good thing. Maybe OG will be healthy, too, which would be a big thing.

I'm not KAT's biggest fan either but on a defense-oriented team as the second scoring option he's pretty intriguing. NYK also had their playoff run without Randle. In essence, the Knicks replaced DDV and Hartenstein with Mikal and KAT in their playoff rotation from last year and that's a clear improvement in terms of individual level (if it indeed translates to team improvement remains to be seen).

I understand being skeptical about the Knicks. That was an awesome team last year – let's see if just adding more individually talented players actually helps them. And health is a concern for them as well. But a line-up featuring Brunson, Mikal, OG, Hart and Towns looks pretty damn potent in a playoff setting.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#312 » by tsherkin » Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:42 pm

Tim Lehrbach wrote:Hardly a hot topic, but do any of the informed basketball minds here find any reason to believe in Scoot Henderson? He was absolutely awful last year -- even worse than his abysmal numbers, by my few viewings. Can't shoot, can't finish inside, can't make quick decisions, doesn't zip the ball accurately. He is considered a good dude with solid work ethic, as far as I've heard, but he's so far from being a positive contributor and the skill level just isn't there as a scorer or a pure point. But I hate to write a guy off, especially one whom I like. Should I keep hoping?


He was 19. His short mid-range shot wasn't bad. Everything else was rough, but he's hardly the first high-profile rookie to struggle with scoring as a rookie. Not that I believe he's the same level, but look at Lebron and KD as rookies, you know? It's a little early to write him off, especially playing for a crap team with wild roster inconsistency, you know?

Time will have to tell with him overall. He found a bit of his 3 after the ASB and shot a little better overall. Was passing better, too.

Definitely a "wait and see his second season" type of situation.

Sharpe took a step back, but he also significantly increased his usage and had way less passing support than last season. So he's another one who needs some time. He'll be 21. Neither scan as "best in the league" type players going forward, but they could get significantly better as the team situation stabilizes and as they adjust to the league.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#313 » by tsherkin » Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:54 pm

The-Power wrote:Interesting. I thought they were fairly close last year and went out to add Caruso and Hartenstein, in addition to another year of development from Chet, J-Dub and some others. To me, they are the best team on paper outside of Boston. Especially if you believe in SGA as a top-tier star, I don't see how this isn't a ridiculously stacked and modern roster.


Yeah, the D is good, but they were fairly unimpressive on O during the playoffs, and that's the part which concerns me. As far as "don't see how," they don't have scoring support. Williams was highly inefficient in the postseason and Holmgren wasn't doing anything remarkable at all. If and when they grow beyond that, then there's something to talk about there, for sure.

Fair enough. I will say, though, that I can see the 76ers winning a round – or even two if they have a lucky draw – in the playoffs with Embiid out or hobbled now that they have George. In the end it's primarily about health for them, though.


Yes, I can see them winning a round or maybe even sneaking into the ECFs as well, if everything clicks for them. They're still pretty good even when they're going half-speed with all that talent.

Hm, that sounds more like the definition of a fringe contender tier to me. But then you listed them as one of only four teams and actually used the term ‘headline’ in your post. So naturally I assumed you had them as a clear contender and that's where I'd disagree.


Yeah, I should have used a different word. I only meant they are the group that come to mind most quickly for me.

I'm not KAT's biggest fan either but on a defense-oriented team as the second scoring option he's pretty intriguing. NYK also had their playoff run without Randle. In essence, the Knicks replaced DDV and Hartenstein with Mikal and KAT in their playoff rotation from last year and that's a clear improvement in terms of individual level (if it indeed translates to team improvement remains to be seen).


We'll see. KAT is a bit of a bitch, so I remain skeptical, but in the RS, it should work out well enough at least. And perhaps in a new environment, he'll thrive.

I understand being skeptical about the Knicks. That was an awesome team last year – let's see if just adding more individually talented players actually helps them. And health is a concern for them as well. But a line-up featuring Brunson, Mikal, OG, Hart and Towns looks pretty damn potent in a playoff setting.


I mean, yeah, I don't expect them to go out in the first round. I am just interested in waiting and seeing before I start to talk title. Last year, we learned the lesson again that mid-athleticism little guards have trouble scoring effectively in the playoffs unless they just bomb from a distance, and that was a problem. So it's nice that they're going to have scoring support around Brunson, because he isn't that guy as a focal volume scorer. But as a low-20s guy within a distributed offense, he's going to thrive in the playoffs. And he'll likely have an easier time of it in the RS, too.

So yeah, we'll see. It IS nice to be able to speak of the Knicks in a way other than dismissing them as irrelevant garbage, though. I love having them as a villain, as a Toronto fan. xD It's much less satisfying when they aren't any good, and no franchise deserves the depths of folly they endured for a long time.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#314 » by Tim Lehrbach » Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:03 pm

I think the Knicks are going to absolutely crush the regular season. I don't know that they beat Boston in a playoff series, but I definitely have them in the "clear contenders" category. It doesn't take a fanciful imagination to see them winning it all.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#315 » by tsherkin » Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:19 pm

Tim Lehrbach wrote:I think the Knicks are going to absolutely crush the regular season. I don't know that they beat Boston in a playoff series, but I definitely have them in the "clear contenders" category. It doesn't take a fanciful imagination to see them winning it all.


Keep in mind that OG will probably miss 20 games again, Brunson is due for another < 70 GP season based on his trend the last couple years (though hopefully he will be healthy) and FWIW, Mitchell Robinson (a 25ish mpg guy for NYK) is also going to miss like 20, 25 games, most likely. So we'll see what they look like in terms of roster consistency. And how much that matters if Brunson/KAT remain relatively healthy.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#316 » by The-Power » Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:00 pm

tsherkin wrote:Yeah, the D is good, but they were fairly unimpressive on O during the playoffs, and that's the part which concerns me. As far as "don't see how," they don't have scoring support. Williams was highly inefficient in the postseason and Holmgren wasn't doing anything remarkable at all. If and when they grow beyond that, then there's something to talk about there, for sure.

Were they unimpressive, though?

Here is the ORTG of Dallas' opponents in order (using bbref's estimates):

MIN: 114.2
OKC: 112.3
BOS: 111.0
LAC: 110.3

Against the Pelicans they were a bit below average but far from terrible for a playoffs series against a fairly good defense.

And then, of course, there's the fact that they were an incredibly potent offense during the RS over the course of a much larger sample. That still matters. And I don't believe it's far-fetched to believe that young players like J-Dub and Chet are going to improve on their very first playoff showing. But we shall see. I understand someone wanting to see it before buying into it.
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Post#317 » by tsherkin » Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:11 pm

The-Power wrote:Were they unimpressive, though?


Yes. They were the 7th-ranked offense in the playoffs. They rocked 107.0, 106.0, 111.4 and 99.2 ORTG by series.

And then, of course, there's the fact that they were an incredibly potent offense during the RS over the course of a much larger sample. That still matters.


It matters less. The RS sample includes the worst defenses in the league and evens out variance in shooting, so while it is somewhat relevant, it's not terribly so.

And I don't believe it's far-fetched to believe that young players like J-Dub and Chet are going to improve on their very first playoff showing.


That is why I mentioned such, as it is something I will be watching for. Chet, I think, will take a while. He's hesitant and unassertive. But his defense is already pretty impressive, and his potential is certainly there.

We'll see how it goes. They're a good team, and if they can sort out a second scorer who is any good in the playoffs, then they will have a favor different profile, no doubt.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#318 » by Tim Lehrbach » Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:12 pm

tsherkin wrote:
Tim Lehrbach wrote:Hardly a hot topic, but do any of the informed basketball minds here find any reason to believe in Scoot Henderson? He was absolutely awful last year -- even worse than his abysmal numbers, by my few viewings. Can't shoot, can't finish inside, can't make quick decisions, doesn't zip the ball accurately. He is considered a good dude with solid work ethic, as far as I've heard, but he's so far from being a positive contributor and the skill level just isn't there as a scorer or a pure point. But I hate to write a guy off, especially one whom I like. Should I keep hoping?


He was 19. His short mid-range shot wasn't bad. Everything else was rough, but he's hardly the first high-profile rookie to struggle with scoring as a rookie. Not that I believe he's the same level, but look at Lebron and KD as rookies, you know? It's a little early to write him off, especially playing for a crap team with wild roster inconsistency, you know?

Time will have to tell with him overall. He found a bit of his 3 after the ASB and shot a little better overall. Was passing better, too.

Definitely a "wait and see his second season" type of situation.

Sharpe took a step back, but he also significantly increased his usage and had way less passing support than last season. So he's another one who needs some time. He'll be 21. Neither scan as "best in the league" type players going forward, but they could get significantly better as the team situation stabilizes and as they adjust to the league.


This is a measured take. Both guys are super young. I just take both as already behind the curve we had imagined for them.

Scoot looked so much different from the advertised prospect -- scoring, vision, passing, even his "bag" -- that it is difficult to give him credit for upside based on his high profile vs. less celebrated prospects who also struggled early. I'll say this for him, to be fair: he gets downhill with tenacity and he tries defensively. Not indicators of elite talent, but useful attributes.

Sharpe flashes more natural gifts -- leaping, fluidity, quick shot -- but has done nothing to show he can play consistent or winning basketball in the first two campaigns.

But it might just be age and/or it might be playing for a pitiful team with a coach who by most accounts has no idea what he's doing. It's possible it is unreasonable for me to expect more at this point, but it's also difficult seeing the signs of promise each was heralded as having. And it's just frustrating having so much invested in the backcourt and having that be, by far, the team's biggest weakness. Nothing to do but wait, really.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#319 » by tsherkin » Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:21 pm

Tim Lehrbach wrote: I just take both as already behind the curve we had imagined for them.


That makes sense to me, yes.

Scoot looked so much different from the advertised prospect -- scoring, vision, passing, even his "bag" -- that it is difficult to give him credit for upside based on his high profile vs. less celebrated prospects who also struggled early. I'll say this for him, to be fair: he gets downhill with tenacity and he tries defensively. Not indicators of elite talent, but useful attributes.


Yeah, I mean, I think we kind of knew ahead of time that a little dude wasn't really likely to be all that as a scorer. We learn this lessons year after year. Later, as they mature and develop their game, it can happen, but guys that size don't generally produce high-end focal scoring. So he's likely going to require a pivot into a different approach to the game. But we'll see. Rookie seasons, especially for teenagers, are pretty raucous, and a lot can happen in 3 years. Sometimes it doesn't, but occasionally it does.

But it might just be age and/or it might be playing for a pitiful team with a coach who by most accounts has no idea what he's doing. It's possible it is unreasonable for me to expect more at this point, but it's also difficult seeing the signs of promise each was heralded as having. And it's just frustrating having so much invested in the backcourt and having that be, by far, the team's biggest weakness. Nothing to do but wait, really.


Yeah, I mean none of those things are helping, that's for sure. I suppose it depends on what expectations are.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#320 » by The-Power » Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:28 pm

tsherkin wrote:
The-Power wrote:Were they unimpressive, though?


Yes. They were the 7th-ranked offense in the playoffs. They rocked 107.0, 106.0, 111.4 and 99.2 ORTG by series.

Huh? OKC only played two series.

tsherkin wrote:It matters less. The RS sample includes the worst defenses in the league and evens out variance in shooting, so while it is somewhat relevant, it's not terribly so.

All other teams play against the worst defenses, too. So OKC ranking 3rd in the league does matter unless you want to make the case that their offense is inherently more flawed against better defenses (for which we can also filter by the way).

And I take a sample of 82 games over a sample of 12 games any time, even if the 12 games are in a playoff setting. The sample is just too small (and limited to only two opponents in this case) to make broader inferences. I'm sure people have studied the correlations, perhaps someone can enlighten us.

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