Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team

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Im not quite sure how reliable this is but **** it I've seen more then enough "he gone" tweets not to give a ****
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This is just misdirection from Horst and Pelinka as they finalize the trade details.

[John Murdoch]

I dont see how they get younger without moving him

[Clemenza]

This is the longest meeting ever...

Giannis isn't leaving. He never was leaving. US media cannot really comprehend how international players operate and judge everything based on US standards and their "destination city" mentality that they love to push.

Agreed. The city of Milwaukee is his. The team team is his. He has the supermax contract. A piece of ownership in the Milwaukee Brewers. And I believe - maybe I'm wrong - the Bucks helped his entire family come over from Greece. Might not complete for a championship if he stays, but I understand completely. The "Get me outta here so I can go team up with 'such n such' and play for a ring" is pretty much an American thing.

-Unless the Bucks themselves want to move on and restart. That's the other question that needs to be answered.

[PaulKellerman]

You NEVER trade a player of Giannis' caliber unless he explicitly tells you he's done and even then, you try 101/100 to make it work and convince him otherwise. The odds of Milwaukee drafting another Giannis are negligible. They waited 50 years for a championship despite fielding good teams with Johnson, Sidney and Allen/Big Dog + Michael Redd/Desmond Mason.A generational talent is virtually impossible to find after the top 3 picks, even tougher to retain and building a contending roster around him in a small market is like striking gold multiple times.

The Bucks can reconfigure the roster, let Brook walk and improve along the edges to give Giannis the confidence that this team can still compete. KPJ can fill in for Dame, development from AJ and smart asset management can help the team move forward. Use next year as a developmental season, change the style of play and get quicker/faster like Indiana. Biggest issue is Brook and his immobile, lumbering style of play.

The outline is there for a good team-Now it's up to Horst/Doc (who needs to GO) to make this into a contender once more.

[PaulKellerman]

This is the longest meeting ever...

Giannis isn't leaving. He never was leaving. US media cannot really comprehend how international players operate and judge everything based on US standards and their "destination city" mentality that they love to push.

Agreed. The city of Milwaukee is his. The team team is his. He has the supermax contract. A piece of ownership in the Milwaukee Brewers. And I believe - maybe I'm wrong - the Bucks helped his entire family come over from Greece. Might not complete for a championship if he stays, but I understand completely. The "Get me outta here so I can go team up with 'such n such' and play for a ring" is pretty much an American" thing.

-Unless the Bucks themselves want to move on and restart. That's the other question that needs to be answered.

Besides, the grass ain't always greener. Just ask KD, Kawhi, PG and so many others that moved and failed to win rings. Giannis is already a champion and a demigod in MKE. He needs to build his legacy and carry onwards

[Wingy]

if it's true then he'll play out the rest of his career, potentially a decade, being irrelevant. Even if the Bucks had their draft picks their G.M. is a horrible drafter. But they don't. So there's really no way to improve this team enough to ever have them competing for championships ever again. But hey, it's Giannis' career. If he's happy that's all that matters. It certainly won't help his legacy though.

Just because you guys traded your superstar to watch him possibly win a title doesn't mean we should.

His legacy isn't defined by what the casuals' standards are, which is to force himself onto a superteam so he can take the easy road to titles. I'd hope he's a deeper person than LeBron or Durant.

He has the Euro mentality. Too loyal to a fault. That’s respectable, but also dumb.


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Why is it dumb?

Sure proves a lot if Giannis can go to a stacked squad, team up in OKC or a San Antonio and win a ring.

What a gamer. What a competitor he’d be. Woo.

[th87]

He has the Euro mentality. Too loyal to a fault. That’s respectable, but also dumb.


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Why's it dumb?

Because it doesn't conform to the American ideal of the destination at all costs, at the expense of the satisfaction of an honest and honorable journey?

Some people don't want to be handed success. I think Giannis wants to give it his best shot and wants the Bucks to as well. If it doesn't work out, it wasn't meant to.

"It's hard, so I want to team up with other superstars" is some weak ass **** normalized by Lebron that not everyone shares.

Couldn't care less what American ideals are but simiplifying it, it's just dumb for a franchise to hold on to a player when the other option is to improve the franchise long-term. i get it, loyalty is cool and makes a great story but the smarter franchise will do the right thing for their franchise. The Bucks are not smart if they don't trade Giannis and if their fans accept this and accept that they'll be mired in mediocrity for a number of years, that's okay too.

Both paths lead to mediocre.

A Castle-led team with middling draft picks is a 45 win team.

Better to make a statement to Silver, the superstar culture mongers, and the rest of the NBA.

[th87]

This is the longest meeting ever...

Giannis isn't leaving. He never was leaving. US media cannot really comprehend how international players operate and judge everything based on US standards and their "destination city" mentality that they love to push.

Agreed. The city of Milwaukee is his. The team team is his. He has the supermax contract. A piece of ownership in the Milwaukee Brewers. And I believe - maybe I'm wrong - the Bucks helped his entire family come over from Greece. Might not complete for a championship if he stays, but I understand completely. The "Get me outta here so I can go team up with 'such n such' and play for a ring" is pretty much an American thing.

-Unless the Bucks themselves want to move on and restart. That's the other question that needs to be answered.

Agreed. I think the ball might actually be in the Bucks' court.

Hopefully they don't want to be known for trading the one person who made them relevant, who dropped to them through sheer dumb luck and somehow managed to become a top 2 player and win the city a title, and are the only reason *they're* still employed.

You don't trade miracles. You see if he has more up his sleeve.

[Nuntius]

Growing up Nigerian in Greece, he’s always understood that sometimes you sadly have to put you and your family’s highest potential first, before nostalgia and comfort.

As a Greek who is well aware how **** our state is to the children of immigrants, this is precisely why I cannot see Giannis leave Milwaukee. He knows first hand how hard it is to uproot your family.

[Sixers in 4]

I dont see how they get younger without moving him

He already has one foot out the door regardless. These situations almost never end with the player staying not to mention there is no path next year to winning with Dame out.

I get it, MIL fans don't want to trade him, but he's already gone. If it isn't this year, it will be next year.

[FrodoFraggins]

He's gonna pull a Lillard and wait too long to ask out. He gave that city more than they can ask for. The front office wasn't able to give him the roster to repeat and now they are burdened with injured Lillard's contract.

[Sane]

Or.... Now hear me out..... This is the exact same bull reporting done on him the last 8 years and people just project what THEY want him to do

and FYI Giannis talked to Milwaukee management a while ago and told him he's not requesting a trade but suprise suprise what gets "reported" is a quote on draft night about him "being open to possibilities about his future" (because who the **** isn't?) and spun by our outstanding media outlets into him wanting out.

They've been doing it for almost a decade but since so many are so ready to eat it up i 100% understand why they do it even if i find it detestable

Denver fans this will be what you get to look forward too


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Man listen, it's really important you understand that you're a Bucks fan. There are things exaggerated for you that are not exaggerated for us. I barely remember any news about Giannis getting traded and I've been visiting this site for 10 years. There's been tons of players rumored and yes I'm sure Giannis has been one of them. Other than the MVP candidates, no one goes untouched.

This dramatic world where everyone is trying to get Giannis out of Milwaukee is only the experience of Bucks fans. There's no conspiracy. Lots of journalists make up fake stuff and we all know that - you're not especially informed about that. Some are right sometimes. Some are often telling the truth that someone told them.

The contract, context and team situation are what make this the first time anyone can take a Giannis rumor seriously. Trust me, we (Rockets) heard about trading Hakeem constantly before he was traded. We heard about Harden in trade rumors before the real news started circling. There's a massive difference between random rumors and when news is real. These are not random rumors. He has 2 guaranteed years on his contract, he's an athleticism-based 31 year old who will decline quickly, that's a small market that can't let assets just retire/walk without recouping value, they've been knocked out of the first round, his sidekick is likely out most of next season, waiting one more year means he gets to dictate where he goes. There are realities here you have to wake up to. Even if you don't believe he's going to get traded - which is a fair prediction - you sitting here and acting like nothing is going on just shows us you're out of touch with reality. You're not looking at the good and the bad. You're just praying and that's why your voice won't hold any weight to anyone.

When we hear a Bucks fan going "there are serious issues, this is a legit question, my prediction is yes/no about the trade" then we're communicating with someone who's willing to stop being so fearful and just discuss things. I'm telling you honestly, this is a situation. This is not all manufactured. There's a possibility the ownership and management have to consider for the well-being of the franchise EVEN if Giannis doesn't want to move. You may be ok with it but it's not a commercially smart decision and small market teams that get emotionally attached always get burned. You better hope your management is being business-minded. Giannis is a once in a lifetime player but there's not many years left on that body. If you can get 3-4 players worth $20-25m that's a great place to start rebuilding a champion. Nothing to be ashamed of. You'll win again, Giannis is not your only hope.

Really feel bad for you guys. We're all just discussing things here and it feels like some of you want to just kick and scream because you can't practice some acceptance that there's some danger on the table. There's no conspiracy going on here, this is real life. You'll be alright no matter what happens, whichever way the franchise goes there's work to be done that will be very fun to do.

Sure thing. Keep telling yourself that. Every few months over the better part of the last decade a thread like this very one has popped up based on a innocuous tweet or article based on nothing other then someone's opinion and then taken and ran with

If you want to pretend that hasn't happened well then ok. You do you. It's not Bucks fans "kicking and screaming". It's Bucks fans telling you to give it a rest. But alas we know this thread will pop up again in 4 months because some "reporter" didn't like Giannis face when he was on the bench

And as an FYI no Bucks fans are acting like everything is all sunshine and roses. We know there isnt a clear path to contending with or without Giannis. We'd simply rather have Giannis and hope to catch lightning in a bottle with a few other moves then not having Giannis.

Hell if the Bucks had control of their own picks you could probably even sell me on a trade. But they don't so what your really selling is the idea that shipping off the most beloved player in the franchises history, without his request to do so, for a better chance to be a middling team 5 years from now

What you don't seem to be understanding is just how bad the Bucks were for how long before Giannis. I started getting into the NBA roughly in 1990 and saw the Bucks win exactly 2 PO series my entire life (both in the same season) before Giannis.

Dont act shocked or try and show empathy when all Bucks fans aren't scared to absolute death of the prospect of 2nd round ceilings because their superstar doesn't want to leave. For over 30 years round 2 was a dream






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See man it’s hard to have a realistic conversation with you. You actually think I’m pretending something. You don’t realize we don’t notice every single bucks rumor. You don’t realize our social media and YouTube front page is different than yours. What does it mean when you have to ignore the content of what someone is telling you and jump to the conclusion that they’re pretending? That’s called avoidance.

By the end of the post at least you reveal exactly what I’m saying. You’re terrified of having a 2nd round ceiling forever (highly unlikely). What’s crazy about that is you haven’t gotten past the first round for 3 consecutive playoffs IIRC. Lillard is out next season so there goes next season too. You’re clinging on to an addiction here, you think you’ll die without this.

You’ll be fine dude, it’s really not only about having Giannis. As you can see poor management and injuries can make you hard capped at round 2 even with a superstar. You can rebuild like the Pacers, like OKC, like the Rockets. Have a little faith in yourselves.

You loved Giannis being ultra competitive for all these years and that’s who he is. He’s not the “oh well, fingers crossed” guy.

Both for him and for Milwaukee, personally I’m glad it’s being seriously considered this one time.

[JayMKE]

Shams is a pretty weaselly hack, you’re a damn fool if you take any of this ESPN bull as gospel. Just a total fence sitting non-report, Giannis is open to thinking about the future. Thanks doofus.

[165bows]

Hopefully he wants to stay in the east

He'd be dumb to go out west. It's a gauntlet out there. LeBron would have 2 less titles if he wasnt in the cupcake east most of his career

The opposite. I would love to have him in Boston but if it can't be done, i would like to see him in the West.
All these years in the East his competitors in the PF spot have been Porzingis and Horford.
In the West we'll get regular matchups with AD, Zion, JJJ, Gordon, Randle among others.
He loves playing against top competition, he embraces it.
If not for Boston, then hopefully a team like the Spurs or the Rockets can grab him.

Anyways Tatum is a PF but I agree somehow seems like Spurs will be the one.

Knicks seems like a complete pipe dream, Milwaukee wants to rebuild with a bunch of 29 year olds?

[HMFFL]

"You don't need three stars" - Carmelo Anthony says the Bucks actually have the right pieces around Giannis to make it work

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/dont-three-stars-carmelo-anthony-002202509.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMOCA_nYVaQFsLCG44IwRlPHIvroYZZwkbs5LQZOk07D5JdSbxY31i-_0zgux8-swbpOdj30NLO0Wr8ZtHeT2XHRmaurn6oJPdRwDCPnRcjV6mP8lLY_Ml083kSSNedDti6rtgunYjZlCwnzj5s7iOmUQfSLvUJV2zviiGzMOzOx

[165bows]

Did I just read that OKC's 5th, 6th, and 7th best role-players and 3-4 protected picks "should be enough" for Giannis? That's a troll post right?

Cam Johnson
2023 unprotected PHX 1st
2025 unprotected PHX 1st
2027 unprotected PHX 1st
2028 PHX pick swap
2029 unprotected PHX 1st
2025 Top-4 protected MIL 1st
2025 unprotected Knicks 1st
2027 unprotected Knicks 1st
2028 Knicks pick swap
2029 unprotected Knicks 1st
2031 unprotected Knicks 1st
2028 MIL 2nd
2029 MIL 2nd

This is what 34-year old Kevin Durant ultimately fetched just 2-years ago (if you wanna replace the Knicks picks with Mikal Bridges to make it look tidier, then fine). I find it more helpful to lay it out this way as a means to illustrate how truly disconnected some of these Giannis "trade offers" are from reality. No, withholding your 2-3 best assets/prospects and just throwing out your roster/salary chaff, and 3-4 lightly protected 1st round picks aren't going to cut it. There's no meaningful discussion to be had if we're going to continue treating Giannis like he's a Jrue Holiday or Mikal Bridges trade asset. Be serious.

This is a good point but counterpoint is it’s not always available that a FO as drunk as Phoenix’s was. Def could be but not a given either.

[Sign5]

^ thats an absolute woeful trade for an older injury prone KD that delivers 25ppg which are essentially empty calories at this stage in his career.

[Wingy]

Would be kinda funny after the rivalry, but Indiana might be an interesting landing spot. They will have 3 firsts, swaps, and a talented roster.

[Ugly0598]

Utah has assets if Milwaukee wants to bet on them not improving.

[TheGOATRises007]

"You don't need three stars" - Carmelo Anthony says the Bucks actually have the right pieces around Giannis to make it work

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/dont-three-stars-carmelo-anthony-002202509.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMOCA_nYVaQFsLCG44IwRlPHIvroYZZwkbs5LQZOk07D5JdSbxY31i-_0zgux8-swbpOdj30NLO0Wr8ZtHeT2XHRmaurn6oJPdRwDCPnRcjV6mP8lLY_Ml083kSSNedDti6rtgunYjZlCwnzj5s7iOmUQfSLvUJV2zviiGzMOzOx

Melo saying this makes me even more positive that the Bucks don't have the pieces.