[Stein] - Hawks More Open To Trading Trae Young; Would Include Zaccharie Risacher In Right Deal

[Raps in 4]

Ya I think the pg position has the least impact on a teams overall defense. Having Trae would bring a completely different level of offense to our team.

I don’t think his defensive shortcomings will be as significant as we think.

Hali isn’t the best defensively, neither is Brunson. Both teams made it to the conference finals last year.

Obviously Trae isn’t as good as them but your point still stands.

Steph, Magic, and Nash are arguably the three greatest PGs of all time and they didn't play a lick of defence.

Elite defensive PGs like CP3, Lowry, and Billups were excellent, but it's not a requirement for being productive at the position.

The problem with Trae is that he obviously isn't an all-time great scorer/playmaker, but he can be very good. His 2019-2022 seasons were excellent. He singlehandedly took the Hawks to the ECF by outplaying Chokebiid.

If we want to go after a vet, Trae is the play. He's still only 27 and his value is at an all-time low right now. If he can regain his 2021-22 form, that's a top-20 player, arguably top-15. Trae playing to his potential is in that Brunson, Mitchell, Booker tier of player.

[HumbleRen]

I’d go for Trae, it’s a low risk situation.

If it doesn’t work out, atleast you can let him walk and get off IQ’s contract.

[mdenny]

More flexibility perhaps but we are likely a worse team

I'm not entirely sure if we would be worse or better. I think our ceiling would definitely be higher but our floor would be lower too.

The problem with our current team is that i kinda agree with those who think we are first round fodder for now. Raises for both Ingram and RJ next summer (2027, not "this" summer) make us a very expensive team while not actually contending. So i guess that's why i've been working the assumption that we will consolidate in some way before the deadline. We simply have too many players that will earn 30 milly or more without being a top 5 contender.

With this trade....we come out of it with one starter making significantly less than 30.

That's if you consider Risacher to be a legit starter, which I don't at this current point.

Not sure I would necessarily expect raises for RJ and BI to be a given either with how the market has become for non Max players.

In that context....Risarcher would become an assignment guy which one could argue would be a great role for him. He can effectively guard every position except for C.

I was one of the ppl saying that RJ played a huge role in our offense during the first 10 games when he wss getting dogged by alot of ppl. And we've looked alot better since he came back. But that dynamic gets reset when you add in a guy like Trae. It has the potential to change EVERYTHING on offense.

[Kurtz]

Young has Bucks desperation trade written all over him.

[PushDaRock]

I'm not entirely sure if we would be worse or better. I think our ceiling would definitely be higher but our floor would be lower too.

The problem with our current team is that i kinda agree with those who think we are first round fodder for now. Raises for both Ingram and RJ next summer (2027, not "this" summer) make us a very expensive team while not actually contending. So i guess that's why i've been working the assumption that we will consolidate in some way before the deadline. We simply have too many players that will earn 30 milly or more without being a top 5 contender.

With this trade....we come out of it with one starter making significantly less than 30.

That's if you consider Risacher to be a legit starter, which I don't at this current point.

Not sure I would necessarily expect raises for RJ and BI to be a given either with how the market has become for non Max players.

In that context....Risarcher would become an assignment guy which one could argue would be a great role for him. He can effectively guard every position except for C.

I was one of the ppl saying that RJ played a huge role in our offense during the first 10 games when he wss getting dogged by alot of ppl. And we've looked alot better since he came back. But that dynamic gets reset when you add in a guy like Trae. It has the potential to change EVERYTHING on offense.

If Young has the potential to be that big of a difference maker, why wouldn't you just surround him with the best talent possible and figure it out from there?

If you have a roster with Trae, Scottie and Ingram, you should really be a tax team anyways.

[TGM]

I think really depends on what Hawks are looking for. I feel like they are more in retool mode as to rebuild mode. So don’t think expiring is the only thing they will consider. They also have Kristals expiring this year so they will be a team with cap space, but there aren’t really a lot of strong FAs this summer making the cap space somewhat useless.

With the Raps I think we try to minimize chemistry disruption with the core. The core to me right now is Shead, Walter, RJ, Barnes, Ingram, Mamu and CMB. Everyone else can be moved without disrupting the broader success.

An interesting 3 way deal that works is

Raps send IQ, Jak, Mogbo, Dick, Ochai and 2026 first. Could argue first going to the Hawks instead.

Raps get Young, Kispert and Bagley

Hawks send

Trae, Porz and Kennard

hawks get

Hawks spice up their line-up by adding CJ and IQ along with Daniels and Kreji.IQ and Daniels make a solid long term back-court. CJ is their 6th off the bench. NAW starts at the 3. They add a young gunner in Dick who is only 22. Add depth at C since Okongwu fouls a lot him and Jak make a strong C tandem. Jalen starts at the 4.

Wizards get a pick without losing salary flexibility. Moving CJ gives room for Bub carrington to get more PT. They also add a young versatile PF in Mogbo on a cheap contract.

IQ, CJ, Dick, Jak

Wizards send

CJ, Bagley and Kispert

Wizards get

Kennard, Porz, Ochai, Mogbo and lotto protected first from Toronto.


Raps add an upgrade in young move out two big contracts. Add a strong 3 point threat in Kispert and Bagley becomes the new C. We seem to be figuring out the small ball line up with CMb and Barnes so Bagley is a big body that can play 20-25 minutes a game.

Young- Shead - Hepburn
RJ - Walter - Temple
Ingram - Kispert- Battle
Barnes - CMB
Bagley- Mamu- Mamba.

[metafisical]

Give me a break. We are not and will not be involved in any Young trade. We do not have the pieces that Atlanta wants.

[ItsDanger]

Overrated player. Feel bad for team that gets sucked into giving him extension. Albatross contract.

[Dexjackson]

Agree. Traes upcoming FA status and contract neutralizes his value. And he doesn’t play defense.

I think he’s a big upgrade over Quickley. But the deal would be something like IQ + Ochai + Mogbo + ‘28 lightly protected 1st

I don't like Young but I would do that deal. Only because the IQ deal has neutral/negative value. I don't like Young at all as a player but you have to have do this deal. IQ's deal IMO limits our ceiling.

Is the idea to re-sign Trae to a longer term deal? Let’s say he gets the Ingram special: 25% of the cap while looking to rehab his value. Now you’re looking at paying Trae $42m/yr+, which is $10m above what IQ is making. An extended Trae gives us zero cap space to improve anywhere else. I can’t see him taking anything less than 25% of the cap and he probably asks for more considering he's a 3x all-star.

Are we just doing it to let Trae expire and get IQ off the books? If so, how do we fill the PG position? Trading a protected 1st would hamper any other trades. We wouldn’t have cap space to sign anyone of significance (ie. see what happened when we had to settle for the Schroder’s of the world). Shead is not ready and I have significant doubts of his ability to ever become a starter based on his anemic scoring/shooting. If Trae opts in ($48m in ‘26/27) we have absolutely zero room to sign anyone to shore up the bench.

The truth of the matter is Trae has regressed. His theoretical 3pt shooting never really works out that way. He’s a great passer but he needs a lob threat (which we don’t have). But the biggest kicker is: he’s horrendous defensively.

Those in favor of trading for Trae should watch the recent Hawks/Knicks game. The Knicks attacked Trae every single time in the pnr. That is what we could expect if we are trying to have playoff success with Trae.

It’s not worth it imo. Trae has too many faults and he’s still going to command a large salary.

All good points. I honestly don't have a good answer as to what would be the plan after the Trae trade.

I think my post was biased by my frustration with IQ's limitations more than any desire to get Trae. I think we need to upgrade from IQ but don't know how we do it with that contract. He's a fine player but he's not worth that contract nor do I think he's a starting caliber level PG on a contending team.

Realistically if we made this trade, Trae would then simply replace IQ as the source of my frustration. I do hate his defense already. Trae and Gradey would be nightmare fuel defensively. Teams would just put both of them in PnR all day and feast. You've talked me out of this trade...how do we upgrade from IQ though?

[YogurtProducer]

Ya I think the pg position has the least impact on a teams overall defense. Having Trae would bring a completely different level of offense to our team.

I don’t think his defensive shortcomings will be as significant as we think.

Hali isn’t the best defensively, neither is Brunson. Both teams made it to the conference finals last year.

Obviously Trae isn’t as good as them but your point still stands.

Steph, Magic, and Nash are arguably the three greatest PGs of all time and they didn't play a lick of defence.

Elite defensive PGs like CP3, Lowry, and Billups were excellent, but it's not a requirement for being productive at the position.

The problem with Trae is that he obviously isn't an all-time great scorer/playmaker, but he can be very good. His 2019-2022 seasons were excellent. He singlehandedly took the Hawks to the ECF by outplaying Chokebiid.

If we want to go after a vet, Trae is the play. He's still only 27 and his value is at an all-time low right now. If he can regain his 2021-22 form, that's a top-20 player, arguably top-15. Trae playing to his potential is in that Brunson, Mitchell, Booker tier of player.

Just wanna say Steph not playing D isn’t true. He’s so damn smart that his team D is actually really freaking good.

[Son Goku 25]

I can definitely see bucks coming in trying to win Giannis over by getting Trae. How they do that I'm not sure.

[ArthurVandelay]

Hawks need a legit C. OO get manhandled in starting lineup. Hawks also need salary relief if they are swinging for Anthony Day2Davis.

Scott Perry drafted IQ. Kings need to make some changes and IQ playing off Sabonis isn't the worst out come for them.

With that backdrop....

Raptors
Get: Trae Young, Doug McDermott, Dario Saric
Trade: IQ, Poeltl, Ochai, two seconds
Why? No more Barnes and 4 bench players

Atlanta
Get: Poeltl, DeRozan, Devin Carter
Trade: Young
Why? Finally get a C. Derozan owed $10M next season. Defense minded PG on rookie deal. $15m less on the books next season.

Sacramento
Get: IQ, Ochai, 2 seconds
Trade: DeRozan, McDerott, Saric
Why? They have to do something lol Raptors sending 2 seconds to take on IQ contract.

[ArthurVandelay]

I can definitely see bucks coming in trying to win Giannis over by getting Trae. How they do that I'm not sure.

Giannis wants the ball in his hands more, not less.

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/milwaukee-bucks/giannis-antetokounmpo-desires-new-role-bucks/

“Do I believe that I can facilitate, I can make plays? Yeah. Do I believe that I got to give them space for them to grow? Yeah. Me and Stefan today we check the stats, right? Seven assists or more.

I’ve won 69% of my games. And, eight assists or more, 73% of my games. When I’m a point guard, we win. No, but just give them space to grow, man. I think they’re playing great.”

[TGM]

I see why people are criticising the defensive aspect of Trae, but IQ has been screwing the dog on D. His last few games he is not switching or on the switch he just lets his guy blow by him for a lay up. Trae is not much better. With this being said Trae’s passing ability will further elevate the Raptors offense. Your PG is your offensive engine and your C is your defensive engine.

Concerns around payroll are valid, but I think it is all relative to value. If Trae is getting 25-10 and helping us win games he is worth 25% of the cap. If Jak is healthy. Then a starting 5 of Young, RJ, Ingram, Barnes and Jak is pretty compelling.

With all this being said I do prefer Sabonis over Trae if we had to pick one of the two. I think we need more help at C than we do in the backcourt. I also think the cost to acquire a defensive guard that is 3 and D may not be as costly as we feel. We also could shift the PG duties away from the PG spot and instead have Barnes handle the ball.

[nikster]

I see why people are criticising the defensive aspect of Trae, but IQ has been screwing the dog on D. His last few games he is not switching or on the switch he just lets his guy blow by him for a lay up. Trae is not much better. With this being said Trae’s passing ability will further elevate the Raptors offense. Your PG is your offensive engine and your C is your defensive engine.

Concerns around payroll are valid, but I think it is all relative to value. If Trae is getting 25-10 and helping us win games he is worth 25% of the cap. If Jak is healthy. Then a starting 5 of Young, RJ, Ingram, Barnes and Jak is pretty compelling.

With all this being said I do prefer Sabonis over Trae if we had to pick one of the two. I think we need more help at C than we do in the backcourt. I also think the cost to acquire a defensive guard that is 3 and D may not be as costly as we feel. We also could shift the PG duties away from the PG spot and instead have Barnes handle the ball.

I dont know if you've seriously watched Trae defensively if you dont think theres a huge gap between him and IQ on that end

[Saul Goodman]

I’d go for it if you gave up what you did for Ingram


Quickley
Ochai
Mogbo
2026 1st lotto protected


For

Trae

[islandboy53]

I see why people are criticising the defensive aspect of Trae, but IQ has been screwing the dog on D. His last few games he is not switching or on the switch he just lets his guy blow by him for a lay up. Trae is not much better. With this being said Trae’s passing ability will further elevate the Raptors offense. Your PG is your offensive engine and your C is your defensive engine.

Concerns around payroll are valid, but I think it is all relative to value. If Trae is getting 25-10 and helping us win games he is worth 25% of the cap. If Jak is healthy. Then a starting 5 of Young, RJ, Ingram, Barnes and Jak is pretty compelling.

With all this being said I do prefer Sabonis over Trae if we had to pick one of the two. I think we need more help at C than we do in the backcourt. I also think the cost to acquire a defensive guard that is 3 and D may not be as costly as we feel. We also could shift the PG duties away from the PG spot and instead have Barnes handle the ball.

I dont know if you've seriously watched Trae defensively if you dont think theres a huge gap between him and IQ on that end

Quickley genuinely seems to work hard on the defensive end, and at times can actually put pressure on the ball handler. Trae is generally less effective than a pylon, as he often actively tries to avoid a player driving toward him. There's a reason Atlanta is a significantly better team without him.

[tsherkin]

Quickley genuinely seems to work hard on the defensive end, and at times can actually put pressure on the ball handler. Trae is generally less effective than a pylon, as he often actively tries to avoid a player driving toward him. There's a reason Atlanta is a significantly better team without him.

His D is pretty bad. Right now, their larger problem is how he disrupts their offense, I think. They are a more free-flowing team without him, the ball zipping around between JJ and Dyson Daniels and then just quick passes. Obviously, we didn't see them at our best because our guys did a great job on them. But it's a lot less unipolar when he isn't playing, which helps them out a lot, I think.

Obviously, they thrive on transition play this season, and Trae is more of a "smash PnR, HURRRR" kind of PG.

[HumbleRen]

Hali isn’t the best defensively, neither is Brunson. Both teams made it to the conference finals last year.

Obviously Trae isn’t as good as them but your point still stands.

Steph, Magic, and Nash are arguably the three greatest PGs of all time and they didn't play a lick of defence.

Elite defensive PGs like CP3, Lowry, and Billups were excellent, but it's not a requirement for being productive at the position.

The problem with Trae is that he obviously isn't an all-time great scorer/playmaker, but he can be very good. His 2019-2022 seasons were excellent. He singlehandedly took the Hawks to the ECF by outplaying Chokebiid.

If we want to go after a vet, Trae is the play. He's still only 27 and his value is at an all-time low right now. If he can regain his 2021-22 form, that's a top-20 player, arguably top-15. Trae playing to his potential is in that Brunson, Mitchell, Booker tier of player.

Just wanna say Steph not playing D isn’t true. He’s so damn smart that his team D is actually really freaking good.

Hasn’t been true since 2016.

He’s been the best defender out of the small guards by a decent bit.

Better than Dame, Brunson, Mitchell, Garland, Trae, Kyrie, etc. It’s a sizeable gap too.

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

I’d go for it if you gave up what you did for Ingram


Quickley
Ochai
Mogbo
2026 1st lotto protected


For

Trae

Better NOT call Saul!

Hell no to giving the 2026 1st for Trae (even lotto protected)