Week 2: Panthers Lead Up

Post #321 » by **humanrefutation** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:51 am

What annoys me about this whole thing is that Iceness is hiding from this forum. You make a statement like that, get called on it, and rather than directly responding, you release an article tainted with even more spin and BS.

We're right here, Iceness. Stop on by. We won't bite. We might call you out, though. You know better than to try to pull a fast one on us.

trwi7 · Post #322 » by **trwi7** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:13 am

humanrefutation wrote:We won't bite.

Speak for yourself.

Ill-yasova · Post #323 » by **Ill-yasova** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:52 am

http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110916/PKR01/110916141/Cobb-still-big-eyed-sharing-locker-room-Super-Bowl-champs?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Really Great interview with Cobb. He sounds thoughtful and polite, and his head seems to be squarely on his shoulders. I especially like the part where he talks about having to get used to the Northern WI accent.

Post #324 » by **Wade-A-Holic** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:10 am

humanrefutation wrote:What annoys me about this whole thing is that Iceness is hiding from this forum. You make a statement like that, get called on it, and rather than directly responding, you release an article tainted with even more spin and BS.

We're right here, Iceness. Stop on by. We won't bite. We might call you out, though. You know better than to try to pull a fast one on us.

I don't think any less of him for those remarks even though I strongly disagree with them. I can't think of a national pundit in existence that doesn't make himself or herself appear misinformed in my view from time to time. However, unlike the majority of national pundits out there, he's also thrown me/us some really good, interesting insight at times.

Post #325 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:15 pm

Ted Thompson is just being graded on a different level that is all. Happens with everyone as they improve and expectations change. The standard now is whether he's a great enough GM to win multiple super bowls. So in that context, things like missing on a first rounder or letting Cullen Jenkins walk are going to be what people talk about.

Post #326 » by **MickeyDavis** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:00 pm

Line down to 9.5 Early money has been on Panthers.

Post #327 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:36 pm

Don't have it anymore, but there's a big Rodgers piece in the weekly sports edition of the USA today. Collinsworth called him the best player in the game. Steve Young said he's got a legit chance to be better than Manning or Brady. He also said that Green Bay will be the team of the decade and you can basically pencil them in for multiple championships.

Oh, and elsewhere Joe Theisman called Rodgers the best passer in NFL history. So there's that I guess.

Kerb Hohl · Post #328 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:38 pm

DrugBust wrote:Don't have it anymore, but there's a big Rodgers piece in the weekly sports edition of the USA today. Collinsworth called him the best player in the game. Steve Young said he's got a legit chance to be better than Manning or Brady. He also said that Green Bay will be the team of the decade and you can basically pencil them in for multiple championships.

Oh, and elsewhere Joe Theisman called Rodgers the best passer in NFL history. So there's that I guess.

There was probably a better player on the board later in the first round.

OK, OK I'm done.

Kerb Hohl · Post #329 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:41 pm

Again, I'm a big Cam Newton optimist.

That said, coming from the guy that says preseason is not much to get worked up about...well, Cam barely completed 40% of his passes there and couldn't hit receivers. That says something about where he stands right now.

Flash forward to playing Arizona which looks to have a horrid defense. He looked like he's going to be pretty good going forward, but I will also say that the expectations should be tempered a bit. He racked up a bunch of yards on some really, really bad defense and wide open guys.

an_also · Post #330 » by **an_also** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:29 pm

DrugBust wrote:Don't have it anymore, but there's a big Rodgers piece in the weekly sports edition of the USA today. Collinsworth called him the best player in the game. Steve Young said he's got a legit chance to be better than Manning or Brady. He also said that Green Bay will be the team of the decade and you can basically pencil them in for multiple championships.

Oh, and elsewhere Joe Theisman called Rodgers the best passer in NFL history. So there's that I guess.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football ... 50309366/1

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #331 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:38 pm

an_also wrote:
DrugBust wrote:Don't have it anymore, but there's a big Rodgers piece in the weekly sports edition of the USA today. Collinsworth called him the best player in the game. Steve Young said he's got a legit chance to be better than Manning or Brady. He also said that Green Bay will be the team of the decade and you can basically pencil them in for multiple championships.

Oh, and elsewhere Joe Theisman called Rodgers the best passer in NFL history. So there's that I guess.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football ... 50309366/1

Every quote in that article came from someone fapping. Also, can't believe that Rodgers used the word 'dynasty.' Not saying it's a bad thing just surprised he used that word.

Bucksfans1and2 · Post #332 » by **Bucksfans1and2** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:33 am

Icness wrote:
Bucksfans1and2 wrote:At this point you're just trolling, having the Packers draft another Tackle, right?

Well, yeah, it's not like we have any idea what is going to happen during this NFL season and this college season. Just an early stab at who will wind up in the first round and a thought on where teams might be leaning come April. I do think they need another tackle though; IMO Bulaga is an NFL guard, Clifton will be gone, and they don't have any other tackles but Sherrod on the roster that belong. Do I think they'll take another 1st round tackle? No.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #333 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:04 am

Ever since our run last year, I look forward to every game like it's Christmas. I'm incredibly stoked for the game tomorrow and it's only week 2 v. Carolina. I don't think I've ever felt this way about a sports team, not even at the height of the Favre era.

OBF-MKE · Post #334 » by **OBF-MKE** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:16 am

Rodgers can make more throws than both of Manning and Brady, is just as good at reading defenses and knowing where to go with the ball, and is miles ahead of both with his feet.

And has the best targets in the league. They should be going for records.

Wilford Brimley · Post #335 » by **Wilford Brimley** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:22 am

LOL @ 5 Super Bowls. Fappity fap fap.

Post #336 » by **Icness** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:16 pm

humanrefutation wrote:What annoys me about this whole thing is that Iceness is hiding from this forum. You make a statement like that, get called on it, and rather than directly responding, you release an article tainted with even more spin and BS.

We're right here, Iceness. Stop on by. We won't bite. We might call you out, though. You know better than to try to pull a fast one on us.

Sorry, not hiding, I'm just not online much on weekends.

I'm not scrolling back thru all the pages, what are y'all going with here--Ted Thompson's drafts? I explained that. My biggest error was thinking he brought in Carroll and that's my mistake for not checking it. I would take Saffold or Nate Allen or TJ Ward or Devin McCourty over Bulaga any day, Ngata or Hali over Hawk any day, I don't really see that as being all that difficult choices. I'm still not a Bulaga supporter, he's a grabber and a lunger that's a better guard than tackle. He did have a nice opener. It helps him a lot that Sitton plays next to him and the OLBs are more worried about Finley flexed out than rushing the passer.

The point when I initially mentioned the Thompson drafting was more from the line of thinking that--wow, he's great later on, I'm surprised he hasn't been better in the 1st. Not so much slamming his 1sts as much as questioning why he doesn't do even better. Y'all are very touchy, jeesh.

Newz · Post #337 » by **Newz** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:42 pm

How do you do better than being the best first round drafter over those seven years? Should he just take the best player at whatever position he drafts every year?

Top 3 QB, top 3 pass rusher and a top 5 NT. Along with a solid RT and MLB. One bust and a guy who you can't judge yet at LT.

Ayt · Post #338 » by **Ayt** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:07 pm

Icness wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:What annoys me about this whole thing is that Iceness is hiding from this forum. You make a statement like that, get called on it, and rather than directly responding, you release an article tainted with even more spin and BS.

We're right here, Iceness. Stop on by. We won't bite. We might call you out, though. You know better than to try to pull a fast one on us.

Sorry, not hiding, I'm just not online much on weekends.

I'm not scrolling back thru all the pages, what are y'all going with here--Ted Thompson's drafts? I explained that. My biggest error was thinking he brought in Carroll and that's my mistake for not checking it. I would take Saffold or Nate Allen or TJ Ward or Devin McCourty over Bulaga any day, Ngata or Hali over Hawk any day, I don't really see that as being all that difficult choices. I'm still not a Bulaga supporter, he's a grabber and a lunger that's a better guard than tackle. He did have a nice opener. It helps him a lot that Sitton plays next to him and the OLBs are more worried about Finley flexed out than rushing the passer.

The point when I initially mentioned the Thompson drafting was more from the line of thinking that--wow, he's great later on, I'm surprised he hasn't been better in the 1st. Not so much slamming his 1sts as much as questioning why he doesn't do even better. Y'all are very touchy, jeesh.

This is the main problem.

Interesting how Packers GM Ted Thompson botches so many first round picks but strikes so much gold later in drafts. His undrafted players are vastly better than his first rounders, just bizarre.

Neither sentence is close to being accurate, which is, in your words, just bizarre.

Post #339 » by **Icness** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:24 pm

It was a poor choice of words, I agree. Again the emphasis was at how great he is later in drafts and after the draft, not on the firsts.

Post #340 » by **Wade-A-Holic** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:27 am

In this week's $.10, I commented that Packers GM Ted Thompson is fantastic at finding later-round and undrafted talent, but his first round picks have not met that high bar. This brought a perturbed reaction from several Packer Backers, most of which were along the lines of "So Aaron Rodgers, BJ Raji, and Clay Matthews all suck?!"

No, that is not the point I was hoping to convey. My intention was to highlight how great Thompson is at finding talent later in drafts, and that some of his first round picks have not met expectations.

I will use AJ Hawk as an example. Hawk is a solid starter that appears to have finally settled into his role. But he was the #5 overall pick in the draft. Chad Greenway was taken 12 picks later and has been just as good, if not better.

Haloti Ngata, the best defensive lineman in the game today, was taken #12, while impact rusher Tamba Hali was also on the board. Part of evaluating a draft is the "what could have been" factor.

Last year, he took Bryan Bulaga in the first round. Bulaga is an adequate right tackle, but Rodger Saffold is a better player and plays a more valuable position at left tackle. He went 10 picks later. This year his first rounder was Derek Sherrod, who was not even good enough to be the #3 tackle or guard in their opener, which doesn't exactly bode well for his future. He drafted Justin Harrell even though many teams had red flags on him for injury and commitment issues. Most teams would happily take Thompson and his first rounds, but the point I was trying to make is that where he makes his money is with the later picks. I also mistakenly believed he was responsible for bust Ahmad Carroll, but that predated Thompson by a year.

So the Packers should just give up on Sherrod after an abbreviated training camp in which they tried him primarily at a position that is totally foreign to him? ... Saffold and Bulaga have played a single season and Bulaga is a younger player. Do you have some sort of crystal ball we don't know about? As for Justin Harrell, teams draft players with comparable red flags in the first round all of the time; some pan out and some don't. Considering that, over the course of his tenure, Ted Thompson has one of the better overall records in terms of 1st round picks panning out, it's perplexing that you'd use it to illustrate the point you were trying to make.