PG: "It's Just Us Here."

[moocow007]

he'll stay. and we'll probably sign pau gasol this summer and go into next season with the same guards.

Don't **** with me, Shammgod. He'd better not. I think he knows he needs better guards. But that's only because of how damn obvious it is from the outside and how tough it is to get guys that matter.

You may have noticed, I've been eyeing the Blazers again recently. I ain't mad this time. But when you know the building has a tendency to burn down you at least gotta note the fire exits.

don't be upset, they're also gonna get david lee to be the new jason smith

I still remember folks on this board overrating the heck out of Jason Smith the year before they signed him. Was Jason Smith this. Jason Smith that. Jason Smith being able to help our defense blah blah blah lol.

[NOOB77]

lol i was like wth when i saw this. you would think the natural reaction would be escape dribble to the right forner corner 3 but he does a 360 spinning towards dude lol

when you accidentally hit the wrong move in 2k

Please. We were down 3. It's an excellent move in rhythm. Silly criticism.

While it is a cool play and all. We were down 3 and he ended up hitting a long 2. Wouldn't the smart play and the play above any criticism would have been to take the foul on the 3 pointer and go to the for three free throws?

[moocow007]

when you accidentally hit the wrong move in 2k

Please. We were down 3. It's an excellent move in rhythm. Silly criticism.

While it is a cool play and all. We were down 3 and he ended up hitting a long 2. Wouldn't the smart play and the play above any criticism would have been to take the foul on the 3 pointer and go to the for three free throws?

Could be but I think Fisher is still debating the merits of that option...along with possibly fouling Drummond down the stretch...maybe we'll see what he decided...when do the Knicks play the Pistons again?

[K_ick_God]

when you accidentally hit the wrong move in 2k

Please. We were down 3. It's an excellent move in rhythm. Silly criticism.

While it is a cool play and all. We were down 3 and he ended up hitting a long 2. Wouldn't the smart play and the play above any criticism would have been to take the foul on the 3 pointer and go to the for three free throws?

I thought it was a 3. If not then different story, although looks to me he was at least going for a 3.

[newyorker4ever]

The knife just has to cut both ways. You can't discredit for the start and credit for the comeback.

That said, coach needs to have the team ready to give effort. If Fisher is a motivator, then it should just be about missed shots. But I saw Detroit open up the game with jump shot practice. Knicks came out pancake booty flat.

I won't look at the comeback effort in a vacuum though. Sometimes you wake up after you get hit in the mouth. But that first half was one of the sorriest displays of basketball in recent memory. We were sixers bad.


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Ok then tell me thi and i'm not sticking up for Fisher but this is a legit question. How do you know that it's the fault of Fisher for them not coming with the effort needed and that he didn't do everything he could to pep talk them into giving everything they have and it was just the players coming out in their own funk?? All Fisher can do is talk to them and tell them they need to give everything they have when they get out on the court, he can't do anything more than that. All season long it's been said how hard these guys play even when they're out of the game and it's been pretty noticeable.

The task you are talking about is exactly what Fisher's job is to do. If they come out flat, then that is his fault. If they come out fired up and ready, he gets credit. But how a team plays completely falls on the shoulders of the coach.

If people wanna blame the coach for a team not coming out with enough energy then that's their choice but it doesn't mean the're right in doing so. Players have to play and these guys are grown azz men so if they can't play with energy then a big part of that is on them. Not all on them but at least half the fault is on them.

[moocow007]

Ok then tell me thi and i'm not sticking up for Fisher but this is a legit question. How do you know that it's the fault of Fisher for them not coming with the effort needed and that he didn't do everything he could to pep talk them into giving everything they have and it was just the players coming out in their own funk?? All Fisher can do is talk to them and tell them they need to give everything they have when they get out on the court, he can't do anything more than that. All season long it's been said how hard these guys play even when they're out of the game and it's been pretty noticeable.

The task you are talking about is exactly what Fisher's job is to do. If they come out flat, then that is his fault. If they come out fired up and ready, he gets credit. But how a team plays completely falls on the shoulders of the coach.

If people wanna blame the coach for a team not coming out with enough energy then that's their choice but it doesn't mean the're right in doing so. Players have to play and these guys are grown azz men so if they can't play with energy then a big part of that is on them. Not all on them but at least half the fault is on them.

This question that I'm going to ask has been asked again and again with each successive coach that the Knicks have had since Larry Brown. "What is the job of the head coach then?"

So the coach shouldn't be responsible for how the team plays. He shouldn't be responsible for players not doing their job. He shouldn't be responsible for stupid substitutions. He shouldn't be responsible if the team does poorly. Right? So then what should he be responsible for? What is he being paid all that money to do? Why don't they just dress up an organ grinder monkey (no offense intended Demarcus) and have him be the head coach. You can literally pay him with bananas (again no insult intended Demarcus) instead of millions upon millions of Dolans somewhat hard earned cash. Bananas are 27 cents a pound, I'm sure the Knicks can get it for even less.

Same defense for D'Antoni. Same defense for Larry Brown. Somehow not the same defense for Mike Woodson.

[K_ick_God]

Ok then tell me thi and i'm not sticking up for Fisher but this is a legit question. How do you know that it's the fault of Fisher for them not coming with the effort needed and that he didn't do everything he could to pep talk them into giving everything they have and it was just the players coming out in their own funk?? All Fisher can do is talk to them and tell them they need to give everything they have when they get out on the court, he can't do anything more than that. All season long it's been said how hard these guys play even when they're out of the game and it's been pretty noticeable.

The task you are talking about is exactly what Fisher's job is to do. If they come out flat, then that is his fault. If they come out fired up and ready, he gets credit. But how a team plays completely falls on the shoulders of the coach.

If people wanna blame the coach for a team not coming out with enough energy then that's their choice but it doesn't mean the're right in doing so. Players have to play and these guys are grown azz men so if they can't play with energy then a big part of that is on them. Not all on them but at least half the fault is on them.

Like it or not, players respond to their coaching and follow that lead. Leaders lead. Good coaching leads to good effort and bad coaching will end up in gaps in your energy and aptitude -- it always happens no matter how grown the people being coached are, or how skilled/knowledgeable they are about the game. The coach either keeps it humming or doesn't. No such thing as self-coached teams. Not even the Spurs.

[Sark]

Ok then tell me thi and i'm not sticking up for Fisher but this is a legit question. How do you know that it's the fault of Fisher for them not coming with the effort needed and that he didn't do everything he could to pep talk them into giving everything they have and it was just the players coming out in their own funk?? All Fisher can do is talk to them and tell them they need to give everything they have when they get out on the court, he can't do anything more than that. All season long it's been said how hard these guys play even when they're out of the game and it's been pretty noticeable.

The task you are talking about is exactly what Fisher's job is to do. If they come out flat, then that is his fault. If they come out fired up and ready, he gets credit. But how a team plays completely falls on the shoulders of the coach.

If people wanna blame the coach for a team not coming out with enough energy then that's their choice but it doesn't mean the're right in doing so. Players have to play and these guys are grown azz men so if they can't play with energy then a big part of that is on them. Not all on them but at least half the fault is on them.

Then what's the job of the coach? He doesn't score any baskets. He doesn't defend anyone. His entire job is to have then prepared strategically. If they come out unprepared, then it's entirely his fault. He gets credit for getting them back in the game in the second half, or is that all on the players too?

[Greenie]

When Phil got here he kept saying he wasn't married to the triangle. That he just wanted system basketball that didn't 100% rely on pick and roll after pick and roll and to let everybody on the floor get involved. That he wanted to be like the Spurs.

Everybody should be down for that. So then IDK why we're being so damn strict with the triangle. Other teams incorporate triangle sets into their offense, but they're much more versatile. All that talk about Fish altering the system a bit and wanting to push the pace have all went out the window. This team is as slow, predictable, stagnant, and jump shot happy as ever. The ugliest offense I've seen in quite a while.

Would like to see what happens if we threw this isosceles system out the window and just gave Grant the keys to run said pick and roll after pick and roll with our starters instead of Lou Amundson.

Grant is ineffective at the P&R due to his lack of a jumper and inconsistency at the rim.

[GONYK]

The task you are talking about is exactly what Fisher's job is to do. If they come out flat, then that is his fault. If they come out fired up and ready, he gets credit. But how a team plays completely falls on the shoulders of the coach.

If people wanna blame the coach for a team not coming out with enough energy then that's their choice but it doesn't mean the're right in doing so. Players have to play and these guys are grown azz men so if they can't play with energy then a big part of that is on them. Not all on them but at least half the fault is on them.

Then what's the job of the coach? He doesn't score any baskets. He doesn't defend anyone. His entire job is to have then prepared strategically. If they come out unprepared, then it's entirely his fault. He gets credit for getting them back in the game in the second half, or is that all on the players too?

Knicks have been coming out flat for 15 years. Was Fisher coaching then too?

Detroit came out flat against us when we played them in MSG. Is SVG a sh*tty coach too?

Spurs came out flat against GSW and where wholly unprepared for the ass kicking they received. They also came out flat and lost in the first 2 weeks of the season to the Pelicans when all they had was AD and no backcourt. Fire Pop?

[GONYK]

The task you are talking about is exactly what Fisher's job is to do. If they come out flat, then that is his fault. If they come out fired up and ready, he gets credit. But how a team plays completely falls on the shoulders of the coach.

If people wanna blame the coach for a team not coming out with enough energy then that's their choice but it doesn't mean the're right in doing so. Players have to play and these guys are grown azz men so if they can't play with energy then a big part of that is on them. Not all on them but at least half the fault is on them.

Like it or not, players respond to their coaching and follow that lead. Leaders lead. Good coaching leads to good effort and bad coaching will end up in gaps in your energy and aptitude -- it always happens no matter how grown the people being coached are, or how skilled/knowledgeable they are about the game. The coach either keeps it humming or doesn't. No such thing as self-coached teams. Not even the Spurs.

The Spurs come out flat all the time. Golden State also does it all the time and even did it against us.

[moocow007]

If people wanna blame the coach for a team not coming out with enough energy then that's their choice but it doesn't mean the're right in doing so. Players have to play and these guys are grown azz men so if they can't play with energy then a big part of that is on them. Not all on them but at least half the fault is on them.

Then what's the job of the coach? He doesn't score any baskets. He doesn't defend anyone. His entire job is to have then prepared strategically. If they come out unprepared, then it's entirely his fault. He gets credit for getting them back in the game in the second half, or is that all on the players too?

Knicks have been coming out flat for 15 years. Was Fisher coaching then too?

Detroit came out flat against us when we played them in MSG. Is SVG a sh*tty coach too?

Spurs came out flat against GSW and where wholly unprepared for the ass kicking they received. They also came out flat and lost in the first 2 weeks of the season to the Pelicans when all they had was AD and no backcourt. Fire Pop?

If the Pistons and the Spurs were doing that consistently, absolutely SVG would be **** and Pops should be fired. No one is saying that it's all on Fisher, but rather trying to determine what a head coach is actually responsible for.

[bigfnjoe96]

Did KP wear that stupid Black T-shirt under his Jersey? Ever since he's put that T-shirt on his game has gone to ****.

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It's a compression shirt to help with his injury, not just a "stupid Black T-shirt".

The lack of production probably has more to do with the injury than the shirt.

If the injury is the problem then sit the kid down. It's not like we're starving due to a lack of big men

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[god shammgod]

this game was pretty important. team currently in the 8th spot, we're on a losing streak. if there was a game to get up for....this was it.

[moocow007]

Look...the Knicks clearly don't have the talent and from that respect you can't expect gold for most of the Knicks. So losing more games than they win isn't the problem. That's probably expected. But the problem is when the Knicks play like they have like zombies and/or appear ill prepared that's got to be on the coaching staff.

[K_ick_God]

If people wanna blame the coach for a team not coming out with enough energy then that's their choice but it doesn't mean the're right in doing so. Players have to play and these guys are grown azz men so if they can't play with energy then a big part of that is on them. Not all on them but at least half the fault is on them.

Like it or not, players respond to their coaching and follow that lead. Leaders lead. Good coaching leads to good effort and bad coaching will end up in gaps in your energy and aptitude -- it always happens no matter how grown the people being coached are, or how skilled/knowledgeable they are about the game. The coach either keeps it humming or doesn't. No such thing as self-coached teams. Not even the Spurs.

The Spurs come out flat all the time. Golden State also does it all the time and even did it against us.

Of course. Everything is in degrees. There's Warriors flat and then there's down 24 early in the 2nd -- flatness we can't afford. Spurs are the best effort team in the NBA. Maybe one of the best in history.

[newyorker4ever]

The task you are talking about is exactly what Fisher's job is to do. If they come out flat, then that is his fault. If they come out fired up and ready, he gets credit. But how a team plays completely falls on the shoulders of the coach.

If people wanna blame the coach for a team not coming out with enough energy then that's their choice but it doesn't mean the're right in doing so. Players have to play and these guys are grown azz men so if they can't play with energy then a big part of that is on them. Not all on them but at least half the fault is on them.

This question that I'm going to ask has been asked again and again with each successive coach that the Knicks have had since Larry Brown. "What is the job of the head coach then?"

So the coach shouldn't be responsible for how the team plays. He shouldn't be responsible for players not doing their job. He shouldn't be responsible for stupid substitutions. He shouldn't be responsible if the team does poorly. Right? So then what should he be responsible for? What is he being paid all that money to do? Why don't they just dress up an organ grinder monkey (no offense intended Demarcus) and have him be the head coach. You can literally pay him with bananas (again no insult intended Demarcus) instead of millions upon millions of Dolans somewhat hard earned cash. Bananas are 27 cents a pound, I'm sure the Knicks can get it for even less.

Same defense for D'Antoni. Same defense for Larry Brown. Somehow not the same defense for Mike Woodson.

So let me make sure i have these 4 things you said correct that Fisher is responsible for.
#1--How bad the team plays
#2--Not doing their job
#3--Stupid substitutions
#4--If the team does poorly

So it seems to me like #1 and #4 would be the same thing in how bad they play and if they do poorly. So #2 is should he be responsible if they don't do their job?? That would be a yes but not sure where i said anything about him not being responsible for them not doing their job and i didn't know they weren't doing their job unless you have another meaning for what their job is exactly? So if you'd like to let me know what that is then that would be great. So #3 is the stupid substitutions. This one is tough cause EVERY head coach has put a player or a rotation in the game that hasn't worked even Popovich cause it's not like he or anyone knew that that player or rotation wasn't gonna work before he put it in the game or that player or rotation wouldn't of been put in the game and it seems to me like he's been really good at calling a timeout and changing out that player or rotation when it isn't working so i don't understand that one since it happens with EVERY head coach. So that leaves me with the one thing i did say he shouldn't be fully responsible for which is if the players play the game with energy and it still leaves me with my same feeling that it's at least half on the players to act like the professionals they are and play with energy. So i'm going with a 50-50 split between the coach and players on that one.

[newyorker4ever]

Then what's the job of the coach? He doesn't score any baskets. He doesn't defend anyone. His entire job is to have then prepared strategically. If they come out unprepared, then it's entirely his fault. He gets credit for getting them back in the game in the second half, or is that all on the players too?

Knicks have been coming out flat for 15 years. Was Fisher coaching then too?

Detroit came out flat against us when we played them in MSG. Is SVG a sh*tty coach too?

Spurs came out flat against GSW and where wholly unprepared for the ass kicking they received. They also came out flat and lost in the first 2 weeks of the season to the Pelicans when all they had was AD and no backcourt. Fire Pop?

If the Pistons and the Spurs were doing that consistently, absolutely SVG would be **** and Pops should be fired. No one is saying that it's all on Fisher, but rather trying to determine what a head coach is actually responsible for.

Actually you're saying it's on Fisher and you say that in like 3 or 4 posts up. I say and stand behind that it's a 50-50 split.

[K_ick_God]

If people wanna blame the coach for a team not coming out with enough energy then that's their choice but it doesn't mean the're right in doing so. Players have to play and these guys are grown azz men so if they can't play with energy then a big part of that is on them. Not all on them but at least half the fault is on them.

Then what's the job of the coach? He doesn't score any baskets. He doesn't defend anyone. His entire job is to have then prepared strategically. If they come out unprepared, then it's entirely his fault. He gets credit for getting them back in the game in the second half, or is that all on the players too?

Knicks have been coming out flat for 15 years. Was Fisher coaching then too?

Detroit came out flat against us when we played them in MSG. Is SVG a sh*tty coach too?

Spurs came out flat against GSW and where wholly unprepared for the ass kicking they received. They also came out flat and lost in the first 2 weeks of the season to the Pelicans when all they had was AD and no backcourt. Fire Pop?

All a matter of degrees. Of course nothing works perfectly, and the more talent you have the bigger the room for error.

We haven't had a really good coach in a long, long time. Woodson was maybe about average or a little better or worse. Then you'd have to go back to JVG for decency but he was a flawed coach too.

I don't think Fisher is necessarily awful long-term. Right now his inexperience shows too often, or he'll never be too good at the job.

[GONYK]

Then what's the job of the coach? He doesn't score any baskets. He doesn't defend anyone. His entire job is to have then prepared strategically. If they come out unprepared, then it's entirely his fault. He gets credit for getting them back in the game in the second half, or is that all on the players too?

Knicks have been coming out flat for 15 years. Was Fisher coaching then too?

Detroit came out flat against us when we played them in MSG. Is SVG a sh*tty coach too?

Spurs came out flat against GSW and where wholly unprepared for the ass kicking they received. They also came out flat and lost in the first 2 weeks of the season to the Pelicans when all they had was AD and no backcourt. Fire Pop?

If the Pistons and the Spurs were doing that consistently, absolutely SVG would be **** and Pops should be fired.

The Spurs do it all the time. They just have enough talent and composure to overcome it as the game goes on. There is no reason the Spurs should be losing 1st qtrs to Milwaukee and Phoenix and getting blown out by NOP and such. Hell they did it last week against the Cavs.

In fact, the Spurs are almost in below league average when it comes to 1st qtr scoring, but in the top 5 for the 2nd and 3rd qtrs.

If they can't get up for games against the Warriors and the Cavs, is Pop on the line for having them "unprepared" to play the 2 teams most likely stopping them from a ring?