The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

[coolhandluke121]

When are you going to realize that it's **** like this, not your self-professed "objective criticism", that makes people not take anything you say about Jabari seriously? It's completely understandable to have reservations about a player and his overall potential, but your visible disdain for Jabari Parker's character is pathetic.

Not liking the way I say things doesn't change the fact that they're true. When are you going to admit that Jabari was a terrible investment since day 1 for all the exact reasons I predicted he would be? Even if one of those things had been true, he would have been a bust. ALL of them turned out to be true. And people still want to rationalize paying him. We're worse than the Raptors board.

ETA: Wow, this is exactly the same as all those times people dismissed Sigra for calling Redd sneakily selfish despite superficially being an obvious high character guy. Anyone else see the uncanny similarities there?

[SupremeHustle]

When are you going to realize that it's **** like this, not your self-professed "objective criticism", that makes people not take anything you say about Jabari seriously? It's completely understandable to have reservations about a player and his overall potential, but your visible disdain for Jabari Parker's character is pathetic.

Not liking the way I say things doesn't change the fact that they're true. When are you going to admit that Jabari was a terrible investment since day 1 for all the exact reasons I predicted he would be? Even if one of those things had been true, he would have been a bust. ALL of them turned out to be true. And people still want to rationalize paying him. We're worse than the Raptors board.

ETA: Wow, this is exactly the same as all those times people dismissed Sigra for calling Redd sneakily selfish despite superficially being an obvious high character guy. Anyone else see the uncanny similarities there?

I'm just here to read the comments and to say I was suspicious about Redd before anyone on this board.

[coolhandluke121]

ETA: Wow, this is exactly the same as all those times people dismissed Sigra for calling Redd sneakily selfish despite superficially being an obvious high character guy. Anyone else see the uncanny similarities there?

I'm just here to read the comments and to say I was suspicious about Redd before anyone on this board.

Redd was a tough one. Had me fooled big time. He's the one who taught me that you could be a really good scorer and not be a good player at all.

[M-C-G]

When are you going to realize that it's **** like this, not your self-professed "objective criticism", that makes people not take anything you say about Jabari seriously? It's completely understandable to have reservations about a player and his overall potential, but your visible disdain for Jabari Parker's character is pathetic.

all the exact reasons I predicted he would be? Even if one of those things had been true, he would have been a bust. ALL of them turned out to be true. And people still want to rationalize paying him. We're worse than the Raptors board.

Ummmm, to be fair, you literally negged him in every single area. Like every single thing about the guy. I mean, a couple of months ago you were warning us he would be 300 lbs right now. You threw a ton of **** off the wall, and when Jabari improved in some of those areas, they just fell off your plate of active criticisms.

Anyways, I don't think you can even see it anymore. I think your experience with Redd wrecked you, deep down to the core, it broke something inside you. As for wanting a max contract, I'll just add it to your list of active criticisms;

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wants max contract
future sumo wrestler
can't shoot
public speaking is bad
may have gingivitis, needs to floss more
reads too many books
deodorant usage is suspect
can shoot threes, for nowwwwwwwwwwwwwww...
100% dependent on Giannis to score
can't create for others
unathletic
plays defense with his eyes closed
scoring potential is Shareef Abdur Rahim
runs to the press when asked by the press about what happened
swims within an hour of eating lunch
saw him run with scissors
may have ties to ISIS
facial hair requires maintenance
may end Giannis' career by tripping him
library books probably over due
I think he speeds when he drives
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[M-C-G]

You had some arguments that were very relevant, obviously as some have been proved, but the manner in which you present them and the manner in which you fail to acknowledge when you they may have been incorrect, and the manner in which you beat your chest and play the victim card, all the while being a giant turd while talking to people is why people can't talk to you any more. You see it as "they can't handle the truth and I am just the messenger from God", but the reality is that when it comes to Jabari, you've just become a obsessive, grandiose snot bubble.

I'm happy to discuss virtually any other topic however. I'll also add, probably best you prepare yourself that he is going to get paid, we may want to set you up near a hospital or psych ward before they announce the details in your own best self interest.

[emunney]

I think the only way he ends up getting a huge deal is if he has a great playoffs. I don't think we're extending him. I don't think they're close.

[M-C-G]

I think the only way he ends up getting a huge deal is if he has a great playoffs. I don't think we're extending him. I don't think they're close.

I thought you were right, but I also thought there is no way that Philly would extend Embiid either. Hard to say, but would be really pleased if it was a three year deal with some kind of option at this point if we do extend.

[BroncoBuck]

Are people calling Jabari a bust? Guy put up an efficient 20+ a night in a lineup devoid of scorers. Pre-draft everyone compared him to Big Dog and that’s exactly who he has been. He blew out his knee twice, which no one would have seen coming. Embiid couldn’t even workout before the draft because his back, foot and knee were so screwed up. No team was taking him over Jabari and Wiggins.

[Prince12]

No, everyone is just terrified about the contract situation and discussing possible options while chl tries to tell everyone how great he is as usual.

[jute2003]

I don't think a Big Dog comparison is "nailing" Jabari, before he went down we where talking about scoring titles in his future. He also isn't a selfish offensive player. At the end of the day the real issue with Jabari is the knees

Is it though? How selfish do you have to be to want a max contract in his situation? How much does he do to help any other player on the team? An occasional pass doesn't make up for abject neglect of all the other little things you have to do in order to be an overall positive contributor. Cinematographer showed that literally ever other player on the team was significantly worse when playing with Jabari compared to playing without him, both on offense and on defense. The team has completely transformed into a much better team both times he got hurt. Compare that to a guy like LRMAM in his first 3 years, who literally had no offensive talent whatsoever and yet instantly transformed the Bucks into a much better team every time he stepped on the court. Selfishness isn't just lack of passing; it's lack of being aware of any way you can help the team when there's no imminent chance of you getting the ball and having the offense revolve around you. He never boxes out or sets good screens, never really facilitates which is a different skill from passing to an open man, plays literally some of the worst off-ball defense in the history of the NBA, and can hardly even be bothered so shed his extra body fat and keep it off. And now he wants the max. GTFO, seriously. That's selfish.

When are you going to realize that it's **** like this, not your self-professed "objective criticism", that makes people not take anything you say about Jabari seriously? It's completely understandable to have reservations about a player and his overall potential, but your visible disdain for Jabari Parker's character is pathetic.

Even if he just didn't have to let every one know about his objective criticisms over and over and over.... I could just ignore him. Since he does have to let everyone know over and over and over...... He opens himself up to ridicule. Obviously, that doesn't bother him at all though because he's way to smart. Just ask him

[coolhandluke121]

No, everyone is just terrified about the contract situation and discussing possible options while chl tries to tell everyone how great he is as usual.

Nah, it's actually me telling a lot of people how terrible their takes are. I don't think any of my takes about Jabari were prescient at all. They were really obvious, so it's nothing to brag about.

[Prince12]

No, everyone is just terrified about the contract situation and discussing possible options while chl tries to tell everyone how great he is as usual.

Nah, it's actually me telling a lot of people how terrible their takes are. I don't think any of my takes about Jabari were prescient at all. They were really obvious, so it's nothing to brag about.

Haha

[coolhandluke121]

probably best you prepare yourself that he is going to get paid, we may want to set you up near a hospital or psych ward before they announce the details in your own best self interest.

And that's why I'm so sarcastic and pissed off about the whole thing. Keeping Jabari was one of the biggest mistakes any sports team I have been a fan of in my lifetime has made, and people are talking about staying the course. It boggles the mind.

And I didn't throw **** at the wall. Go through all my criticisms and they're all about these things:

- weight and injury risk
- terrible defense negating most, if not all, of his offense
- not doing anything to help the team except score
- terrible stamina
- acting like a finesse perimeter player and not using his body effectively in boxing out, setting screens, posting up, etc
- not a great fit next to Giannis; need a 3-and-d guy

All of which is true, and was pretty obvious when he was drafted, and are things that respected national writers like Lowe are talking about on a regular basis. He's just bleh, like Redd and Big Dog before him. You don't get many chances to trade guys like that when they still have value, and the Bucks wasted theirs. Don't compound the problem by paying him.

[DingleJerry]

I know this has been going on so long so I know everyone is burned out on the argument over and over. But I don't really see CHL being rude to anyone throughout it whereas he gets constantly attacked. And he and GoS were attacked and mocked during Jabari's hot streak last year. Sure it's repetitive but so is everyone else on the other side of the argument so I don't see how he's any worse than anyone else, he's just in the minority so he stands out more.

The biggest irony type thing I've seen throughout is a board so quick to mock PPGZZ is overwhelmingly making excuses for Jabari and spinning positive for Jabari on how he still can improve and be a useful player. Before I get attacked, I actually do agree with that view point. I also just think it should apply to all players to find their pluses and try to use them as much as possible while tryign to mask their weaknesses as much as possible. That's coaching 101. But we're so quick to trash other guys and act like they are who they are with no chance of improvement or better utilization by a coach, yet so optimistic for him.

[PANDEMONEUM]

25$M - All Star
20$M - Quality Starter
12$M - Average Starter
10$M - Quality Role Player
7$M - Average Bench Player
**** - 3rd ACL, out another 1.5 years and all hope for average starter or better is gone

2 acl injuries on the same knee, has never let a player get to allstar or quality level
are the Bucks going to pay 20$M+ to Jabari and take that risk?

thats basically putting the next 5 years all on Jabaris knees.
if he gets injured again, or cant get to allstar or quality starter level in production,
wev then wasted all of Giannis' years,
the teams rise gets stalled.

i like Jabari.
without acl injuries, i expected him to be the Bucks leading scorer and make it to all star.
but,
to pay him large amounts of $ and he doesnt reach those top 2 levels, just hurts the team.

we are hoping jabari doesnt get injured again,
we are hoping jabari can still be the dynamic scorer that he is,
we are hoping jabari can get to quality/allstar levels
thats too much risk imo

[Lippo]

No on wants to point at the elephant in the room, but maybe what would be "Best For The Bucks" is mild ACL/MCL sprain 10 -20 games back after playing poorly, teams get scared off and maybe offer him only 4yr / 36-40m as a RFA and we can match based on Suki's feedback...

[Gianstoppable]

25$M - All Star
20$M - Quality Starter
12$M - Average Starter
10$M - Quality Role Player
7$M - Average Bench Player
**** - 3rd ACL, out another 1.5 years and all hope for average starter or better is gone

2 acl injuries on the same knee, has never let a player get to allstar or quality level
are the Bucks going to pay 20$M+ to Jabari and take that risk?

thats basically putting the next 5 years all on Jabaris knees.
if he gets injured again, or cant get to allstar or quality starter level in production,
wev then wasted all of Giannis' years,
the teams rise gets stalled.

i like Jabari.
without acl injuries, i expected him to be the Bucks leading scorer and make it to all star.
but,
to pay him large amounts of $ and he doesnt reach those top 2 levels, just hurts the team.

we are hoping jabari doesnt get injured again,
we are hoping jabari can still be the dynamic scorer that he is,
we are hoping jabari can get to quality/allstar levels
thats too much risk imo

Its clear that most of us would like Jabari back and even can make 20 per year but there has to be an out or insurance clause in his contract. We already are near our cap and going forward we dont need him to be a cap hit for multiple years because he gets hurt yet again.

[Gianstoppable]

No on wants to point at the elephant in the room, but maybe what would be "Best For The Bucks" is mild ACL/MCL sprain 10 -20 games back after playing poorly, teams get scared off and maybe offer him only 4yr / 36-40m as a RFA and we can match based on Suki's feedback...

I have a feeling teams would still offer more than 4/36 I think 4/60 would be his minimum, but who knows

[VooDoo7]

SI piece.

Jabari is definitely in shape. If that's 'fat', I wish I were fat.

Wish nothing but the best for this guy.

https://t.co/jwx57nXjC7

[Lippo]

No on wants to point at the elephant in the room, but maybe what would be "Best For The Bucks" is mild ACL/MCL sprain 10 -20 games back after playing poorly, teams get scared off and maybe offer him only 4yr / 36-40m as a RFA and we can match based on Suki's feedback...

I have a feeling teams would still offer more than 4/36 I think 4/60 would be his minimum, but who knows

How evil would it be to bring him back a bit early to facilitate this scenario. (Joe MacMillan would be proud)