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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Mental health breakdown...battling homeless situation.closg00 wrote:CCJ, where are you with your draft board?
Life got very tough and I was weeks hospitalized.
On a city bus just now finding out that the draft is today.
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Thank you, closg00.closg00 wrote:Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Mental health breakdown...battling homeless situation.closg00 wrote:CCJ, where are you with your draft board?
Life got very tough and I was weeks hospitalized.
On a city bus just now finding out that the draft is today.
Sent from my SM-J337T using RealGM mobile app
The Draft is June 20
awolfinwater wrote:Big time lurker on this board but got excited when I saw data sciency basketball analytics.payitforward wrote:youngWizzy wrote:...Are you saying that blocks, steals, turnovers, should be weighted higher? I agree and think that's actually pretty interesting and something I'm going to try. There is indeed an option to weigh each column differently for the Euclidean distance algorithm. How would you weigh each category?
Absolutely! They have different effects on the game. Try these weights...
Positive:
Point = 1
Offensive rebound = 1
Defensive rebound = .5
Steal = 1
Assist = .5
Block = .5
Negative:
FGA = -1
FTA = -.4
TO = -1
PF = -.5
...& lets see what you come up with.
I assume you are doing this all per some number of minutes -- i.e. not per game -- or else using total minutes & then adjusting between players based on the difference in minutes.
Also, I assume you are not also doing % stats. I.e. TS% or 2pt FG%, 3pt FG%, etc. If you use those then your result will multiply the effect of the different raw numbers (which, obviously, are the basis of the %s).
Couple of suggestions.
1) You need to normalize variables before applying euclidean distance. Otherwise, all of your % features (TS, 3PT, etc...) are outweighed by your total number features (TRB, PTS, etc...). Look into RobustScaler or StandardScaler out of sklearn.
2) Some mentioned weights for the impact of different features towards importance in NBA. That adds some complexity but probably more useful if your goal is to understand projection in the NBA. To do this quickly, I would obtain career NBA WS/48 for each college player in your dataset and build 5 linear regressions (one for each position) to come up with those relative weights. Curious to see what this looks like.
-- Side note: if you do this, you now quickly have a model to estimate NBA performance based on college stats. A lot of people have done this (myself included), and they are typically garbage models. When I got out of the sports analytics game, hand size / standing reach and other measureables had higher predictive power than college performance.
3) Agree with comment on using per possession stats instead of per game. If you use per36, it is proper to Pace adjust those metrics.
4) UI / UX: everyone is on mobile. I'd recommend leveraging bootstrap.js or some responsive framework to spice up the UI. I don't need to see each stat, having the distance converted into a % match and maybe 3/4 stats based on the position would be easier to read. I like the picture profile. Nice touch.
Cool stuff. Hope you enjoyed the app building project. If you're looking to break-in to the industry, continue to hone these skills and take a trip to the Sloan Conference. I think student gets a tremendous discount.
Dat2U wrote:payitforward wrote:...When Brandon Clarke is a quality starter+ in the league, you'll admit you were wrong about him while I was right, correct?...
I have Clarke 9th, where we pick, lol! I don't dislike him and I think he can be a starter next to a stretch big but b/c the lack of length & center-like skill level I have trouble seeing where the offensive production comes from so I question how good of a starter he would be. Still, I think he's a safe pick and if he went to Wizards he'd probably find a way to contribute positively sooner than later....
Dat2U wrote:payitforward wrote:One thing that interests me is... how far can high bbiq & an understanding of how to play the game take a guy these days if his athleticism is lacking. In this draft, I call that the Dedric Lawson question. This kid shot .393 on 3-pointers & .815 from the line while grabbing 12.6 boards per 40 minutes. Kansas leaned on his production very heavily. It'll be very interesting to see what he's able to do in the league
...The modern game has evolved so much over the last 10-15 years that I believe we've crossed the threshold where athleticism no longer matters.
People questioned the athleticism of Curry, Harden, Beal, Doncic, Jokic, Trae Young etc etc. It doesn't matter. I finally learned that this year lol. Skill/IQ makes up for a lack of athleticism on offensive end. IQ/Effort & determination makes up for a lack of athleticism on the defensive end.
doclinkin wrote:Dat2U wrote:No trade down? Goga at #9. I know what I've said about the C position but he's clearly the best player that I think will be available where we pick. If were doing the Portland model, he's our Nurkic. Actually, stylistically he's more Enes Kanter but with defensive intensity and shot blocking instincts.
Trade down with Bos for 14 & 22? At 14, If Goga is gone, I'd look at Herro who has similar draft profile to Booker. Not quite the shot creator but he's not just spot up shooter. He's the best pure shooter available. A premium in today's NBA.
At 22, if Bol slips I jump on it if Herro was my guy at 14. Bol has red flags but his height + skill combo is one of a kind. At 22, he's well worth the gamble. If Bol is gone I'd hope a guy like Kabengele, Samanic or Grant Williams is on the board.
Ideal draft:
14 - Goga Bitadze
22 - Luka Samanic
Works for me.
closg00 wrote:Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Mental health breakdown...battling homeless situation.closg00 wrote:CCJ, where are you with your draft board?
Life got very tough and I was weeks hospitalized.
On a city bus just now finding out that the draft is today.
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The Draft is June 20
Pray...payitforward wrote:Ken -- don't hesitate. What can we do to give you some help?
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Pray...payitforward wrote:Ken -- don't hesitate. What can we do to give you some help?
Tonight, I'm in a half way house shelter. Drug rehab guys most long not using . Safe off the street ronight but short term solution only
My problem is I cant think like I once did. Getting in another complex requires prep and focus.
Just pray for my paperwork to get streamlined through for over 55 housing. That and most of all that I am well and safe.
Doctors ... help and hurt at the same time
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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Pray...payitforward wrote:Ken -- don't hesitate. What can we do to give you some help?
Tonight, I'm in a half way house shelter. Drug rehab guys most long not using . Safe off the street ronight but short term solution only
My problem is I cant think like I once did. Getting in another complex requires prep and focus.
Just pray for my paperwork to get streamlined through for over 55 housing. That and most of all that I am well and safe.
Doctors ... help and hurt at the same time
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TGW wrote:CCJ--check your twitter DM later today brother.
nate33 wrote:Illmatic12 wrote:
Sato/George Hill (MLE)
Beal/Hill/McCrae
Ariza/Brown
Clarke/Parker/Green
Bryant/Howard/Green
Theoretically that should be a much better defensive squad than last years catastrophe. Surround Beal with a bunch of high IQ guys who know their role and hustle (and Jabari who is none of those things but can put up a quick 16-20pts and has cool dunks , so why not?) .. looks like a fun scrappy little team similar to what Oladipo has around him in Indy.
Kidding aside, the Clarke/Parker tandem at PF is what I'm thinking too. Brandon Clarke with a half-decent catch-and-shoot 3-point ball would be a very good fit with the starters because he's defense first and will help shore up the so-so defense of Bryant. Parker off the bench provides scoring punch, and if Parker ever works up to being a two way player, he could be a star.
I'm not thrilled about adding both Hill and Ariza to the mix, that's a lot of old dudes with no future. If there's luxtax room available after signing Parker, Bryant and Sato, I'd lean toward a younger guy like Ruzious' suggestion of Mudiay, or Dat2U's suggestion of Vonleh.
With our salary cap situation, the only old dudes with no future I want to pay are guys who will sign for the vet minimum.
NatP4 wrote:With how miserable a situation the wizards are in, I’d really enjoy just watching a team of Sato-Beal-Brown and Brandon Clarke play. Throw some money at Dwight Powell. Maybe throw some more money at Seth Curry. Buy into round 2 and take Jontay Porter. Acquire another 2nd and take Ty Jerome.
Sato Jerome
Beal Curry
Brown Jr
Clarke Powell
Bryant Mahinmi
Illmatic12 wrote:nate33 wrote:Illmatic12 wrote:
Sato/George Hill (MLE)
Beal/Hill/McCrae
Ariza/Brown
Clarke/Parker/Green
Bryant/Howard/Green
Theoretically that should be a much better defensive squad than last years catastrophe. Surround Beal with a bunch of high IQ guys who know their role and hustle (and Jabari who is none of those things but can put up a quick 16-20pts and has cool dunks , so why not?) .. looks like a fun scrappy little team similar to what Oladipo has around him in Indy.
Kidding aside, the Clarke/Parker tandem at PF is what I'm thinking too. Brandon Clarke with a half-decent catch-and-shoot 3-point ball would be a very good fit with the starters because he's defense first and will help shore up the so-so defense of Bryant. Parker off the bench provides scoring punch, and if Parker ever works up to being a two way player, he could be a star.
I'm not thrilled about adding both Hill and Ariza to the mix, that's a lot of old dudes with no future. If there's luxtax room available after signing Parker, Bryant and Sato, I'd lean toward a younger guy like Ruzious' suggestion of Mudiay, or Dat2U's suggestion of Vonleh.
With our salary cap situation, the only old dudes with no future I want to pay are guys who will sign for the vet minimum.
Gotta admit Parker’s offense won me over as the season went on. He has decision-making flaws but if you put him in space he’s unstoppable and scores in the flow of the offense , we can use at least one guy like that next to Beal.
The idea behind George Hill is that he can play both guard spots , and due to our roster/depth issues we will need to prioritize multi-positional players who can flesh out an 8-man playoff rotation.
The other thing is I’m not totally sure the team views Troy Brown as a 3.. Brooks is developing him as an oversized PG, which means we have no SF. Ariza is the best 3&D guy I can think of who we could realistically sign , but not sure what his salary demands are going to be. Maybe split the MLE between Ariza and Danuel House ? Bring back Jeff Green for the vet min . If we buy into the second round there are some interesting options maybe a long defender like KZ Okpala
Sato/Brown/{Wall}
Beal/McCrae
Ariza/House/Okpala
Clarke/Parker/Green
Bryant/Howard/Mahinmi
That’s a fun rotation, athletic as hell, good mix of youth and vets.
Ruzious wrote:I don't trust Parker to stay in shape and be a team player. I wouldn't sign him for more than $5 mil a year, and someone else is bound to offer him more.