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Re: Center Options 

Post#321 » by luciano-davidwesley » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:51 pm

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KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:Rank these options from your favorite to least favorite ways of filling the center hole:

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(1) - Trade #11 and cap space for Christian Wood
(2) - Trade #11 and Gordon Hayward to Indiana for Myles Turner or Domantas Sabonis
(3) - Draft a C at #11 and sign an MLE center (Theis/Noel/Zeller/Harrell) as a stopgap, or trade minimal value for Adams/TT
(4) - Draft a C at #11 and trade a future protected pick for a good stopgap in Nurkic/Valanciunas/Zubac
(5) - Give Jarrett Allen an exorbitant contract offer that Cleveland wouldn't match (near max, also renouncing Monk in the process)
(6) - Don't draft a center, offer $12-14M to Richaun Holmes, settle for Theis/Noel/Harrell/Zeller if he doesn't sign, and roll with Carey as a backup
(7) - Ignore the center position, use all available resources on wings and forwards, sign a Whiteside or Drummond, bring them off the bench and start PJ at C

My preference
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2, 1, 4, 3, 6, 7, 5


6, 2, 3...big gap..., 7, 4, 1, 5

I agree with this
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Re: Center Options 

Post#322 » by BigSlam » Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:40 pm

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:Rank these options from your favorite to least favorite ways of filling the center hole:

(1) - Trade #11 and cap space for Christian Wood
(2) - Trade #11 and Gordon Hayward to Indiana for Myles Turner or Domantas Sabonis
(3) - Draft a C at #11 and sign an MLE center (Theis/Noel/Zeller/Harrell) as a stopgap, or trade minimal value for Adams/TT
(4) - Draft a C at #11 and trade a future protected pick for a good stopgap in Nurkic/Valanciunas/Zubac
(5) - Give Jarrett Allen an exorbitant contract offer that Cleveland wouldn't match (near max, also renouncing Monk in the process)
(6) - Don't draft a center, offer $12-14M to Richaun Holmes, settle for Theis/Noel/Harrell/Zeller if he doesn't sign, and roll with Carey as a backup
(7) - Ignore the center position, use all available resources on wings and forwards, sign a Whiteside or Drummond, bring them off the bench and start PJ at C

My preference
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2, 1, 4, 3, 6, 7, 5

3 (assuming this means we draft Jones or Segun at #11)
6 (assuming this means we draft Moody or Bouknight at #11)
1
7 (assuming this means we draft Moody or Bouknight at #11)
2 (assuming this means we get Sabonis and not Turner)
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Re: Center Options 

Post#323 » by JDR720 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:23 am

2 - I'd do that for Sabonis, not for Turner.
3 - This is the most likely scenario IMO.
6 - Although I would augment this scenario to include signing more than 1 FA center.
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7- I can see this happen. Although both Drummond and Whiteside would start.
5- I don't really value Monk, but I'd rather have Allen than Wood.
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1- This would be very, very irritating. We literally had Wood on the team a couple years ago. Double-face palm.
4- I'd be fine with drafting a center, but I wouldn't trade a 1st for a stopgap. Just resign Cody instead.
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Re: Center Options 

Post#324 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:43 am

amcoolio wrote:Want no part of Turner after what KOC said today on the podcast...Indy is shopping him for a reason

I have no idea who KOC is ... what was this about?
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Re: Center Options 

Post#325 » by luciano-davidwesley » Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:06 am

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amcoolio wrote:Want no part of Turner after what KOC said today on the podcast...Indy is shopping him for a reason

I have no idea who KOC is ... what was this about?

Kevin O'Connor's- the ringer if I'm not mistaken
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Re: Center Options 

Post#326 » by Benjamin Linus » Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:58 am

I don't know what KOC has said about Turner, but I wouldn't give up anything significant for him. He kinda sucks outside of rim protection and is legitimately bad at rebounding. Per36 stats compared to Cody

Turner - 14.6 pts, 7.6 rebs, 1.2 assists on 48 FG%
Zeller - 16.2 pts, 11.7 rebs, 3.1 assists on 60 FG%
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Re: Center Options 

Post#327 » by Snidely FC » Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:41 pm

If we aren't going to draft a rim protector/rim runner (Kai Jones, Isaiah Jackson, Jericho Sims) then I would rather take a modern Stretch 5 than a post animal (Alperen Sengun) in this draft and the Stretch 5 I like this year is Filip Petrusev. Think: Cody Zeller if he could actually shoot, Zach Collins if he could stay healthy

Originally a post scorer who went overseas and expanded his game to the perimeter, and then won the Adriatic League MVP.

Great interior finisher who has touch, footwork, and the explosiveness to dunk in open space. He does a nice job of sealing off defenders in the post and using hook shots or power moves.

Good shooter from 3 and from the line. He can also face up from the post and drain jumpers.

Decisive decision-maker passing the ball, especially out of the post, and knows when to attack off the catch.

Far better rebounder than his numbers indicate, since he often played with a second big, but he boxes out and displays awareness tracking the ball.

Aware, intelligent defender who does a good job in the pick-and-roll. He isn’t an elite shot blocker, but he makes an impact with his positioning.

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With Lamelo at PG and Vernon Carey signed for 4 years I would rather have Filip Petrusev's archetype than Alps Sengun's in this draft
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Re: Center Options 

Post#328 » by Bassman » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:07 pm

Based on this draft and our situation:

6 - Go get Holmes but offer more cause he’s worth it on this team (seeking 4 years $80M). Holmes fits the Hornets well…much better than an undersized PJ at the 5.

5 - Go get Allen, swallow hard on the big contract, and keep building. Allen is young and could be the key piece to contending for the East.

2 - Would only do this for Sabonis as it’s too much for Turner. Sabonis would be perfect, but Indy’s not dealing a young all star for an older vet and this pick. If they would this would be my first preference.
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Re: Center Options 

Post#329 » by amcoolio » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:41 pm

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amcoolio wrote:Want no part of Turner after what KOC said today on the podcast...Indy is shopping him for a reason

I have no idea who KOC is ... what was this about?


He has heard concerns that Turner is too soft and he gets destroyed by Embiid and the elite bigs, and his rebounding/post play leaves a lot to be desired. His value isn't as high around the league as Pacers fans make it out to be on the trade board (Pacers fans would not take PJ and 11 for Turner)
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Re: Center Options 

Post#330 » by Benjamin Linus » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:16 pm

amcoolio wrote:
Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:
amcoolio wrote:Want no part of Turner after what KOC said today on the podcast...Indy is shopping him for a reason

I have no idea who KOC is ... what was this about?


He has heard concerns that Turner is too soft and he gets destroyed by Embiid and the elite bigs, and his rebounding/post play leaves a lot to be desired. His value isn't as high around the league as Pacers fans make it out to be on the trade board (Pacers fans would not take PJ and 11 for Turner)


Yo the pacers fans on the trade boards are out of their goddamn minds lol they act like he’s Anthony Davis or something. No joke the last deal I saw on their had Turner going for Wiseman, 7 & 14 lmaoooooo
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Re: Center Options 

Post#331 » by Diop » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:21 pm

I think Cleveland match Allen no matter what. Just a gut feeling.

I think we’re going to have to overpay for Holmes. I don’t see the front office being patient after what ball did and how well the team performed.
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Re: Center Options 

Post#332 » by JMAC3 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:28 pm

If we trade PJ and 11 for Turner that will be one of the worst trades this franchise has ever made. Not only is that a lot of assets to give up for him, but Turner also makes 17.5 Million compared to PJ making 4 million. We have 20 million in cap space, so we would only have 7 million to spend on a free agent after absorbing the salary difference.

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Turner and 7 million in cap space vs PJ, 11th pick, and 20 million in cap space. Yikes
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Re: Center Options 

Post#333 » by LofJ » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:34 pm

I want the team to punt our cap space to next summer. There will be so many better options then. I'd give Drummond a big one year deal to prove to the league he can be a winning player. Then we move on and target one of the plethora of bigs next summer - Valanciunas, Nurkic, Carter, Bamba, Williams, Robinson, Harrell, Zubac, Bryant, etc.

Edit: Now that I think about it some more, it makes more sense to trade for one of the guys above. Assuming the cost isn't unreasonable of course.
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Re: Center Options 

Post#334 » by BigSlam » Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:20 pm

Holmes at $20mil per year isn’t any better than Allen at $25 mil per year to me.

I think both are an over pay.
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Post#335 » by GoBobs » Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:45 pm

1 Trade Rozier or Hayward to move up a few picks in the draft and get a little extra cap space. Draft Sengun. Sign Lonzo with the extra cap space. Trade a future first for Bamba.

2 Pray Sengun falls to 11 and we take him. Trade a future first for Bamba.

3 Somebody else takes Sengun. Trade our pick for Turner or Wood. Future first for Bamba.

4 Draft best player we can. Sign Thies or Whiteside. Trade for Bamba.
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Re: Center Options 

Post#336 » by amcoolio » Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:48 pm

GoBobs wrote:1 Trade Rozier or Hayward to move up a few picks in the draft and get a little extra cap space. Draft Sengun. Sign Lonzo with the extra cap space. Trade a future first for Bamba.

2 Pray Sengun falls to 11 and we take him. Trade a future first for Bamba.

3 Somebody else takes Sengun. Trade our pick for Turner or Wood. Future first for Bamba.

4 Draft best player we can. Sign Thies or Whiteside. Trade for Bamba.


Sengun won't even be drafted in the lottery in my opinion, and he isn't a center. If you are playing Sengun you need a Kevin Durant type PF to play next to him
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Re: Center Options 

Post#337 » by GoBobs » Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:58 pm

amcoolio wrote:
GoBobs wrote:1 Trade Rozier or Hayward to move up a few picks in the draft and get a little extra cap space. Draft Sengun. Sign Lonzo with the extra cap space. Trade a future first for Bamba.

2 Pray Sengun falls to 11 and we take him. Trade a future first for Bamba.

3 Somebody else takes Sengun. Trade our pick for Turner or Wood. Future first for Bamba.

4 Draft best player we can. Sign Thies or Whiteside. Trade for Bamba.


Sengun won't even be drafted in the lottery in my opinion, and he isn't a center. If you are playing Sengun you need a Kevin Durant type PF to play next to him


He would give us a strong physical player who would rebound on both ends. That is the main thing we need on defense, not to get killed on the boards every night. PJ, Miles, and McDaniels can provide decent help for rim protection. We need somebody that wants to bang down low.

On offense he would give us an inside threat that isn’t a drive. Right now if our 3s are not falling we have nothing else. He would also give us a guy that can draw fouls at a high rate.

He likely goes before we pick and ends up top 3-4 in a redraft.
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Re: Center Options 

Post#338 » by geraldwallace » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:50 pm

Draft a shooting guard and let Monk walk
Offer Holmes 4/60 or 3/51

If Holmes doesn’t sign offer Noel 2/22
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Post#339 » by Roll Tide 09 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:48 am

We don't need to trade Rozier unless he helps bring back a PROVEN STAR or a Top 3 draft pick. Worst case scenario, we can sign Drummond and Cousins (didn't look at his contract). We need a veteran-led and defensive Front Court.
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Re: Center Options 

Post#340 » by SWedd523 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:21 am

Roll Tide 09 wrote:We don't need to trade Rozier unless he helps bring back a PROVEN STAR or a Top 3 draft pick. Worst case scenario, we can sign Drummond and Cousins (didn't look at his contract). We need a veteran-led and defensive Front Court.

Signing Drummond and Cousins is definitely worst case scenario territory
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