Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

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You've been right many times in the past, it's true. Which explains why you are still walking the Earth!

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Cavs want to trade Drummond.

Maybe they'd like Russell Westbrook?

[Wizardspride]

Cavs want to trade Drummond.

Maybe they'd like Russell Westbrook?

[gambitx777]

Maybe if they didn't have a stack of young guards sure. But for them there isn't much upside like a team like the pistons or okc would have getting a medium asset for westbrook plus the pg body that they can actually use. You would nee to maybe do a three team? Or something ? To get them enough assets to get ur drummand and have someone take westbrook.

Cavs want to trade Drummond.

Maybe they'd like Russell Westbrook?

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[Dark Faze]

Ok I’m starting to get worried about our record. Would really love a trade of Beal at the deadline at this point. We really really need a top 3 pick.

[Ruzious]

Ok I’m starting to get worried about our record. Would really love a trade of Beal at the deadline at this point. We really really need a top 3 pick.

That's a legit reason to trade Beal now rather than later. They are going to win several more games with Beal than they would without him. it makes a big difference.

[Ruzious]

Maybe if they didn't have a stack of young guards sure. But for them there isn't much upside like a team like the pistons or okc would have getting a medium asset for westbrook plus the pg body that they can actually use. You would nee to maybe do a three team? Or something ? To get them enough assets to get ur drummand and have someone take westbrook.

Cavs want to trade Drummond.

Maybe they'd like Russell Westbrook?

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It just might not make a lot of sense for Cleveland to take on Westbrook's ridiculous contract AND then bench Sexton or Garland to play Westbrook.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Maybe if they didn't have a stack of young guards sure. But for them there isn't much upside like a team like the pistons or okc would have getting a medium asset for westbrook plus the pg body that they can actually use. You would nee to maybe do a three team? Or something ? To get them enough assets to get ur drummand and have someone take westbrook.

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It just might not make a lot of sense for Cleveland to take on Westbrook's ridiculous contract AND then bench Sexton or Garland to play Westbrook.

But he brings energy and veteran savvy.

[nate33]

Ok I’m starting to get worried about our record. Would really love a trade of Beal at the deadline at this point. We really really need a top 3 pick.

Keep in mind with the new, flatter lottery odds, the advantages of being the very worst team aren't that big.

The worst team has a 52.1% chance at a top 4 pick.
The 2nd worst team has a 52.1% chance at a top 4 pick.
The 3rd worst team has a 52.1% chance at a top 4 pick.
The 4th worst team has a 48.1% chance of a top 4 pick.
The 5th worst team has a 42.1% chance of a top 4 pick.
The 6th worst team has a 37.2% chance of a top 4 pick.
The 7th worst team has a 31.9% chance of a top 4 pick.

The standings currently look like this:

Chicago Bulls - 11-15
Houston Rockets - 11-16
Memphis Grizzlies - 11-11
Miami Heat - 11-16
New Orleans Pelicans - 11-15
Oklahoma City Thunder - 11-15
Cleveland Cavaliers - 10-19
Orlando Magic - 10-18
Detroit Pistons - 8-19
Washington Wizards - 8-17
Minnesota Timberwolves - 7-20

Of those teams, I'm sure Miami, Memphis and New Orleans will stay ahead of us because they want to win now. Houston risks a lot by tanking because they don't have their pick unless it's top 4 so they'll probably keep trying too. Chicago looks good enough to want to keep fighting for the playoffs so I don't think they'll tank unless they get injuries. So that really only leaves 6 teams who might think about tanking: OKC, Cleveland, Orlando, Detroit, Washington and Minnesota.

So I figure the best we'll do is 6th from last. But Cleveland and OKC look frisky enough to accidentally win more games than us, and Orlando probably hasn't committed to the tank yet either. Hopefully, we will still fall in the 3rd to 4th range, which give us the same odds as last place.

Also, let's not forget that we still suck. We beat awful, injury-depleted teams like Houston and Chicago recently, but Boston is our only respectable win in a while, and we probably just caught them at a really bad time. Real teams that know what they're doing absolutely destroy us. We've got a 5 game stretch here where it is almost certain that we will lose all 5: vDEN, @POR, @LAL, @LAC, @DEN.

[nate33]

Would you trade Beal straight up for Jaylen Brown?

I think I would.

He is under contract for 3 more years, he is only 24 years old, and he improves every year. We lose Beal's offense but get Jaylen's defense, which is probably better for our developing roster - other guys would get to learn from Brown's example on defense. Meanwhile, we would be forced to diversify our offense more, which would help to develop Hachimura and Avdija. Overall, we'd probably be worse in the short term because Jaylen can't carry a team by himself as well as Beal can, which would land us a higher pick.

A year from now, we'd have a top 3 pick, Jaylen, Hachimura, Avdija, Bryant, more cap room, and no looming contract crisis. That team has more balance between offense and defense and it is no longer straddling the fence between win-now and plan for the future.

Trading Beal for a top 3 pick would be better, but this is better than trading Beal for, say, a Pelicans package of 4 future picks outside the lottery.

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Maybe if they didn't have a stack of young guards sure. But for them there isn't much upside like a team like the pistons or okc would have getting a medium asset for westbrook plus the pg body that they can actually use. You would nee to maybe do a three team? Or something ? To get them enough assets to get ur drummand and have someone take westbrook.

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It just might not make a lot of sense for Cleveland to take on Westbrook's ridiculous contract AND then bench Sexton or Garland to play Westbrook.

I should have used green font -- I didn't think of it as a serious suggestion.

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Would you trade Beal straight up for Jaylen Brown?

I think I would.

He is under contract for 3 more years, he is only 24 years old, and he improves every year. We lose Beal's offense but get Jaylen's defense, which is probably better for our developing roster - other guys would get to learn from Brown's example on defense. Meanwhile, we would be forced to diversify our offense more, which would help to develop Hachimura and Avdija. Overall, we'd probably be worse in the short term because Jaylen can't carry a team by himself as well as Beal can, which would land us a higher pick.

A year from now, we'd have a top 3 pick, Jaylen, Hachimura, Avdija, Bryant, more cap room, and no looming contract crisis. That team has more balance between offense and defense and it is no longer straddling the fence between win-now and plan for the future.

Trading Beal for a top 3 pick would be better, but this is better than trading Beal for, say, a Pelicans package of 4 future picks outside the lottery.

Huh... I wouldn't have thought of this, but it is unquestionably an advantageous move in rebuilding this team. We do lose something offensively, but not much, as Brown is averaging 31 points per 40 minutes at a TS% north of 60%.

Might be hard for them salary-wise....

[gambitx777]

So I say let's just try to win?

Wiz get : lowery, drummand, nittlkina, McCaw, brazdelkis, 2 2023 seconds from my via utah and pistons

Cavs : ish Smith

Raptors : horford and hill

NYK : lopez, davis Bertans

Thunder : westbrook, bryant , 2021 second from NYK via pistons 2021 first via raptors top ten protected extinguished if not conveyed.

So why?
Thunder get the tank rolling and get their home grown hero back to end his carer their. Also big brain move they got a pick for selling him for cp3 got value for cp3 and now are taking value to take westbrook. A high second and a young big. Also they get a first for horford and hill when horford is on that really bad contract.

Cavs they basically cut drummand but only have to pay 6 mill to do it in this trade. Drummand has almost no value because they know he's going to seek a buyout of not traded.

Toronto : this makes them legit a play off team, hill isn't far off lowery at this point and horford fits that team and fortifys a week center position !

NYK they get a discount on a great shooter on a slump and get a back up play of robinson doesn't recover fast or has a set back. A few seconds and two guys that don't play is really good for them for what they get they need shooting bad and Bertans can and will provide that once he get his grove back, the team defence is good enough they won't suffer from davis too badly.

Wizards. Well they dump westbrook with out goving out a pick. They get a couple of seconds the year they lose the pick for westbrook. And they get two guys who might help beal win. Drummond may be empty stats but he might fit well with beal.lowery while on a down slide fits better with beal than westbrook does. McCaw gets cut and nitillkina and the other guy can settle into bench rolls. If we start winning cool. If we don't then we trade beal in the summer and love on.

I don't think I'm too far off on value but maybe a bit idk.

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[nate33]

So I say let's just try to win?

Wiz get : lowery, drummand, nittlkina, McCaw, brazdelkis, 2 2023 seconds from my via utah and pistons

Cavs : ish Smith

Raptors : horford and hill

NYK : lopez, davis Bertans

Thunder : westbrook, bryant , 2021 second from NYK via pistons 2021 first via raptors top ten protected extinguished if not conveyed.

So why?
Thunder get the tank rolling and get their home grown hero back to end his carer their. Also big brain move they got a pick for selling him for cp3 got value for cp3 and now are taking value to take westbrook. A high second and a young big. Also they get a first for horford and hill when horford is on that really bad contract.

Cavs they basically cut drummand but only have to pay 6 mill to do it in this trade. Drummand has almost no value because they know he's going to seek a buyout of not traded.

Toronto : this makes them legit a play off team, hill isn't far off lowery at this point and horford fits that team and fortifys a week center position !

NYK they get a discount on a great shooter on a slump and get a back up play of robinson doesn't recover fast or has a set back. A few seconds and two guys that don't play is really good for them for what they get they need shooting bad and Bertans can and will provide that once he get his grove back, the team defence is good enough they won't suffer from davis too badly.

Wizards. Well they dump westbrook with out goving out a pick. They get a couple of seconds the year they lose the pick for westbrook. And they get two guys who might help beal win. Drummond may be empty stats but he might fit well with beal.lowery while on a down slide fits better with beal than westbrook does. McCaw gets cut and nitillkina and the other guy can settle into bench rolls. If we start winning cool. If we don't then we trade beal in the summer and love on.

I don't think I'm too far off on value but maybe a bit idk.

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I have no idea what is going on in this trade. How hard is it to list what each team is sending and what they are receiving?

As far as I can tell, this trade is laughably homerific. We trade Westbrook, Bertans, Lopez and Ish and somehow get back Kyle Lowry and Drummond? And we still get some 2nd round picks in the deal? LOL

[Ruzious]

Would you trade Beal straight up for Jaylen Brown?

I think I would.

He is under contract for 3 more years, he is only 24 years old, and he improves every year. We lose Beal's offense but get Jaylen's defense, which is probably better for our developing roster - other guys would get to learn from Brown's example on defense. Meanwhile, we would be forced to diversify our offense more, which would help to develop Hachimura and Avdija. Overall, we'd probably be worse in the short term because Jaylen can't carry a team by himself as well as Beal can, which would land us a higher pick.

A year from now, we'd have a top 3 pick, Jaylen, Hachimura, Avdija, Bryant, more cap room, and no looming contract crisis. That team has more balance between offense and defense and it is no longer straddling the fence between win-now and plan for the future.

Trading Beal for a top 3 pick would be better, but this is better than trading Beal for, say, a Pelicans package of 4 future picks outside the lottery.

Huh... I wouldn't have thought of this, but it is unquestionably an advantageous move in rebuilding this team. We do lose something offensively, but not much, as Brown is averaging 31 points per 40 minutes at a TS% north of 60%.

Might be hard for them salary-wise....

Same here - the thought hadn't crossed my mind. But yeah - I'd do it. Brown is such a talented defender - and has that extra bulk - similar to Harden - that allows him to overpower players while also having top athleticism.

[nate33]

Read on Twitter

Detroit has given up on Griffin. He'll either be traded or bought out if a trade doesn't materialize.

Spoiler alert: a trade won't materialize. There is only one asset out there that is arguably as bad as Griffin... which brings me to my trade proposal:

Westbrook for Griffin straight up!

Detroit traded away Rose and Hayes has an ACL injury, so they don't really have anyone to run the offense. Westbrook actually makes some sense for them in that respect. He doesn't make sense for them contractually and I can't really think of any other reasons for them to do this, but I figure it's at least worth a phone call.

For us, we do it and then buy out Blake. It's much cheaper than paying Westbrook.

[Eli Babak]

So I say let's just try to win?

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I have no idea what is going on in this trade. How hard is it to list what each team is sending and what they are receiving?

As far as I can tell, this trade is laughably homerific. We trade Westbrook, Bertans, Lopez and Ish and somehow get back Kyle Lowry and Drummond? And we still get some 2nd round picks in the deal? LOL

I guess something like...

WAS trades: Ish Smith, Robin Lopez, Davis Bertans, Russell Westbrook, Thomas Bryant
WAS gets: Kyle Lowry, Andre Drummond, Frank Ntilikina, Patrick McCaw, Ignas Brazdeikis, 2 2023 2nds (Detroit & Utah)
Wizards dump 2 bad contracts (Bertans & Westbrook). Smith & Lopez are expiring veterans. Bryant is out with serious injury and his best role is most likely energy big off the bench. In return they get 2 2nds, a look at 2 expiring veterans and fillers. I still like Ntilikina...

CLE trades: Andre Drummond
CLE gets: Ish Smith
Cavs save money. That's it.

TOR trades: Kyle Lowry, Patrick McCaw, 2021 1st (top-10 protected, extinguished if not conveyed)
TOR gets: Al Horford, George Hill
Seems like Ujiri has left the building and it's Ernie's empire now. They trade well liked veteran & a pick in an interesting draft for injured PG and badly overpaid C.

NYK trades: Ignas Brazdeikis, 2 2023 2nds (Detroit & Utah), 2021 2nd (Detroit)
NYK gets: Robin Lopez, Davis Bertans
Robinson is injured, so Lopez brings some depth. They have the cap space to eat Bertans' contract and give up few seconds in order to do so.

OKC trades: Al Horford, George Hill
OKC gets: Russell Westbrook, Thomas Bryant, 2021 2nd (Detroit), 2021 1st via TOR (top-10 protected, extinguished if not conveyed)
I mean, I see the point, but I doubt they wanna bring Westbrook back. He's not as smart & fitting veteran as CP3 was last season. Better use that cap space for something else.

Westbrook for Griffin straight up!

For us, we do it and then buy out Blake. It's much cheaper than paying Westbrook.

I'd be more than fine with that.

[nate33]

So I say let's just try to win?

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I have no idea what is going on in this trade. How hard is it to list what each team is sending and what they are receiving?

As far as I can tell, this trade is laughably homerific. We trade Westbrook, Bertans, Lopez and Ish and somehow get back Kyle Lowry and Drummond? And we still get some 2nd round picks in the deal? LOL

I guess something like...

WAS trades: Ish Smith, Robin Lopez, Davis Bertans, Russell Westbrook, Thomas Bryant
WAS gets: Kyle Lowry, Andre Drummond, Frank Ntilikina, Patrick McCaw, Ignas Brazdeikis, 2 2023 2nds (Detroit & Utah)

CLE trades: Andre Drummond
CLE gets: Ish Smith

TOR trades: Kyle Lowry, Patrick McCaw, 2021 1st (top-10 protected, extinguished if not conveyed)
TOR gets: Al Horford, George Hill

NYK trades: Ignas Brazdeikis, 2 2023 2nds (Detroit & Utah), 2021 2nd (Detroit)
NYK gets: Robin Lopez, Davis Bertans

OKC trades: Al Horford, George Hill
OKC gets: Russell Westbrook, Thomas Bryant, 2021 2nd (Detroit), 2021 1st via TOR (top-10 protected, extinguished if not conveyed)

[gambitx777]

So I say let's just try to win?

Wiz get : lowery, drummand, nittlkina, McCaw, brazdelkis, 2 2023 seconds from my via utah and pistons

Cavs : ish Smith

Raptors : horford and hill

NYK : lopez, davis Bertans

Thunder : westbrook, bryant , 2021 second from NYK via pistons 2021 first via raptors top ten protected extinguished if not conveyed.

So why?
Thunder get the tank rolling and get their home grown hero back to end his carer their. Also big brain move they got a pick for selling him for cp3 got value for cp3 and now are taking value to take westbrook. A high second and a young big. Also they get a first for horford and hill when horford is on that really bad contract.

Cavs they basically cut drummand but only have to pay 6 mill to do it in this trade. Drummand has almost no value because they know he's going to seek a buyout of not traded.

Toronto : this makes them legit a play off team, hill isn't far off lowery at this point and horford fits that team and fortifys a week center position !

NYK they get a discount on a great shooter on a slump and get a back up play of robinson doesn't recover fast or has a set back. A few seconds and two guys that don't play is really good for them for what they get they need shooting bad and Bertans can and will provide that once he get his grove back, the team defence is good enough they won't suffer from davis too badly.

Wizards. Well they dump westbrook with out goving out a pick. They get a couple of seconds the year they lose the pick for westbrook. And they get two guys who might help beal win. Drummond may be empty stats but he might fit well with beal.lowery while on a down slide fits better with beal than westbrook does. McCaw gets cut and nitillkina and the other guy can settle into bench rolls. If we start winning cool. If we don't then we trade beal in the summer and love on.

I don't think I'm too far off on value but maybe a bit idk.

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I have no idea what is going on in this trade. How hard is it to list what each team is sending and what they are receiving?

As far as I can tell, this trade is laughably homerific. We trade Westbrook, Bertans, Lopez and Ish and somehow get back Kyle Lowry and Drummond? And we still get some 2nd round picks in the deal? LOL

Well it is a littler hard, when I'm fresh off a night shift and I spend my morning unwinding on the trade checker before bed, I've spent and hour or two looking stats and money and stuff like that I know where these guys are, so it slips my mind that you guys might not, sorry about that .

I clearly explained my resonings here for each team and why.If you dispute those sure make some counter points. But the value I think is pretty fair considering what's going where and to who it's going to and why. Why is the trade terrible for any team involved?

It makes sense for the thunder due to them taking back a guy for assets, that they traded for an asset and then got more assets from the guy they traded westbrook for.

Makes sense for the NYK and raptors they fill needs and get better at pretty minimal costs.

Cavs save a metric boat load of money over the eventual buy out and cutting of drummand.

Wiz makes sense for them too. Make some counter points if you think the value is off explain why.

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[pcbothwel]

Would you trade Beal straight up for Jaylen Brown?

I think I would.

He is under contract for 3 more years, he is only 24 years old, and he improves every year. We lose Beal's offense but get Jaylen's defense, which is probably better for our developing roster - other guys would get to learn from Brown's example on defense. Meanwhile, we would be forced to diversify our offense more, which would help to develop Hachimura and Avdija. Overall, we'd probably be worse in the short term because Jaylen can't carry a team by himself as well as Beal can, which would land us a higher pick.

A year from now, we'd have a top 3 pick, Jaylen, Hachimura, Avdija, Bryant, more cap room, and no looming contract crisis. That team has more balance between offense and defense and it is no longer straddling the fence between win-now and plan for the future.

Trading Beal for a top 3 pick would be better, but this is better than trading Beal for, say, a Pelicans package of 4 future picks outside the lottery.

Huh... I wouldn't have thought of this, but it is unquestionably an advantageous move in rebuilding this team. We do lose something offensively, but not much, as Brown is averaging 31 points per 40 minutes at a TS% north of 60%.

Might be hard for them salary-wise....

Same here - the thought hadn't crossed my mind. But yeah - I'd do it. Brown is such a talented defender - and has that extra bulk - similar to Harden - that allows him to overpower players while also having top athleticism.

I was brought up last off season, but Brown wasnt near the player he is now.
I would do and ask for a Robert Williams for Lopez swap. Offer a Bonga for Langford swap if that helps them.

That said, they are the ones needing to call us. Boston is 13-13 and a game away from NYK and the Hornets passing them and falling to the 7th seed.
Ainge hit on Brown & Tatum, but he has been awful everywhere else:
1) Managing cap/stars: Kyrie & Hayward trade/lack there of was horrendous.
2) Other picks: Ojeleye & Grant Williams are barely rotation worthy, if at all. Nesmith, Langford, Edwards are not even NBA caliber at this point
3) Free Agents: Tristan Thompson and Jeff Teague were lauded as great vet signings while many on this board complained about Lopez and Neto for the same price. Lopez and Neto turned out to be solid signings while Thompson and Teague are ceiler dwellers.