Update: Shams says NY/Utah have began trade discussions for Donovan Mitchell part 3

[Clyde_Style]

Last thought on Randle. The man does not GAF about winning. He would pout during our victories if something went against his own personal interests during a game. Conversely, he’d often be all smiles and chirpy after a loss if he had big numbers. The guy is an effing loser.

If you want to bring in Mitchell, you better have a plan for getting Randle off this squad or chit is going to get ugly here. Randle is a time bomb. He is incapable of sharing the spotlight. When RJ took over the leadership role Randle went into a funk he never recovered from. He will loathe the attention Mitchell gets. Ignore at your own peril

I'd and10 this if i could.

Where's bearadonisdna to come in and call us crazy and stick up for Randle lol. Nah he's a good dude im just playing.

No hable Bear

[nyknicks09]

Leon needs to include Randle in the deal and keep Obi at all cost.

Randle, Grimes, IQ, McBride, and 5 future 1st round picks for DM

JB
DM
RJ
Obi
Mitch

We can run the floor like The Showtime Lakers with this lineup.

Gave u an and1 but we shouldn't have to include Grimes just make it 6 picks. Randle, Fournier, rose w.e makes it work within the parameters.

I would love to keep Grimes too but I don’t see Utah not asking for him to replace DM in the lineup. He’s still raw and there’s a lot of potential there but Obi is ready to start at PF with Randle in the trade. I rather keep Fournier off the bench for instance offense. He fits better with RJ and Obi in the same lineup.

[KnixtapeH20]

If Mitchell ends up on the heat for Herro, Robinson and 2 first round picks then Leon Rose should be fired.

Why would they take less picks and two players that help them win now when they want to tank.... Idgaf if they claim its not a fire sale everyone is saying they want to tank.... Every single one of they players is available. What tf is that then? A fire **** sale for the right cost.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

He did so by dumping washed up dudes who had a one year window and it was downhill from there. Knicks am with Mitchell aren’t handing over a top 3 pick to the Jazz anytime soon. We will make the playoffs that’s for sure. Won’t get deep once there most likely but we won’t be in the lotto.

Yeah I’m aware Mitch isn’t Curry just like Im aware Tatum and Brown aren’t Luka or Lebron or Giannis. Mitch is very much in that same tier as both Tatum, Brown, Booker and others.

Giving up that many picks is crazy of course but what is our direction anyway? We are going into year 3 and Obi is still stuck behind Randle. Our other first round picks are stuck in bench roles. Besides RJ we don’t have a promising player who has been given an opportunity to thrive. Is that going to change? With the way we have been spending in free agency? It wasn’t happening and it’s why I was against the signings. The path we took was wrong. There is no turning back at this point. We fuqd up so might as well go all in now. They aren’t going to correct their mistakes and if they do attempt to it will come at a price. We saw it with Kemba. So what now? Trade more picks to dump Randle, Fournier and Mitch and Brunson? Basically would need to give up all those picks involved in the DMitch deal. This is the path they chose so it is what it is now.

They want a 2029 pick, they know that we won't be giving them any lottery picks right away, they're going to go after picks further out with less protections. The Mitchell thing will be cool for a year or two, then it'll be hard to build a team, because he's on a rookie max extension which means we can't trade for another 1 of those, and we'll have to rely on capspace which hasn't always gone our way, half the big names are locked up already.

The asking price is just too high for him, what is the harm in just going into the season and revisiting the trade at the deadline? If he's traded okay, there will be another one, who's to say SGA doesn't want out after another season where he gets mothballed to preserve the tank. I feel like we should just go into the season with what we have, let Grimes or Cam fight it out for the 2 guard spot, you aren't liking what you're seeing from Grimes right now? You and I actually agree on most of the Knicks moves, in terms of not being high on IQ, hating the Randle move, liking Obi and disliking Mitch. We're really not that far off from having a fun team that may be just as competitive with a brighter future, Randle is really the biggest dark cloud hanging over the team. If he's not there, and Obi is starting things look differently.

So out off getting raped by Ainge and settle for getting raped by Presti?

If anything the time to jump on a deal is actually now because there isn’t much competition from rivals so Knicks can afford to play hardball. Later down the road who knows what happens and who is available and what the asking price is. Might be more or it might be a player that’s is older or worse or a player not interested in playing for us.

We know they are trying to bring someone in so if not today then tomorrow but they won’t have much more time with Dolan and then they will get desperate. That desperation move might be worse much worse than this one even.

This isn’t a fun team man. We’ve got some ok pieces but look at our direction. How awful were we this past year? What was our reward? Ivey? Chet? Banchero? No we got the 11th pick and had to trade out it was bad. It’s not a fun team, when they aren’t good for the playoffs and not bad for the top lotto talent and on top of that we are signing vets to take mins from guys like Obi and Grimes. That’s not going to change it’s going to be more of the same year after year. If so then fk it go get DMitch

The point is, there's always going to be a star up for trade, and Presti's trade just involve picks, he doesn't care as much about getting players, picks, real estate and first borns in return like Ainge does.


We were awful whenever Julius was on the floor -164, when Obadiah was in the games we were +165 and a fun team. I feel like if we go into next season Grimes or Cam gets a chance at winning the 2 (3 for Cam) guard spot, and who knows what happens, maybe one of them has a breakout year like Bane did, that would completely change our fortunes moving forward.

[knicksNOTslick]

The Heat may just be able to land DM and perhaps at a much lesser haul than what was "reported" in the jazz-knicks talks
but thats just how trading in sports works; you just dont simply outbid your competitor and it is because the seller presents different pricing to each prospective team. Its not fair but it is what it is.

Ainge is not gonna let Pat Riley bend him over like that. Ainge has made it known what he wants. He wants another Gobert type deal that looks lopsided af. The Heat don't have that rn.

[HarthorneWingo]

If he gets involved we’re giving up the house

Oh yeah.

Only thing Dolan is doing is securing his favorite player Melo once the trade goes down.

[3toheadmelo]

this is still randle's team and you'll like it

You’re clueless

[Clyde_Style]

this is still randle's team and you'll like it

You’re clueless

[HarthorneWingo]

They want a 2029 pick, they know that we won't be giving them any lottery picks right away, they're going to go after picks further out with less protections. The Mitchell thing will be cool for a year or two, then it'll be hard to build a team, because he's on a rookie max extension which means we can't trade for another 1 of those, and we'll have to rely on capspace which hasn't always gone our way, half the big names are locked up already.

The asking price is just too high for him, what is the harm in just going into the season and revisiting the trade at the deadline? If he's traded okay, there will be another one, who's to say SGA doesn't want out after another season where he gets mothballed to preserve the tank. I feel like we should just go into the season with what we have, let Grimes or Cam fight it out for the 2 guard spot, you aren't liking what you're seeing from Grimes right now? You and I actually agree on most of the Knicks moves, in terms of not being high on IQ, hating the Randle move, liking Obi and disliking Mitch. We're really not that far off from having a fun team that may be just as competitive with a brighter future, Randle is really the biggest dark cloud hanging over the team. If he's not there, and Obi is starting things look differently.

So out off getting raped by Ainge and settle for getting raped by Presti?

If anything the time to jump on a deal is actually now because there isn’t much competition from rivals so Knicks can afford to play hardball. Later down the road who knows what happens and who is available and what the asking price is. Might be more or it might be a player that’s is older or worse or a player not interested in playing for us.

We know they are trying to bring someone in so if not today then tomorrow but they won’t have much more time with Dolan and then they will get desperate. That desperation move might be worse much worse than this one even.

This isn’t a fun team man. We’ve got some ok pieces but look at our direction. How awful were we this past year? What was our reward? Ivey? Chet? Banchero? No we got the 11th pick and had to trade out it was bad. It’s not a fun team, when they aren’t good for the playoffs and not bad for the top lotto talent and on top of that we are signing vets to take mins from guys like Obi and Grimes. That’s not going to change it’s going to be more of the same year after year. If so then fk it go get DMitch

The point is, there's always going to be a star up for trade, and Presti's trade just involve picks, he doesn't care as much about getting players, picks, real estate and first borns in return like Ainge does.


We were awful whenever Julius was on the floor -164, when Obadiah was in the games we were +165 and a fun team. I feel like if we go into next season Grimes or Cam gets a chance at winning the 2 (3 for Cam) guard spot, and who knows what happens, maybe one of them has a breakout year like Bane did, that would completely change our fortunes moving forward.

You’re against making the trade?

[rammagen]

If Mitchell ends up on the heat for Herro, Robinson and 2 first round picks then Leon Rose should be fired.

No Ainge should be fired If this was the old Knicks front office i would be worried. Why should we over pay?
If Miami geta him for a lesser deal then I Would go to commish amd make a formal complaint. Because ainge was not acting in the best interest of his team amd fans. We are almost bidding against ourselves pick wise and youth wise. This is wear you put on your big boy pants and try to work in good faith and make a deal.

But if Danny thinks he is getting all the youth plus all the picks he is deranged.
Reddish grimes fournier plus picks 5 to 6 picks maybe a swap or two max

[NoDopeOnSundays]

So out off getting raped by Ainge and settle for getting raped by Presti?

If anything the time to jump on a deal is actually now because there isn’t much competition from rivals so Knicks can afford to play hardball. Later down the road who knows what happens and who is available and what the asking price is. Might be more or it might be a player that’s is older or worse or a player not interested in playing for us.

We know they are trying to bring someone in so if not today then tomorrow but they won’t have much more time with Dolan and then they will get desperate. That desperation move might be worse much worse than this one even.

This isn’t a fun team man. We’ve got some ok pieces but look at our direction. How awful were we this past year? What was our reward? Ivey? Chet? Banchero? No we got the 11th pick and had to trade out it was bad. It’s not a fun team, when they aren’t good for the playoffs and not bad for the top lotto talent and on top of that we are signing vets to take mins from guys like Obi and Grimes. That’s not going to change it’s going to be more of the same year after year. If so then fk it go get DMitch

The point is, there's always going to be a star up for trade, and Presti's trade just involve picks, he doesn't care as much about getting players, picks, real estate and first borns in return like Ainge does.


We were awful whenever Julius was on the floor -164, when Obadiah was in the games we were +165 and a fun team. I feel like if we go into next season Grimes or Cam gets a chance at winning the 2 (3 for Cam) guard spot, and who knows what happens, maybe one of them has a breakout year like Bane did, that would completely change our fortunes moving forward.

You’re against making the trade?

For 6 first rounders, Grimes, Obi, IQ and McBride? Ainge can walk into traffic asking for that.

[nykinoz]

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[KnixtapeH20]

This is Brunson's team and melo will hate it so we all like it.

[louisorr]

so Leon is gunna trade 20 acls for 2 acls. I don't like those odds.

[rammagen]

The Heat may just be able to land DM and perhaps at a much lesser haul than what was "reported" in the jazz-knicks talks
but thats just how trading in sports works; you just dont simply outbid your competitor and it is because the seller presents different pricing to each prospective team. Its not fair but it is what it is.

Ainge is not gonna let Pat Riley bend him over like that. Ainge has made it known what he wants. He wants another Gobert type deal that looks lopsided af. The Heat don't have that rn.

Plus to get those assets that team will be gutted

[HEZI]

They want a 2029 pick, they know that we won't be giving them any lottery picks right away, they're going to go after picks further out with less protections. The Mitchell thing will be cool for a year or two, then it'll be hard to build a team, because he's on a rookie max extension which means we can't trade for another 1 of those, and we'll have to rely on capspace which hasn't always gone our way, half the big names are locked up already.

The asking price is just too high for him, what is the harm in just going into the season and revisiting the trade at the deadline? If he's traded okay, there will be another one, who's to say SGA doesn't want out after another season where he gets mothballed to preserve the tank. I feel like we should just go into the season with what we have, let Grimes or Cam fight it out for the 2 guard spot, you aren't liking what you're seeing from Grimes right now? You and I actually agree on most of the Knicks moves, in terms of not being high on IQ, hating the Randle move, liking Obi and disliking Mitch. We're really not that far off from having a fun team that may be just as competitive with a brighter future, Randle is really the biggest dark cloud hanging over the team. If he's not there, and Obi is starting things look differently.

So out off getting raped by Ainge and settle for getting raped by Presti?

If anything the time to jump on a deal is actually now because there isn’t much competition from rivals so Knicks can afford to play hardball. Later down the road who knows what happens and who is available and what the asking price is. Might be more or it might be a player that’s is older or worse or a player not interested in playing for us.

We know they are trying to bring someone in so if not today then tomorrow but they won’t have much more time with Dolan and then they will get desperate. That desperation move might be worse much worse than this one even.

This isn’t a fun team man. We’ve got some ok pieces but look at our direction. How awful were we this past year? What was our reward? Ivey? Chet? Banchero? No we got the 11th pick and had to trade out it was bad. It’s not a fun team, when they aren’t good for the playoffs and not bad for the top lotto talent and on top of that we are signing vets to take mins from guys like Obi and Grimes. That’s not going to change it’s going to be more of the same year after year. If so then fk it go get DMitch

The point is, there's always going to be a star up for trade, and Presti's trade just involve picks, he doesn't care as much about getting players, picks, real estate and first borns in return like Ainge does.


We were awful whenever Julius was on the floor -164, when Obadiah was in the games we were +165 and a fun team. I feel like if we go into next season Grimes or Cam gets a chance at winning the 2 (3 for Cam) guard spot, and who knows what happens, maybe one of them has a breakout year like Bane did, that would completely change our fortunes moving forward.

Obi is better than Randle. Randle is paid big money and no other teams want him. He will be back and he will play a lot of minutes again. Cam stinks. Grimes had a chance to take Fournier spot but Fournier gets paid more and he’s a vet and we are going with the same rotation next year just add Brunson. Nothing exciting about it. Same team. No fortunes are being changed

[stuporman]

This is Brunson's team and melo will hate it so we all like it.

RJ is next up so when Brunson is on the wrong side of 30 RJ ascends to the throne....deal with it.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

So out off getting raped by Ainge and settle for getting raped by Presti?

If anything the time to jump on a deal is actually now because there isn’t much competition from rivals so Knicks can afford to play hardball. Later down the road who knows what happens and who is available and what the asking price is. Might be more or it might be a player that’s is older or worse or a player not interested in playing for us.

We know they are trying to bring someone in so if not today then tomorrow but they won’t have much more time with Dolan and then they will get desperate. That desperation move might be worse much worse than this one even.

This isn’t a fun team man. We’ve got some ok pieces but look at our direction. How awful were we this past year? What was our reward? Ivey? Chet? Banchero? No we got the 11th pick and had to trade out it was bad. It’s not a fun team, when they aren’t good for the playoffs and not bad for the top lotto talent and on top of that we are signing vets to take mins from guys like Obi and Grimes. That’s not going to change it’s going to be more of the same year after year. If so then fk it go get DMitch

The point is, there's always going to be a star up for trade, and Presti's trade just involve picks, he doesn't care as much about getting players, picks, real estate and first borns in return like Ainge does.


We were awful whenever Julius was on the floor -164, when Obadiah was in the games we were +165 and a fun team. I feel like if we go into next season Grimes or Cam gets a chance at winning the 2 (3 for Cam) guard spot, and who knows what happens, maybe one of them has a breakout year like Bane did, that would completely change our fortunes moving forward.

Obi is better than Randle. Randle is paid big money and no other teams want him. He will be back and he will play a lot of minutes again. Cam stinks. Grimes had a chance to take Fournier spot but Fournier gets paid more and he’s a vet and we are going with the same rotation next year just add Brunson. Nothing exciting about it. Same team. No fortunes are being changed

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But nah, you can't start Brunson and Fournier together, that will not work, somebody between Cam and Grimes would end up starting if we don't trade for Mitchell.

[knicksNOTslick]

The Lakers did that, won a title, now their team looks like it's on welfare and the 26 yr old all-star they traded a kings ransom for isn't as good as they thought. The Nets also traded a lot for Harden, didn't work out.


I'm just not a fan of these kind of trade the farm for 1 guy type deals.

You wouldn't trade the farm for a title? Are you a Knicks fan. We haven't won since the 70s.

The Anthony Davis trade worked out since they got a ring out of it. Who cares if you're on welfare afterwards. Totally worth it. Bad example.

They traded for Harden past his prime. He was, what? 31? And the dude doesn't take care of his body, coming in to camp out of shape. Completely unprofessional. The red flags were apparent.

Do we have LeBron James on our team right now? You do this type of trade if you already have that guy on your team, you don't do this to get someone who isn't a top 10 player.

We don't but for the right price, Donovan Mitchell is the move to make. If we could keep some of our young players and give up at most 2 unprotected picks along with the other 1st rounders we can give, that's the move to make.

We were never gonna tank at this current rate. Our picks are gonna be in the 8th to 20th overall, not bad enough for a top 3, not good enough to be a contender.

We don't have a LeBron yet but if we have a solid squad, we can keep improving slowly, enjoy the ride to 2nd round or whatever, better our image and attract FAs to join up eventually maybe 3 to 4 years down the line and be actual contenders.

Currently we have too many young players that need time to shine. Let's consolidate and see what they can do with playing time, for those that are left here.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You wouldn't trade the farm for a title? Are you a Knicks fan. We haven't won since the 70s.

The Anthony Davis trade worked out since they got a ring out of it. Who cares if you're on welfare afterwards. Totally worth it. Bad example.

They traded for Harden past his prime. He was, what? 31? And the dude doesn't take care of his body, coming in to camp out of shape. Completely unprofessional. The red flags were apparent.

Do we have LeBron James on our team right now? You do this type of trade if you already have that guy on your team, you don't do this to get someone who isn't a top 10 player.

We don't but for the right price, Donovan Mitchell is the move to make. If we could keep some of our young players and give up at most 2 unprotected picks along with the other 1st rounders we can give, that's the move to make.

They want 6 first rounders, Obi, McBride, IQ and Grimes.

That is far above the deal you're thinking of.