Fischer/Stein: Raps trying to see what RJ/IQ/Poeltl gets // Still trying for Anthony Davis

[WuTang_CMB]

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Toronto has gauged the trade market on several players, including guard Immanuel Quickley as noted above, swingman RJ Barrett, and center Jakob Poeltl, league sources told HoopsHype.

Quickley, who has bounced back from an injury-marred 2024-25 season, is owed a hefty $97.5 million combined for the following three seasons. Poeltl, who is beloved within the organization but has dealt with ongoing back issues this season, is owed a combined $103.58 million over the next four seasons. However, $81.28 million of that figure is guaranteed, while the rest is contingent on incentives for minutes played, etc. Barrett, who’s remained relatively consistent despite concerns about how he’d fit with Scottie Barnes and Brandon Ingram, is owed $29.62 million next season.


Simultaneously, Toronto has gauged the trade market with Ochai Agbaji in an attempt to duck the luxury tax, as previously reported by HoopsHype.

Thus, would Toronto be willing to part with multiple starters for Davis, who’s going to miss a minimum of six weeks while competing for a playoff spot in the East, while currently in fourth place and just a game out of second seed?

[mademan]

Looks like AD and Rich P want him out of there and forcing them to take a deal at the deadline.

Sure, but salary dumps exist. Doesnt explain why Dallas would willingly eat bad money, unless there was a decent amount of incentive. And you'd need a lot of incentive to take on 4.5 years of Poeltl or 3.5 of IQ, at numbers that are a lot more than they'd get on the open market. You said the Bucks offer is awful, but thats a lot better than Poeltl/RJ and a single 1st. Portis/Kuzma is just better salary filler

I don't think so. You also have to take into account Dallas doesn't even own their picks after this year. They arent going to tank for nothing.

They own it this year. Poeltl hasnt been able to get on the court and they already have Gafford (and Lively next year).

They may not want to tank, but theyre not eating Poeltl without a lot coming back. 4 more years after this is a lot. Salary relief and young talent is what theyre gonna want, and we cant offer either, and the only way to bridge the gap is with bunch of picks/swaps, that i dont wanna do. I think it's fanciful idea to think anybody would take Poeltl right now without a lot of incentive

[Kingsway_fan]

Raps management so silent on Yak's return... thought he was ready for some g league action. .. nothing.

[WuTang_CMB]

Sure, but salary dumps exist. Doesnt explain why Dallas would willingly eat bad money, unless there was a decent amount of incentive. And you'd need a lot of incentive to take on 4.5 years of Poeltl or 3.5 of IQ, at numbers that are a lot more than they'd get on the open market. You said the Bucks offer is awful, but thats a lot better than Poeltl/RJ and a single 1st. Portis/Kuzma is just better salary filler

I don't think so. You also have to take into account Dallas doesn't even own their picks after this year. They arent going to tank for nothing.

They own it this year. Poeltl hasnt been able to get on the court and they already have Gafford (and Lively next year).

They may not want to tank, but theyre not eating Poeltl without a lot coming back. 4 more years after this is a lot. Salary relief and young talent is what theyre gonna want, and we cant offer either, and the only way to bridge the gap is with bunch of picks/swaps, that i dont wanna do. I think it's fanciful idea to think anybody would take Poeltl right now without a lot of incentive

I said after this year. If it's the Bucks offer and ours, they likely arent taking salary dump to tank. They dont own their picks. At least Poeltl/RJ can get be adequate. Again, it's going to come down to the pressure if they want to unload him now or not. My guess is they wait until the off-season anyways since what's being offered to them isn't close to what they should be receiving - even if Davis is injury prone.

[mademan]

I don't think so. You also have to take into account Dallas doesn't even own their picks after this year. They arent going to tank for nothing.

They own it this year. Poeltl hasnt been able to get on the court and they already have Gafford (and Lively next year).

They may not want to tank, but theyre not eating Poeltl without a lot coming back. 4 more years after this is a lot. Salary relief and young talent is what theyre gonna want, and we cant offer either, and the only way to bridge the gap is with bunch of picks/swaps, that i dont wanna do. I think it's fanciful idea to think anybody would take Poeltl right now without a lot of incentive

I said after this year. If it's the Bucks offer and ours, they likely arent taking salary dump to tank. They dont own their picks. At least Poeltl/RJ can get be adequate. Again, it's going to come down to the pressure if they want to unload him now or not. My guess is they wait until the off-season anyways since what's being offered to them isn't close to what they should be receiving - even if Davis is injury prone.

Probably. Salary relief is clearly more valuable than Poeltl though, and they need to rebuild around Flagg. Putting Poeltl on the books hurts, regardless of whether or not they have their pick. Its a sunk cost and sacrificing cap space in 2027 offseason because you want to win (how does Poeltl help here? RJ might help some, but i dont get the fit) would be a dumb idea, but it is the Mavs FO.

If I can get Rollins and a 1st, i take that offer in a hearbeat.

[Clutch0z24]

Yeah Davis is prolly our 1st Option and Morant is our 2nd option....Is it even possible we try to get both?

[MEDIC]

Sure, but salary dumps exist. Doesnt explain why Dallas would willingly eat bad money, unless there was a decent amount of incentive. And you'd need a lot of incentive to take on 4.5 years of Poeltl or 3.5 of IQ, at numbers that are a lot more than they'd get on the open market. You said the Bucks offer is awful, but thats a lot better than Poeltl/RJ and a single 1st. Portis/Kuzma is just better salary filler

I don't think so. You also have to take into account Dallas doesn't even own their picks after this year. They arent going to tank for nothing.

They own it this year. Poeltl hasnt been able to get on the court and they already have Gafford (and Lively next year).

They may not want to tank, but theyre not eating Poeltl without a lot coming back. 4 more years after this is a lot. Salary relief and young talent is what theyre gonna want, and we cant offer either, and the only way to bridge the gap is with bunch of picks/swaps, that i dont wanna do. I think it's fanciful idea to think anybody would take Poeltl right now without a lot of incentive

I could see them taking on the Yak contract for 1sts. Sit him for the season & hope he gets healthy again.

Adding Quick & RJ would impact their ability to get a high pick this season.......which should be crazy important for them this season.

I guess they could just sit RJ & Quick or try to trade RJ before the deadline.

I think there would be a lot going on in the background if this deal was to go through.

[WuTang_CMB]

They own it this year. Poeltl hasnt been able to get on the court and they already have Gafford (and Lively next year).

They may not want to tank, but theyre not eating Poeltl without a lot coming back. 4 more years after this is a lot. Salary relief and young talent is what theyre gonna want, and we cant offer either, and the only way to bridge the gap is with bunch of picks/swaps, that i dont wanna do. I think it's fanciful idea to think anybody would take Poeltl right now without a lot of incentive

I said after this year. If it's the Bucks offer and ours, they likely arent taking salary dump to tank. They dont own their picks. At least Poeltl/RJ can get be adequate. Again, it's going to come down to the pressure if they want to unload him now or not. My guess is they wait until the off-season anyways since what's being offered to them isn't close to what they should be receiving - even if Davis is injury prone.

Probably. Salary relief is clearly more valuable than Poeltl though, and they need to rebuild around Flagg. Putting Poeltl on the books hurts, regardless of whether or not they have their pick. Its a sunk cost and sacrificing cap space in 2027 offseason because you want to win (how does Poeltl help here? RJ might help some, but i dont get the fit) would be a dumb idea, but it is the Mavs FO.

If I can get Rollins and a 1st, i take that offer in a hearbeat.

Depends what they want. That Bucks offer is horrid for AD. He's not going there. If they want to stay competitive and these are the only deals out there and forced to choose, I'd def go Poeltl/RJ with draft compensation.

[LoveMyRaps]

Trading RJ + IQ for AD is sheer stupidity.

[Clutch0z24]

Imagine this ends up happening lol Raps fans would lose their minds in the bad and good way...

Morant/Shead/Martin
Russell/Walter/Lawson
Ingram/Battle
Barnes/CMB
Davis/Landale

We would prolly have to go shopping on the by out market vet guards and a vet SF and maybe an insurance big for Davis...

That team is injury prone to hell but has alot of upside if all things clicked.

[Airmiess]

Trading RJ + IQ for AD is sheer stupidity.

If they trade RJ for AD id take a sabbatical from the team

AD is a Porsche with 400k miles

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After three straight missed postseasons, and with new governor Edward Rogers ready to take full control of the franchise later this year, there is a sense of urgency in Toronto. The Raptors have been on the phones in recent weeks gauging the trade value of some of their players, including RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley, numerous sources told ESPN.

ESPN's Shams Charania has reported Toronto's interest in the Mavericks' Anthony Davis and the Grizzlies' Ja Morant, and although other teams could have reservations about taking on long-term money, the Raptors would be swapping out their own long-term contracts to take on those players, removing an impediment to a deal.

Toronto owns all its first- and second-round picks for the next seven years. Two factors rival executives note: A franchise that has been an infrequent taxpayer is about $1 million into the tax, and having all that long-term money to move could dissuade potential trade partners.

"Toronto will have to incentivize real offers with draft capital," one East executive said. "They're going to have to work to avoid the second apron next year with their current roster."

[Indeed]

IQ and Jak contracts make me want to yak

No one wants Quickley's contract.
It seems Barrett/Poeltl/Agbaji for Davis/Exum, I wonder if we need to include picks.
After all, we are still over the tax with no good guards.

ofc picks would need to be included, and i'd guess multiple 1sts. That package going out is negative. RJ may be needed for our team, but he hasnt been better this year than last when the Pel's decided they wanted Bruce Brown's expiring over him. Nothing has changed in the valuation over RJ league-wide, and Poeltl is a straight up bad contract. Im guessing there would be 2 1sts involved in this, in which case i wouldnt do it. Investing in AD is a dumb idea, and the Mavs can just dump him over taking back bad money

You can't claim that teams want an expiring over a non-expiring means that the player is not wanted.
Meanwhile, we also don't know if we are the one who sells Bruce Brown over Barrett, as we can see his impact this year is exactly what we need.

Meanwhile, I believe we don't have to give up picks with the current value of Davis.

[LoveMyRaps]

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After three straight missed postseasons, and with new governor Edward Rogers ready to take full control of the franchise later this year, there is a sense of urgency in Toronto. The Raptors have been on the phones in recent weeks gauging the trade value of some of their players, including RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley, numerous sources told ESPN.

ESPN's Shams Charania has reported Toronto's interest in the Mavericks' Anthony Davis and the Grizzlies' Ja Morant, and although other teams could have reservations about taking on long-term money, the Raptors would be swapping out their own long-term contracts to take on those players, removing an impediment to a deal.

Toronto owns all its first- and second-round picks for the next seven years. Two factors rival executives note: A franchise that has been an infrequent taxpayer is about $1 million into the tax, and having all that long-term money to move could dissuade potential trade partners.

"Toronto will have to incentivize real offers with draft capital," one East executive said. "They're going to have to work to avoid the second apron next year with their current roster."

Yeah, always knew Bobby wasn't a fan of RJ.

trading RJ and IQ but keeping Poeltl

[Indeed]

Imagine this ends up happening lol Raps fans would lose their minds in the bad and good way...

Morant/Shead/Martin
Russell/Walter/Lawson
Ingram/Battle
Barnes/CMB
Davis/Landale

We would prolly have to go shopping on the by out market vet guards and a vet SF and maybe an insurance big for Davis...

That team is injury prone to hell but has alot of upside if all things clicked.

5m over the tax?
Don't think we can trade consecutive picks, and unsure we got enough shooting with Morant and Russell and Barnes.
After all, I think we will only have 3 core players, instead 4 (Davis, Barnes, Ingram, Morant).

[Clutch0z24]

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After three straight missed postseasons, and with new governor Edward Rogers ready to take full control of the franchise later this year, there is a sense of urgency in Toronto. The Raptors have been on the phones in recent weeks gauging the trade value of some of their players, including RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley, numerous sources told ESPN.

ESPN's Shams Charania has reported Toronto's interest in the Mavericks' Anthony Davis and the Grizzlies' Ja Morant, and although other teams could have reservations about taking on long-term money, the Raptors would be swapping out their own long-term contracts to take on those players, removing an impediment to a deal.

Toronto owns all its first- and second-round picks for the next seven years. Two factors rival executives note: A franchise that has been an infrequent taxpayer is about $1 million into the tax, and having all that long-term money to move could dissuade potential trade partners.

"Toronto will have to incentivize real offers with draft capital," one East executive said. "They're going to have to work to avoid the second apron next year with their current roster."

Yeah, always knew Bobby wasn't a fan of RJ.

trading RJ and IQ but keeping Poeltl

If we are trading RJ/IQ i hope Yak gets cleared and instead of IQ going to the Mavs its Yak and we can use IQ to go after Morant....If we are going full on compete mode and trading RJ for Davis....You might as well go scortched earth and get both Morant/Davis imo....

But yeah i don't think Yak would even clear a physcial right now tbh.

[Clutch0z24]

Imagine this ends up happening lol Raps fans would lose their minds in the bad and good way...

Morant/Shead/Martin
Russell/Walter/Lawson
Ingram/Battle
Barnes/CMB
Davis/Landale

We would prolly have to go shopping on the by out market vet guards and a vet SF and maybe an insurance big for Davis...

That team is injury prone to hell but has alot of upside if all things clicked.

5m over the tax?
Don't think we can trade consecutive picks, and unsure we got enough shooting with Morant and Russell and Barnes.
After all, I think we will only have 3 core players, instead 4 (Davis, Barnes, Ingram, Morant).

Yeah obviously details would need to be changed but just was checking if it were possible and it definitly is possible we could trade for both guys. Obviously a huge risk but if Bobby is going to go after Davis who is on the tale end of his career and very injury prone....You might as well put talent around him so we have legit championship ceiling....Can't half ass it if you are trading for Davis you need another move to follow.

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Yeah, always knew Bobby wasn't a fan of RJ.

trading RJ and IQ but keeping Poeltl

If we are trading RJ/IQ i hope Yak gets cleared and instead of IQ going to the Mavs its Yak and we can use IQ to go after Morant....If we are going full on compete mode and trading RJ for Davis....You might as well go scortched earth and get both Morant/Davis imo....

But yeah i don't think Yak would even clear a physcial right now tbh.

relax

[Clutch0z24]

Yeah, always knew Bobby wasn't a fan of RJ.

trading RJ and IQ but keeping Poeltl

If we are trading RJ/IQ i hope Yak gets cleared and instead of IQ going to the Mavs its Yak and we can use IQ to go after Morant....If we are going full on compete mode and trading RJ for Davis....You might as well go scortched earth and get both Morant/Davis imo....

But yeah i don't think Yak would even clear a physcial right now tbh.

relax

You don't trade for Davis who is on the tale end of his career without putting the most talent around him.....We would have no Starting PG after trading IQ.....So you have to fill the holes and Morant is prolly the best PG on the market right now...Unless you get the corpse of CP3 off free agency...

Trading for Davis puts you in the trying to compete for the title hunt right now...Can't wait a year or two to fill holes...

[Son Goku 25]

RJ seems like a Powell situation for me where we regret it later and miss him succeeding elsewhere. He's one of the new raptors that you can see loves to play as a raptor and be here, he's also a hometown kid. Tough situation for sure.