Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[whatisacenter]

With a no trade clause?

yeah, it's not everything GS wants but I don't think they are going to get everything they want and it's better than a $7.9M chip. JK could veto a trade but I doubt he would and it's still a 2 yr deal that is only guaranteed for 1 yr.

I don't see it. It's too much leverage if the only reason for re-signing him is for trade purposes. It allows the receiving team to lowball the Warriors because they know Kuminga has the final say. The organization has spent the last couple of years gauging his value around the league. They know what he's worth to other teams and the offers on the table reflect that. He's got a small bit of leverage just because the Warriors would like to have a tradable contract on the books but it's not going to take much for him to overplay that hand.

I agree that it diminishes the value as a trade chip but I was thinking of a middle ground for both side while keeping it as a potential expiring contract.

I am a fan in a sea of haters!

I can see why fans wouldn't like what Turner is doing but I don't see any downside to it. Either the Warriors improve on their current offers or he is likely to sign the QO which sucks for both sides. And the fans who are talking themselves into thinking JK on the QO is a good the for GS are crazy, IMO.

I do admire your dedication and willingness to buck the trend here. I just don't get what the upside of the interviews has been for Turner/JK as the reaction has been vastly negative from a fan perspective and he didn't say anything to improve their position. I listened to like 3 of the interviews while doing work spreadsheets

Honestly I think him signing the QO is now a bluff (I think he considered it when it was a 1+1 offer), one that has been played well so far. There is only a little bit of potential downside to waiting (if he gets traded, he has to wait until later in the season, fans are irked) but none of it is likely financial, and of course pushing the Warriors the last 2 weeks has potential financial upside.

Turner says in the interview that the QO is not ideal for either side, which is no big news. JK wants to maximize the contract he signs, the Warriors want to get him signed soon and minimize the cost. Ultimately I think a multi-year deal gets done as both sides need it done, it's just a matter of who caves.

I hear what you're saying but I don't feel like he can lose much more fan support than he already has. Me and the other guy are sticking with him

Soon enough we will find out how it all shakes out.

[DB23]

I guess the amusing part is that the contract offers have nothing to do with his play on the court which has been beyond meh

We need the salary slot and flexibility to trade for a bigger piece, he wants to leverage that fact for more money.

Don’t blame him but hope we call his bluff and if he is dumb enough to sign the qo then that’s on him. He doesn’t deserve 20+ as it is and will likely be a mle guy at best next year.

As many have noted, the mistake was not trading him last year.

[Larry Ellison]

I don't blame JK for trying to negotiate the best deal. He is not as good of a basketball player as he thinks he is. But I can forgive these things. The comments from Aaron Turner about how JK will only "buy in" if he gets the guaranteed 3rd year with PO ... are unforgivable. JK lost my support as a fan. At first, I thought it was a ploy by the agent, but I now believe Aaron Turner is soft pedaling it and JK attitude is even worse behind the scenes. I am reading between the lines of Turner's comments about JK needing to reset his expectations both for salary and playing time. JK has never bought in over 4 years. Why would he do it now even with a PO for the 3rd year? Turner is promising something he can't deliver.

I'm going to be very upset if Warriors give in to these tactics. I would take a step back as a fan generally. If the current offers are not good enough, let him take the QO.

[ChuckDurn]

I just got back in the country after 3 weeks in Europe, have tried following things in the news as well as possible, but haven’t fully followed the RealGM board.

Seeing the comments from Turner on his podcast tour, he’s sending a clear message - Kuminga doesn’t want to be with the Warriors anymore. “He’ll buy in to helping the Warriors if we get enough money”, and their complete aversion to any kind of a team option (even if the contract is arguably an overpay) make that obvious.

My guess is 1 of the following 3 things happen:
- He signs the current offer of the 2+1 / $75M (with the team option), and is traded before the deadline
- He signs a lower offer of 2+1 at $65-$68M, with a player option, and is traded before the deadline
- The Warriors re-engage another team (probably Sacramento) and get a better S&T offer than what we’ve seen so far, and he’s traded now.

I don’t see any way that he’ll be with the Warriors after the deadline, and as much as we’re hearing that the Warriors’ vets and Kerr are bought into him coming back, it’s unmistakable to me that he does not want to be with the Warriors anymore, and that’s going to show itself.

[DevinVassell]

We all know it's not just about Kuminga... there are other people's lives being effected.

I'm sure Melton, Seth, Horford etc would like to be able move to the bay, get a house, set up their kids in school and so on. I'm sure Steph/Jimmy/Dray would like to be training with these guys, integrating them into the system, getting some familiarity. I bet they really appreciate this total stuff around while pushing for a last championship.

Kuminga knows this and instead of thinking... Gee I should really hurry up a little for the benefit of my teammates, he is doing the exact opposite and using this uncertainty for his own betterment and greed.

TEAMmate my arse.

[Twinkie defense]

While McCollum is entering his age-34 season and not the player he once was, he still arguably projects as a more valuable player than Poole. My BORD$ formula rated him as a $14.3 million player for the coming season, compared to an $8.4 million valuation for Poole. New Orleans went from about $20 million underwater on McCollum’s deal to roughly $40 million under with Poole. Yikes.

More jarringly, that valuation for Poole is miles and miles short of the $34 million he’s owed in the extra contract year. That money essentially ties up the Pelicans’ cap; New Orleans has 14 contracts for the 2026-27 season and is just $3.8 million from a projected tax line ownership will never cross.

Even with an expiring deal in 2026-27, Poole might prove challenging to trade for a different reason: His contract contains $3.75 million in unlikely incentives, the sort that teams have bent over backwards to avoid in the apron era because the dollars count against the apron even if the incentives never hit. Nobody wants those on their books anymore.

Jordan Poole has a toxic contract. Warriors will do everything to prevent signing Kuminga to a toxic contract that hamstrings them as they are trying to scrape to find Steph Curry more help in his twilight years.

[Twinkie defense]

Bob Myers gave out a terrible contract to Jordan Poole. Cost the Warriors a first round pick to dump that contract.

[whatisacenter]

If JK is as bad as you make him out to be then the Warriors FO should have pulled the QO while they still could and used their cap space differently.

Cap space? The cap is set at $154.6 million, and Curry/Butler/Draymond make $140 Mil - cap space is not in the conversation. Which is why Warriors need salaries they can use for trades.

I was under the impression that they could have used the full NTMLE (14.1M) if they had rescinded JK's QO and then filled out the roster with vet min contracts.

[xdrta+]

If JK is as bad as you make him out to be then the Warriors FO should have pulled the QO while they still could and used their cap space differently.

Cap space? The cap is set at $154.6 million, and Curry/Butler/Draymond make $140 Mil - cap space is not in the conversation. Which is why Warriors need salaries they can use for trades.

I was under the impression that they could have used the full NTMLE (14.1M) if they had rescinded JK's QO and then filled out the roster with vet min contracts.

They could have. It would have hard-capped them at the 1st apron, ~196M, but they had room.

[Twinkie defense]

Yeah that doesn’t sound too good!

[whatisacenter]

Yeah that doesn’t sound too good!

You would rather have JK on the QO than a player on the MLE?

[Crazy-Canuck]

We all know it's not just about Kuminga... there are other people's lives being effected.

I'm sure Melton, Seth, Horford etc would like to be able move to the bay, get a house, set up their kids in school and so on. I'm sure Steph/Jimmy/Dray would like to be training with these guys, integrating them into the system, getting some familiarity. I bet they really appreciate this total stuff around while pushing for a last championship.

Kuminga knows this and instead of thinking... Gee I should really hurry up a little for the benefit of my teammates, he is doing the exact opposite and using this uncertainty for his own betterment and greed.

TEAMmate my arse.

Your mistake is thinking that kuminga and Turner care.

They don't. I don't agree with it, but it's the path they've taken.

[whatisacenter]

We all know it's not just about Kuminga... there are other people's lives being effected.

I'm sure Melton, Seth, Horford etc would like to be able move to the bay, get a house, set up their kids in school and so on. I'm sure Steph/Jimmy/Dray would like to be training with these guys, integrating them into the system, getting some familiarity. I bet they really appreciate this total stuff around while pushing for a last championship.

Kuminga knows this and instead of thinking... Gee I should really hurry up a little for the benefit of my teammates, he is doing the exact opposite and using this uncertainty for his own betterment and greed.

TEAMmate my arse.

Your mistake is thinking that kuminga and Turner care.

They don't. I don't agree with it, but it's the path they've taken.

I mean, from the beginning JK’s camp came out and said they wanted to be on another team and GS has only offered contracts that would be most beneficial for them in a trade.

They’re breaking up…it’s only a matter of when.

[azwfan]

We all know it's not just about Kuminga... there are other people's lives being effected.

I'm sure Melton, Seth, Horford etc would like to be able move to the bay, get a house, set up their kids in school and so on. I'm sure Steph/Jimmy/Dray would like to be training with these guys, integrating them into the system, getting some familiarity. I bet they really appreciate this total stuff around while pushing for a last championship.

Kuminga knows this and instead of thinking... Gee I should really hurry up a little for the benefit of my teammates, he is doing the exact opposite and using this uncertainty for his own betterment and greed.

TEAMmate my arse.

Your mistake is thinking that kuminga and Turner care.

They don't. I don't agree with it, but it's the path they've taken.

Its the Warriors that dont care about those guys. They are capable of signing any or all of those guys this entire time. The Warriors dont need JK resolved to sign them. But they do risk losing JK for nothing if they move forward with those guys prior to resolving JK. So the Warriors have chosen (with those fa’s approval) that they want Jk resolved before doing anything else. Whether this is a big deal to anyone be keyboard warriors is unknown, but its entirely on the Warriors.

[Twinkie defense]

Yeah that doesn’t sound too good!

You would rather have JK on the QO than a player on the MLE?

Can sign Kuminga to a non-QO contract and still sign Horford to the Taxpayer MLE, plus several vet minimum players. Horford plus the ability to trade a ~$20 mil contract > MLE and Kumimga on the QO.

[whatisacenter]

Yeah that doesn’t sound too good!

You would rather have JK on the QO than a player on the MLE?

Can sign Kuminga to a non-QO contract and still sign Horford to the Taxpayer MLE, plus several vet minimum players. Horford plus the ability to trade a ~$20 mil contract > MLE and Kumimga on the QO.

Yes, that is obvious.

I am saying that rescinding the QO would be better than if JK ends up signing the QO.

[Larry Ellison]

I just got back in the country after 3 weeks in Europe, have tried following things in the news as well as possible, but haven’t fully followed the RealGM board.

Seeing the comments from Turner on his podcast tour, he’s sending a clear message - Kuminga doesn’t want to be with the Warriors anymore. “He’ll buy in to helping the Warriors if we get enough money”, and their complete aversion to any kind of a team option (even if the contract is arguably an overpay) make that obvious.

My guess is 1 of the following 3 things happen:
- He signs the current offer of the 2+1 / $75M (with the team option), and is traded before the deadline
- He signs a lower offer of 2+1 at $65-$68M, with a player option, and is traded before the deadline
- The Warriors re-engage another team (probably Sacramento) and get a better S&T offer than what we’ve seen so far, and he’s traded now.

I don’t see any way that he’ll be with the Warriors after the deadline, and as much as we’re hearing that the Warriors’ vets and Kerr are bought into him coming back, it’s unmistakable to me that he does not want to be with the Warriors anymore, and that’s going to show itself.

What happens in the meantime? A bunch of DNP-CD? I don't see Kerr wanting to play JK after this multi-month tantrum. Kerr will say the right things but JK still has to earn it. Is he going to play the right way? That seems very doubtful at this point.

[Twinkie defense]

You would rather have JK on the QO than a player on the MLE?

Can sign Kuminga to a non-QO contract and still sign Horford to the Taxpayer MLE, plus several vet minimum players. Horford plus the ability to trade a ~$20 mil contract > MLE and Kumimga on the QO.

Yes, that is obvious.

I am saying that rescinding the QO would be better than if JK ends up signing the QO.

He's not gonna sign the QO. Book it!

[DevinVassell]

We all know it's not just about Kuminga... there are other people's lives being effected.

I'm sure Melton, Seth, Horford etc would like to be able move to the bay, get a house, set up their kids in school and so on. I'm sure Steph/Jimmy/Dray would like to be training with these guys, integrating them into the system, getting some familiarity. I bet they really appreciate this total stuff around while pushing for a last championship.

Kuminga knows this and instead of thinking... Gee I should really hurry up a little for the benefit of my teammates, he is doing the exact opposite and using this uncertainty for his own betterment and greed.

TEAMmate my arse.

Your mistake is thinking that kuminga and Turner care.

They don't. I don't agree with it, but it's the path they've taken.

Your mistake is mistaking that I'm mistaken. (they should make a word for that)

I know they don't care.

"he is doing the exact opposite and using this uncertainty for his own betterment and greed"

[Crazy-Canuck]

Seth, melton, gp2, and horford were all but confirmed today.

Team is old but looks really solid, better if melton can stay healthy. Could use a wing who can guard 1-4, badly.

Talk to the Suns (Brooks), Grizzlies (Kcp), and Heat (Wiggins) to see if there's any interest in kuminga. If yes, at what number is palatable. Then offer that deal to kuminga. Im pretty sure he'd be open to getting traded to the Suns or Heat. He might not have a starting spot in Memphis unless they think he's a 2/3.

Steph, kcp, jimmy, dray, horford.
Steph, brooks, jimmy, dray, horford.
Steph, wiggins, jimmy, dray, horford.

The combinations are endless. Small ball would be legit.

Plus we'd have a great bench with spot starters in moody, heild, podz, and post.

2 way team. And top 4 seed in the west (if relatively healthy).