'14 Draft Thread pt 2: vote again? VOTE AGAIN.

Ayt · Post #331 » by **Ayt** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:31 am

I've been watching a bit of the AZ/UCLA game. I used to like Walton, but the guy has become unbearable.

breakchains · Post #332 » by **breakchains** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:43 am

So apparently Chad Ford thinks Randle is the #2 player on our board. :vomit:

breakchains · Post #333 » by **breakchains** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:46 am

I'd really like to see LaVine made more of a vocal point of the offense. You can see the explosive energy in his movements. Clearly confident in his shot too, as he has the hair trigger on some of these that have ended up pretty off.

chonestown · Post #334 » by **chonestown** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:47 am

steger_3434 wrote:
tski1972 wrote:If we get hosed with the 4th pick and one of Parker, Wiggins or Embiid stay in school what direction do the Bucks go?
. West

This is a tremendous reply and you are all dolts for not recognizing this.

Post #335 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:49 am

breakchains wrote:I'd really like to see LaVine made more of a vocal point of the offense. You can see the explosive energy in his movements. Clearly confident in his shot too, as he has the hair trigger on some of these that have ended up pretty off.

I think Ford's got him too high on his board. Borderline 1st rounder at this point.

VooDoo7 · Post #336 » by **VooDoo7** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:50 am

Ayt wrote:I've been watching a bit of the AZ/UCLA game. I used to like Walton, but the guy has become unbearable.

Johnny Mac Syndrome.

VooDoo7 · Post #337 » by **VooDoo7** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:00 am

breakchains wrote:I'd really like to see LaVine made more of a vocal point of the offense. You can see the explosive energy in his movements. Clearly confident in his shot too, as he has the hair trigger on some of these that have ended up pretty off.

I love the LaVine kid. If he declares, and we could somehow get back into the top 10 and get LaVine to go along with Parker/Embiid/Exum. :eek2:

Hiver45 · Post #338 » by **Hiver45** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:02 am

Not sure sure if it's relevant, but Barnes and where Wiggins stats are now are almost identical their freshman years. Barnes got hot the end of his freshman year to lift his stats to the levels Wiggins is currently at. I think Wiggins should go #1, but Embid reminds me of Akeem and Hakeem, which has to get one excited.

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TroyD92 · Post #339 » by **TroyD92** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:03 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
cinematographer wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:I personally don't think Parker is as good as Melo but if you think we have great odds of getting a guy better then Melo and are scoffing at getting a guy like Melo you're nuts.

How good do you think Melo is? Because a lot of advanced metrics would disagree and disagree wholeheartedly with the notion he's even top-30.

I don't like his style of play but he's a top 15 player in the league.

What xRAPM says really means little to me in this case (honestly means pretty little to me in any case), Melo is an extremely good player. xRAPM, PER, WS etc honestly mean very little to me. The only way those really can work IMO are the players being compared having similar playstyles, similar usage and similar teams.

Melo in NY is probably top 15-20, but Melo in Denver was easily a top 5 player.

Hiver45 · Post #340 » by **Hiver45** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:07 am

TroyD92 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:
cinematographer wrote:How good do you think Melo is? Because a lot of advanced metrics would disagree and disagree wholeheartedly with the notion he's even top-30.

I don't like his style of play but he's a top 15 player in the league.

What xRAPM says really means little to me in this case (honestly means pretty little to me in any case), Melo is an extremely good player. xRAPM, PER, WS etc honestly mean very little to me. The only way those really can work IMO are the players being compared having similar playstyles, similar usage and similar teams.

Melo in NY is probably top 15-20, but Melo in Denver was easily a top 5 player.

Couldn't agree more

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Post #341 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:11 am

Last year, in New York, as a power forward, was Melo's best year.

Hiver45 · Post #342 » by **Hiver45** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:18 am

ReasonablySober wrote:Last year, in New York, as a power forward, was Melo's best year.

I think melo's best year was when they got bill ups in Denver. Other then that he's been tagged teamed with JR smith and and aging Iverson, never really had a number 2 that would accept a role

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Hiver45 · Post #343 » by **Hiver45** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:18 am

Hiver45 wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Last year, in New York, as a power forward, was Melo's best year.
I think melo's best year was when they got bill ups in Denver. Other then that he's been tagged teamed with JR smith and and aging Iverson, never really had a number 2 that would accept a role

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Sorry, Billups.

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breakchains · Post #344 » by **breakchains** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:20 am

It will be interesting to see if LaVine comes out. Unless he gets more time/touches, going to be a major projection, but so is Exum.

Hiver45 · Post #345 » by **Hiver45** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:25 am

Since where in the state what do people think about Dekker?

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Bucks4Milwaukee · Post #346 » by **Bucks4Milwaukee** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:30 am

Not huge into college so don't shoot me in the head for simple comparisons... I see Parker being a Melo type, would hate that pick unless we end up with the third pick. See embiid as a Dwight Howard type player, would be completely content with the pick, but we still need scoring and a two gaurd and would hope we so a deal to get one in the draft or young somehow. Wiggins with the potential to be a Kobe type player, and I think would be the smartest move unless there is a 2 with scoring ability in the draft that we could get somewhere in the late lottery... My 2 cents, I just don't really understand all the Parker love, if he is a Melo type baller, he will bring us nothing but dissapointment.

breakchains · Post #347 » by **breakchains** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:34 am

Bucks4Milwaukee wrote:Not huge into college so don't shoot me in the head for simple comparisons... I see Parker being a Melo type, would hate that pick unless we end up with the third pick. See embiid as a Dwight Howard type player, would be completely content with the pick, but we still need scoring and a two gaurd and would hope we so a deal to get one in the draft or young somehow. Wiggins with the potential to be a Kobe type player, and I think would be the smartest move unless there is a 2 with scoring ability in the draft that we could get somewhere in the late lottery... My 2 cents, I just don't really understand all the Parker love, if he is a Melo type baller, he will bring us nothing but dissapointment.

You're making the major mistake of first comparing these people to NBA players and then comparing those NBA players to determine your analysis. You have to judge these prospects for who they are, on the court. Throw away the comparisons.

Hiver45 · Post #348 » by **Hiver45** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:43 am

breakchains wrote:
Bucks4Milwaukee wrote:Not huge into college so don't shoot me in the head for simple comparisons... I see Parker being a Melo type, would hate that pick unless we end up with the third pick. See embiid as a Dwight Howard type player, would be completely content with the pick, but we still need scoring and a two gaurd and would hope we so a deal to get one in the draft or young somehow. Wiggins with the potential to be a Kobe type player, and I think would be the smartest move unless there is a 2 with scoring ability in the draft that we could get somewhere in the late lottery... My 2 cents, I just don't really understand all the Parker love, if he is a Melo type baller, he will bring us nothing but dissapointment.

You're making the major mistake of first comparing these people to NBA players and then comparing those NBA players to determine your analysis. You have to judge these prospects for who they are, on the court. Throw away the comparisons.

Coach K made Austin Rivers into a lead player his freshman year as well. Now I'm not saying Rivers is in the same stratosphere as Parker. But I just see a solid player in him, a Big Dog type

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MiltownHawkeye · Post #349 » by **MiltownHawkeye** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:52 am

Bucks4Milwaukee wrote:My 2 cents, I just don't really understand all the Parker love, if he is a Melo type baller, he will bring us nothing but dissapointment.

The way you talk you'd think Carmelo Anthony was Josh Smith.

Hiver45 · Post #350 » by **Hiver45** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:54 am

Parker fairly close to the big dog

http://youtu.be/mJ_sIJnn86Y

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