Shaun Marcum Traded to the Brewers for Brett Lawrie

[Ong_dynasty]

I actually like Marcum (and our "big 4").
But for all AA has done since he has become the manager, I have to trust him on this one.

[Randle McMurphy]

Selling high only makes sense if you are getting good value. The Jays didn't.

that's what you said about Wallace and he went on to hit .222 with a 13:1 K/BB ratio

In how many AB?

Wallace's ceiling may be pretty low for a 1B, but let's not pretend like a sample size of that size means anything at all.

[Randle McMurphy]

We traded Roy Halladay for a prospect and people are cool, we trade Marcum for a prospect and people aren't.

They was no real choice but to trade Halladay after he denied their request for a contract extension. Keeping him for one year wouldn't have served much purpose in 2010.

Marcum's situation is quite a bit different.

[Strav]

I was a huge fan of Marcum pre major injury thinking he was good as Roy in many respects. However, with that injury happening and that little bit of flare up last season, I was basically resigned to him being traded at some point particularly after his recent success. If we're looking for a #1 pitcher in the starting rotation (Marcum wasn't that guy), and if it means Lawrie is an added trade piece (crossing my fingers we keep Drabek) to land Greinke, then I love, love this deal. Otherwise, meh.

[dagger]

Orioles not standing pat:

Buster_ESPN
Deal that sends Mark Reynolds to Orioles will have David Hernandez and Kam Mickolio headed to Arizona.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

Imagine the D'Backs use Hernandez as a starter again, otherwise this trade makes even less sense. O's got a good deal without having to include Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta or Zach Britton.

[rarefind]

O's make out like bandits on that one.

[tempests_dawn]

Question: When does Marcum become an FA?

[rarefind]

Question: When does Marcum become an FA?

2 more years of arb.

[Hoopstarr]

We live in a world where Dan Uggla just got traded for Omar Infante and a reliever.

Doesn't that prove my point? An all-star type player getting traded and not bringing back a single stud, MLB-ready prospect.

LIke I said; the MLB-ready stud prospects are almost all off limits unless you are talking a trade for a true star player, which Marcum obviously isn't. Roy Oswalt brought back a backage headlined by Happ and Anthony Gose. Dan Haren Brought back Saunders, an A+ ball pitcher, and an A-ball pitcher. Victor Martinez got traded for Hagadone/Masterson.

Yes. Randle, please explain just what the hell you wanted back for Marcum, since you agreed also that Marcum should have been traded. Would some throw-in and have done it for you? Is that what these 24 pages are about?

[tempests_dawn]

Question: When does Marcum become an FA?

2 more years of arb.

Thanks.

So in 2 years time, what time of money would Marcum warrant on the FA market?

Ted Lilly/Gil Meche/Burnett money? Would the Jays be wise to give that type of contract to Marcum?

Not a rhetorical question here...

But I think the answer you give also shapes your view on this trade.

[Komodo]

Just finished reading through all 23 pages. So let me get this straight; it's a good trade if Lawrie can develop into a 30 HR player, but not it he turns out be a 20 HR player, due to his defensive shortcomings and basically being a guy without a position.

Definitely some risk.

[Sister]

Do we know the full deal though? I'm reading the Blue Jays message board and I'll quote one of the posters:

we won't know for sure if it is just lawrie straight up because they can't say anything official until after friday's rule 5 draft...till then they are leaks or assumptions on it being only one player and who it is...though more than likely it is just lawrie, we are not sure if there is anybody else yet coming our way

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/111363479.html

Not sure why they wouldn't be able to say anything official until after the Rule 5 draft.

Because Minor League rosters are frozen until after the Rule V draft (thus all the leaks and no official reports).

[torontoaces04]

Orioles not standing pat:

Buster_ESPN
Deal that sends Mark Reynolds to Orioles will have David Hernandez and Kam Mickolio headed to Arizona.

I don't want anyone on my team (besides Pitchers of course) who hit in the low .200 consistantly, I don't care how many homers he can hit. I can't see his numbers getting any better either considering the strength of our division.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

Just finished reading through all 23 pages. So let me get this straight; it's a good trade if Lawrie can develop into a 30 HR player, but not it he turns out be a 20 HR player, due to his defensive shortcomings and basically being a guy without a position.

Definitely some risk.

No, its' a good trade if the Jays are in rebuild mode, which we are. We're one year removed from Trading Roy Halladay and it doesn't take one year to rebuild a team. Ask any Leaf fan and they'll tell you the same thing. The Jays get a top prospect in return for Marcum.

The debate really is more at which direction the team is going then anything else.

[Sister]

We traded Roy Halladay for a prospect and people are cool, we trade Marcum for a prospect and people aren't.

They was no real choice but to trade Halladay after he denied their request for a contract extension. Keeping him for one year wouldn't have served much purpose in 2010.

Marcum's situation is quite a bit different.

It's different, but not that much. AA asked Marcum's about signing an extension to buy out his first couple of years of free agency. Marcum decline indicating a desire to move closer to home (in the mid-west).

[J-Roc]

Orioles not standing pat:

Buster_ESPN
Deal that sends Mark Reynolds to Orioles will have David Hernandez and Kam Mickolio headed to Arizona.

That joker has the Jays on his no-trade list. We need to boo his assssss huge when he comes to town.

[Sister]

O's make out like bandits on that one.

Not really. Pretty even trade in fact. Reynolds has struck out over 200 times in each of the last three years and had an OPS last year of 753. And now he is coming to the toughest division in baseball.

Good luck.

[augustine]

No, its' a good trade if the Jays are in rebuild mode, which we are. We're one year removed from Trading Roy Halladay and it doesn't take one year to rebuild a team. Ask any Leaf fan and they'll tell you the same thing. The Jays get a top prospect in return for Marcum.

The debate really is more at which direction the team is going then anything else.

Indeed. So, if AA is willing to deal Marcum, at his peak, before his big raise, because he is too old to fit the core during contention, why won't he do the same with say, Bautista, who is also at peak value, is just before a big raise, and is older than Marcum. If we are really rebuilding, deal Bautista for a young OF prospect. I keep getting mixed messages from AA. He seems to be rebuiding, then he gives up our prospects for 30 year old Rajai Davis, or 28 year old Escobar.

[torontoaces04]

O's make out like bandits on that one.

Not really. Pretty even trade in fact. Reynolds has struck out over 200 times in each of the last three years and had an OPS last year of 753. And now he is coming to the toughest division in baseball.

Good luck.

Sing it sista!