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Re: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread (mkg signs pg 18) 

Post#341 » by MKG14 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:44 am

AnaheimRoyale wrote:If we're just going off Summer league games (which everyone here is with MKG... one game in fact), then the Rockets alone have at least 2 players who look better or as good so far. The book on Drummond or Beal is not written yet, and Lillard has definitely looked better than MKG thus far. Sure, it's too early to tell, but to dismiss him is silly, he's looking awesome.

You drafted this guy #2 overall, not 5 or 6 or 7. The standard is different,

Lillard seems like a fringe all star at best, which is still top 50 in the league but MKG looks like if he does well he could be an all star over and over. Drummond could really be the best player in the draft overall but man, he's got a lot of changes to make personally. I think MKG looks like he'll be the 2nd best overall player. He's the second best defender in the draft after davis, that much is for sure.
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Post#342 » by AnaheimRoyale » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:47 am

A few months ago I thought T.Rob was the safe pick, so there's my credibility. Now of course, I also called him a Kenyon Martin clone, so I understood the guys limitations too, I just wondered if the Bobcats could afford to take a risky prospect.

But then, this is why no poster should be making decisions of this sort, GM's with scouts and experts paid millions of dollars, with access to all sorts of information we don't have, should make them... and when they make the wrong decision, they should be held to account. I don't presume to claim more expertness than any teams staff on talent evaluation, I've been pretty consistent in this, but it's crazy to suggest we shouldn't judge them for mistakes. You can justify everything with "yeh, made sense at the time".
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Re: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread (mkg signs pg 18) 

Post#343 » by thesneakysneak » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:29 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTOzcSqivEI&feature=related[/youtube]

Pretty nice breakdown vid of MKGs game. I'd rather see vids like this than highlight tapes.

Nothing very new here, apart from the horrendous conversion rate while driving to the right, which was interesting.
Good break down of hit shooting mechanics as well. Something to at least watch out for in his next few games to look for development.
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Re: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread (mkg signs pg 18) 

Post#344 » by Elden Payton » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:02 pm

AnaheimRoyale wrote:A few months ago I thought T.Rob was the safe pick, so there's my credibility. Now of course, I also called him a Kenyon Martin clone, so I understood the guys limitations too, I just wondered if the Bobcats could afford to take a risky prospect.

But then, this is why no poster should be making decisions of this sort, GM's with scouts and experts paid millions of dollars, with access to all sorts of information we don't have, should make them... and when they make the wrong decision, they should be held to account. I don't presume to claim more expertness than any teams staff on talent evaluation, I've been pretty consistent in this, but it's crazy to suggest we shouldn't judge them for mistakes. You can justify everything with "yeh, made sense at the time".


A lot of our board wanted Thomas Robinson (including me) I not for one second thought our FO had the balls to draft MKG after our trainwreck of a season.

You do realise that Kenyon Martin was a number one pick and a better prospect than Robinson ever will be??..also him and Robinson are similar in no way, shape or form.

When you call MKG a risky prospect you are definitely underselling him, we didn't draft Drummond who seems to fit this definition, at worst Gilchrist is a starting SF imo.

MKG is already the second best player from this draft class and if he wasn't on Kentucky he would have been able to put up the numbers to battle Davis for the number one spot imo, Gilchrist has got a massive ceiling and if he can avoid the injury bug then the sky's the limit.
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Re: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread (mkg signs pg 18) 

Post#345 » by Elden Payton » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:10 pm

Facts from that draft video about Gilchrist's defense in college-

Opponents shot 25% in iso situations..

PnR ballhandlers shot 23.5%..

Off the dribble shooters made 20.3%..

Opponents shot 31.4% at the rim..

This guy is a freak...
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Re: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread (mkg signs pg 18) 

Post#346 » by ball teacher » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:15 pm

AnaheimRoyale wrote:A few months ago I thought T.Rob was the safe pick, so there's my credibility. Now of course, I also called him a Kenyon Martin clone, so I understood the guys limitations too, I just wondered if the Bobcats could afford to take a risky prospect.


I kept pointing out a major flaw T. Rob had wasn't so much a skill, it was the obvious, his height! You don't see very many great power forwards at 6'8, he's not even 6'9 with shoes, yet the media keeps listing him at 6'9 to further hype him up and this is part of the reason certain players eventually become busts because they're hyped to be some great player when they aren't that. T. Rob had one really great college season and he's been playing for 3 years, that should tell us something, plus he was never a great defender or post scorer, now there are reports that he's taking too many jumpers and having a hard time scoring inside, I'm not surprised at all, but this is the guy many "scouts" and "analysts" projected us taking 2nd overall.

AnaheimRoyale wrote: But then, this is why no poster should be making decisions of this sort, GM's with scouts and experts paid millions of dollars, with access to all sorts of information we don't have, should make them... and when they make the wrong decision, they should be held to account. I don't presume to claim more expertness than any teams staff on talent evaluation, I've been pretty consistent in this, but it's crazy to suggest we shouldn't judge them for mistakes. You can justify everything with "yeh, made sense at the time".


Jared Sullinger made a comment about these guys who get paid all of this money to judge talent, he said something along the lines of them not knowing how to play basketball but they get paid to scout who's good and who's not. I think he has a point to a degree, I'd rather have a scout who's played the game and knows a real ball player when he sees one. Even then you still risk making a bad decision like Jordan did numerous times, or Joe Dumars did with Darko and so on.

One thing I see is that many times the analysts dont analyse college players games in respect to the next level of play. Meaning, does this good college player have a NBA type of game/body/position to play at the next level. You hear guys like Dick Vitale, and Jay Bilas assume every college star will have a long NBA career, and that is why these players get so overly hyped up and many times become busts. This is why I said before the first thing I wanna know is how tall is the player and does his height match the position he wants to play at the next level, if you're 6'0 sg and you were a great scorer in college, you probably wont be a great player in the NBA. If you were a dominant post player in college at 6'7, you probably wont dominate in the NBA, and so on. Just my opinion though.
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Re: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread (mkg signs pg 18) 

Post#347 » by ball teacher » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:31 pm

Sik Infant wrote: A lot of our board wanted Thomas Robinson (including me) I not for one second thought our FO had the balls to draft MKG after our trainwreck of a season.

You do realise that Kenyon Martin was a number one pick and a better prospect than Robinson ever will be??..also him and Robinson are similar in no way, shape or form.

When you call MKG a risky prospect you are definitely underselling him, we didn't draft Drummond who seems to fit this definition, at worst Gilchrist is a starting SF imo.

MKG is already the second best player from this draft class and if he wasn't on Kentucky he would have been able to put up the numbers to battle Davis for the number one spot imo, Gilchrist has got a massive ceiling and if he can avoid the injury bug then the sky's the limit.



Sik I completely agree with you. I wasn't high on MKG at first because the "analysts" described him as a SF who is a great defender with a bad jump shot. So to be fair I watched some highlights of him and did a little research. I found that he was on one of the best high school teams in the country and averaged 20 points per game, I saw that in every high school all star game like the Mcdonalds all american games and so on, he dominated and he always scored very well for a "defensive specialist". I also noticed the way he scored and how well he could control the ball and make plays, and it hit me how well rounded his game really is.

Some guys wont play well in all star game type settings, MKG plays just as well in all star games as he does in regular games, and that is telling you something, you've got a real ball player on your hands. Then when I heard about his speech problems, I was sold on him because if he can overcome this type of problem you have to be tough and be a fighter, and I can now understand why he's described as the hardest worker on the floor.

With all that being said, I'm worried about this knee problem, if it's ok and the coaches just dont want to play him anymore I understand, but if his leg is still hurting, I hope they've had it looked at to see if there was any damage done to it.
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Post#348 » by AnaheimRoyale » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:50 pm

Kenyon Martin was #1 pick in the worst draft in memory. Maybe the worst draft of all-time.
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Post#349 » by Elden Payton » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:32 pm

AnaheimRoyale wrote:Kenyon Martin was #1 pick in the worst draft in memory. Maybe the worst draft of all-time.


....

Your point is??

You were using Kenyon basically as a worst case scenario when in reality Kenyon Martin is even now better than Robinson will ever be(probably).

Thomas Robinson and Kenyon Martin have the same type of hulking build and not much else.

As players they have completely different styles and cannot be compared.

Can you answer the rest of the question?
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Post#350 » by Bassman » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:33 pm

We all went into the draft with our observations and opinions. I wanted to trade down to 4 and still take Robinson there. MKG was liked by many here, and a lot of analysts and teams thought highly of him. I was scared of his jumpshot and concerned about his inability to stretch the floor with poor range/effectiveness on that shot.

We've seen 1 summer league game of his, which was quite a debut. I saw the many things he did and he certainly made me think "WOW"...potential star power. Let's all hope he is every bit that.

It's of course way too early to evaluate the draft, or anyone relative to value, best picks, etc. I prefer to see how rookies progress game to game, and especially from the beginning to the end of a season. Then the true test is after 3 years of experience.

Looking forward to watching MKG and the team this season.
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Post#351 » by Elden Payton » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:35 pm

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Sik Infant wrote: A lot of our board wanted Thomas Robinson (including me) I not for one second thought our FO had the balls to draft MKG after our trainwreck of a season.

You do realise that Kenyon Martin was a number one pick and a better prospect than Robinson ever will be??..also him and Robinson are similar in no way, shape or form.

When you call MKG a risky prospect you are definitely underselling him, we didn't draft Drummond who seems to fit this definition, at worst Gilchrist is a starting SF imo.

MKG is already the second best player from this draft class and if he wasn't on Kentucky he would have been able to put up the numbers to battle Davis for the number one spot imo, Gilchrist has got a massive ceiling and if he can avoid the injury bug then the sky's the limit.



Sik I completely agree with you. I wasn't high on MKG at first because the "analysts" described him as a SF who is a great defender with a bad jump shot. So to be fair I watched some highlights of him and did a little research. I found that he was on one of the best high school teams in the country and averaged 20 points per game, I saw that in every high school all star game like the Mcdonalds all american games and so on, he dominated and he always scored very well for a "defensive specialist". I also noticed the way he scored and how well he could control the ball and make plays, and it hit me how well rounded his game really is.

Some guys wont play well in all star game type settings, MKG plays just as well in all star games as he does in regular games, and that is telling you something, you've got a real ball player on your hands. Then when I heard about his speech problems, I was sold on him because if he can overcome this type of problem you have to be tough and be a fighter, and I can now understand why he's described as the hardest worker on the floor.

With all that being said, I'm worried about this knee problem, if it's ok and the coaches just dont want to play him anymore I understand, but if his leg is still hurting, I hope they've had it looked at to see if there was any damage done to it.


Great post, we are in complete agreeance.

Another thing to point out is that MKG is a rare bird in the sense that guys with his talent level are usually quite selfish...but unbelievably he's the opposite.

Great point about playing well anywhere..The guy has got great heart and a great motor.
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Post#352 » by Elden Payton » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:39 pm

Bassman wrote:We all went into the draft with our observations and opinions. I wanted to trade down to 4 and still take Robinson there. MKG was liked by many here, and a lot of analysts and teams thought highly of him. I was scared of his jumpshot and concerned about his inability to stretch the floor with poor range/effectiveness on that shot.

We've seen 1 summer league game of his, which was quite a debut. I saw the many things he did and he certainly made me think "WOW"...potential star power. Let's all hope he is every bit that.

It's of course way too early to evaluate the draft, or anyone relative to value, best picks, etc. I prefer to see how rookies progress game to game, and especially from the beginning to the end of a season. Then the true test is after 3 years of experience.

Looking forward to watching MKG and the team this season.


Good post Bass,
What's funny is that people claim it's too early to claim a star but not too early to write guys off....
Very hypocritical...

Also Royale is a Spurs fan with a bit of a Kawhi insecurity methinks because essentially Kawhi is a poor man's MKG.

I'm a huge fan of Kawhi but MKG is a legit five star prospect.
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Post#353 » by AnaheimRoyale » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:44 pm

Spurs fans don't need to be insecure. Seriously. In particular, I am quite unfussed about whether MKG is better than Leonard (I have no idea at this stage if he will be). I am very doubtful MKG ends up the 2nd best player in this draft, or even top 3-4, and that's bad for a #2 pick. We'll wait and see of course, but some of the defensive remarks coming out are extremely hypocritical.
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Post#354 » by Elden Payton » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:51 pm

AnaheimRoyale wrote:Spurs fans don't need to be insecure. Seriously. In particular, I am quite unfussed about whether MKG is better than Leonard (I have no idea at this stage if he will be). I am very doubtful MKG ends up the 2nd best player in this draft, or even top 3-4, and that's bad for a #2 pick. We'll wait and see of course, but some of the defensive remarks coming out are extremely hypocritical.


MKG is already the second best player in this draft class despite being the youngest...He arguably has more upside than Davis...

MKG just led his college team to the title at 18 years old...let that sink in...

Ok so if MKG is not top four name them....

Also Kawhi averaged 8/5 in 24mpg....MKG is already better than him.
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Post#355 » by _tijo_ » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:07 pm

AnaheimRoyale wrote:Kenyon Martin was #1 pick in the worst draft in memory. Maybe the worst draft of all-time.

Perhaps your "memory" forgot about Kwame Brown, Michael Olowakandi, Greg Oden, Andrew Bogut, and Andrea Bargnani.
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Post#356 » by Diop » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:16 pm

aww c'mon now, don't include bogey with that mix
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Post#357 » by Elden Payton » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:21 pm

Compared to the rest Bogut shouldn't be on there...Oden too considering the damn injury bug.
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Post#358 » by MKG14 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:23 pm

_tijo_ wrote:
AnaheimRoyale wrote:Kenyon Martin was #1 pick in the worst draft in memory. Maybe the worst draft of all-time.

Perhaps your "memory" forgot about Kwame Brown, Michael Olowakandi, Greg Oden, Andrew Bogut, and Andrea Bargnani.

perhaps your reading comprehension didn't notice "worst draft in memory" meaning the draft was weak.
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Post#359 » by fatlever » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:21 pm

AnaheimRoyale wrote:Spurs fans don't need to be insecure. Seriously. In particular, I am quite unfussed about whether MKG is better than Leonard (I have no idea at this stage if he will be). I am very doubtful MKG ends up the 2nd best player in this draft, or even top 3-4, and that's bad for a #2 pick. We'll wait and see of course, but some of the defensive remarks coming out are extremely hypocritical.


you keep saying that there is no way MKG can be the 2nd best player in the draft and therefor he is a bad pick, yet you never suggest who should be the 2nd pick (other than mentioning robinson, who i am also sure you would admit won't be the 2nd best player in this draft either).

i think your position is a bit ridiculous. if MKG turns out the be the 4th best player in this draft, i dont think that would qualify him as a bad pick. do you? there are are 58 players selected after MKG so the odds that 1 of those 58 turns out better than MKG is pretty high. that doesnt mean its a bad pick.

lets just say for arguments sake, in 5 years the best players in the draft look like (i'm just pulling names here)
1) davis
2) lillard
3) lamb
4) mkg
5) beal
6) barnes

does this mean MKG was a bad pick? should we have drafted lillard? should we have reached and taken lamb?

what about davis? if in 5 years the top players look like
1) mkg
2) drummond
3) beal
4) davis

does that mean the hornets made a horrible pick?
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Re: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread (mkg signs pg 18) 

Post#360 » by NataFresh » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:24 pm

AnaheimRoyale wrote:Kenyon Martin was #1 pick in the worst draft in memory. Maybe the worst draft of all-time.


Obviously you've forgotten Michael Olawakandi

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