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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.) 

Post#341 » by Def Swami » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:33 pm

Magicman125 wrote:No way we're getting two glue guys in Hamilton and Hinrich PLUS a first round pick for Afflalo and Ayon. If we took Robinson off their hands with one of our TPE's, they may add a 2nd rounder, that's about all I'd expect from what appears to be a very competent management. Hamilton can still produce and is on a very reasonable contract that is soon to expire (actually at the end of next season, right before not only a huge FA class of 2014, but also what looks to be a strong draft class as well). They'll understand our motives for going after Hamilton, and probably won't be willing to give us much in the way of picks given the rather minimal amount of financial benefit this deal would provide them with.

EDIT: The only way I see them giving us worthwhile picks (1st rounders, maybe even the Bobcats pick) is if we give up the Dwight TPE, as they could pocket it and save a ton of money. The question Henny would have to ask himself is, "Are those picks in a weak draft class going to be worth more than anything else he could acquire with the combination of some of our assets and the huge TPE?"

(I realize separate transactions would have to be done with the TPE and our assets, as TPEs can't be combined in trade scenarios, but it'd still essentially be a package, just done in separate transactions)

I wouldn't want Hinrich. He really doesn't fit in our plans long term. And, I wouldn't even want Hamilton. I'd only take Hamilton off of their hands if it came with the picks. Don't forget how Hamilton became a cancer in Detroit when they started losing. I really wouldn't want him near our team.

Like Nyce suggested, I'd send our TPE to CHI for Rip and picks. That's a fair trade imo if they're trying to avoid the tax.

And you are absolutely correct about the assessment Hennigan would have to make. But, I wouldn't give up Afflalo for 2 players I don't see fitting into our long term plans. Draft picks imo are better assets for our team.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX 

Post#342 » by OrlChamps2030 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:47 pm

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.@sbnGrizzlies proposes a trade of Rudy Gay and Josh Selby for J.J. and Hedo. http://t.co/CwlqSDdO

.@poundingtherock has a few Magic/Spurs trade ideas, mostly involving Gus Ayón. http://t.co/aS45mzoh

.@slcdunk suggests a straight-up swap of J.J. Redick and Paul Millsap. http://t.co/UcEYW7bR


Rudy Gay and Josh Selby for J.J. Redick and Hedo Turkoglu???? TAKE IT AND RUN!


I mean.. JJ is my favorite player on the Magic but to get back Rudy Gay AND Selby AND get rid of Hedo?

Where would the Magic project this year (with out current record) with a line-up

Jameer//Selby/Moore
Afflalo/Moore/Gay
Gay/Harkless/McRoberts
BBD/Nicholson/McRoberts
Vucevic/Ayon/O'Quinn

Not a bad team in a very weak Eastern Conference..
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.) 

Post#343 » by trebone » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:52 pm

At this point in their careers I would rather have Moore as our backup sg than Rip Hamilton, he cant stay healthy and IMO done as a real contributor. I like the idea of Gay here but he makes a ton of money going forward and I dont think that is the direction this team is looking to go.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.) 

Post#344 » by OrlChamps2030 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:58 pm

Chad Ford (1:27 PM)
Boston likes him. Not sure they have the assets to acquire him. Once upon a time they were willing to give up Rondo to draft him, but those days are over. I'm not sure he's a future all-star. Never learned how to shoot, play defense or play with others. Physical talents are all there, but physical talents alone don't get you into All-Star games.


Dropping 20-5.8-5.3 you're rookie year isn't just talent. I bet if he was out of Sacramento and wasn't on a team that wasn't a disaster he would play at an all-star level. I wonder how he would look with Vaughn on the Magic. To me he is a shooting guard that has exceptional handles even for point guard standards and can get to the basket at will. Not having an outside shot at this point in his career doesn't mean he just relies off physical talents
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Post#345 » by Bensational » Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:58 pm

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NickAnderson wrote:Why on earth would Houston give up two young prospects for ayon and our fuggin tpe?? Jesus this board is a damn trip sometimes!!


Houston gives up two young prospects (who are playing in the D League) for Millsap, because they need to improve their front court to compete now.

Dallas is the team that would take Ayon and the TPE in exchange for Marion and Crowder.

i don't think either of those are unreasonable.

Compete now? Aside from Delfino, everyone on their roster is 26 or younger. 9 of their guys are still on rookie contracts. What part of that team needs to compete now?


the same part that needs to compete later?

they've just invested heavily into Harden, Lin and Asik, so they're going to want to see some success in return for that. they've got an abundance of young bigs, so they could easily afford to part with 2 of them for a ready now PF who will certainly propel them into the PO's.

why would you want to delay being the most competitive team you can be, unless you're convinced DM and TJones are superstars in the making - in which case, i wonder why they're playing D-League and not getting more burn in an already young front court rotation?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX 

Post#346 » by Bensational » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:01 pm

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Evan Dunlap @BQRMagic
.@sbnGrizzlies proposes a trade of Rudy Gay and Josh Selby for J.J. and Hedo. http://t.co/CwlqSDdO

.@poundingtherock has a few Magic/Spurs trade ideas, mostly involving Gus Ayón. http://t.co/aS45mzoh

.@slcdunk suggests a straight-up swap of J.J. Redick and Paul Millsap. http://t.co/UcEYW7bR


Rudy Gay and Josh Selby for J.J. Redick and Hedo Turkoglu???? TAKE IT AND RUN!


i'd be all over that Rudy Gay deal. all over it.

and i'm a massive JJ fan.
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Post#347 » by tiderulz » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:08 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:Spurs blogger from SB Nation proposes trade for Gustavo Ayon
Cory Joseph for Gustavo Ayon, straight up. Joseph fits the Magic's need to go young in their rebuilding efforts, he'll likely stay cheap for awhile, and he has spent time in the Spurs' system and under the tutelage of some very skilled coaches and mentors. Joseph has plenty of natural ability, and the expectations in Orlando should be comparatively easy for him to handle. Cory won't need to start right away, but should see plenty of playing time.

Ayon, on the other hand, could fit the mold of what the Spurs may be looking for. He is a young, athletic, defensive-minded power forward. He has a knack for big plays, as seen with New Orleans in his rookie year. He can be a very productive force on the boards and on occasion can have a high point game, in the range of 12-16 points. He would probably produce statistically close to DeJuan Blair, but his length and defense could make him a more valuable asset. In New Orleans last year, Ayon averaged 6 points, 5 boards, 1 assist, 1 block, 1 steal, and 1 turnover in 20 minutes per game under Monty Williams. This year, his production is down a bit, but then again, he is in Orlando.

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2012/11/ ... stavo-ayon


i dont know. Joseph has been there just over a year and hasnt produced much at all.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX 

Post#348 » by thelead » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:11 pm

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MagicTownBaller wrote:
Evan Dunlap @BQRMagic
.@sbnGrizzlies proposes a trade of Rudy Gay and Josh Selby for J.J. and Hedo. http://t.co/CwlqSDdO

.@poundingtherock has a few Magic/Spurs trade ideas, mostly involving Gus Ayón. http://t.co/aS45mzoh

.@slcdunk suggests a straight-up swap of J.J. Redick and Paul Millsap. http://t.co/UcEYW7bR


Rudy Gay and Josh Selby for J.J. Redick and Hedo Turkoglu???? TAKE IT AND RUN!


i'd be all over that Rudy Gay deal. all over it.

and i'm a massive JJ fan.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.) 

Post#349 » by tiderulz » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:12 pm

Magicman125 wrote:

No way we're getting two glue guys in Hamilton and Hinrich PLUS a first round pick for Afflalo and Ayon. If we took Robinson off their hands with one of our TPE's, they may add a 2nd rounder, that's about all I'd expect from what appears to be a very competent management. Hamilton can still produce and is on a very reasonable contract that is soon to expire (actually at the end of next season, right before not only a huge FA class of 2014, but also what looks to be a strong draft class as well). They'll understand our motives for going after Hamilton, and probably won't be willing to give us much in the way of picks given the rather minimal amount of financial benefit this deal would provide them with.

EDIT: The only way I see them giving us worthwhile picks (1st rounders, maybe even the Bobcats pick) is if we give up the Dwight TPE, as they could pocket it and save a ton of money. The question Henny would have to ask himself is, "Are those picks in a weak draft class going to be worth more than anything else he could acquire with the combination of some of our assets and the huge TPE?"

(I realize separate transactions would have to be done with the TPE and our assets, as TPEs can't be combined in trade scenarios, but it'd still essentially be a package, just done in separate transactions)


they may have BEEN glue guys, but they are ghosts of their past. Chicago wants Hinrich gone so they can play Teague more and Rip is just dead. I wouldnt trade anything of value for them.
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Post#350 » by thelead » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:17 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:I assume this is why I'm seeing so many trade rumors with Rudy Gay. I think their owner should pay the tax and make a deep playoff runs for a few years.
The Grizzlies have a several players making a lot of money next year. For the 2013–14 season, Rudy Gay will be making $17,888,931; Zach Randolph will be making $17,800,000; Marc Gasol will be making $14,860,523; and Mike Conley will be making $8,000,001. The year after that, Gay and Randolph have player options for $19.3 million and $16.5 million respectively, Gasol makes $15.8 million and Conley makes $8.6 million.[1]

To put it simply, something has to give. That’s $58 million tied up in four players, and that’s not including Tony Wroten’s rookie deal, team options on Josh Selby and Quincy Pondexter, Marreese Speights’ player option, or Hamed Haddadi’s $1.3 million. The Grizzlies are a small market team with a new ownership group. Unless they’re willing to go far into the luxury tax to keep the entire core together, somebody’s going to have to go eventually.

So, with that in mind, let’s look at what NBA Trade season for the Grizzlies might look like.

http://www.straightouttavancouver.com/2 ... scal-cliff


That is why some teams never leave the lottery. Memphis has built a great squad and their owner can't keep them together. Money is a big reason why we're different from other smaller market teams; as long as RDV owns the team we don't have to worry about him not spending to win.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.) 

Post#351 » by tiderulz » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:29 pm

thelead wrote:
VGOSWAMI wrote:I assume this is why I'm seeing so many trade rumors with Rudy Gay. I think their owner should pay the tax and make a deep playoff runs for a few years.
The Grizzlies have a several players making a lot of money next year. For the 2013–14 season, Rudy Gay will be making $17,888,931; Zach Randolph will be making $17,800,000; Marc Gasol will be making $14,860,523; and Mike Conley will be making $8,000,001. The year after that, Gay and Randolph have player options for $19.3 million and $16.5 million respectively, Gasol makes $15.8 million and Conley makes $8.6 million.[1]

To put it simply, something has to give. That’s $58 million tied up in four players, and that’s not including Tony Wroten’s rookie deal, team options on Josh Selby and Quincy Pondexter, Marreese Speights’ player option, or Hamed Haddadi’s $1.3 million. The Grizzlies are a small market team with a new ownership group. Unless they’re willing to go far into the luxury tax to keep the entire core together, somebody’s going to have to go eventually.

So, with that in mind, let’s look at what NBA Trade season for the Grizzlies might look like.

http://www.straightouttavancouver.com/2 ... scal-cliff


That is why some teams never leave the lottery. Memphis has built a great squad and their owner can't keep them together. Money is a big reason why we're different from other smaller market teams; as long as RDV owns the team we don't have to worry about him not spending to win.


maybe, but that is a pretty atrocious contract for Gay. He is a good player, but just not worth almost $19mil/yr on average in my opinion
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Post#352 » by thelead » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:40 pm

tiderulz wrote:
thelead wrote:That is why some teams never leave the lottery. Memphis has built a great squad and their owner can't keep them together. Money is a big reason why we're different from other smaller market teams; as long as RDV owns the team we don't have to worry about him not spending to win.


maybe, but that is a pretty atrocious contract for Gay. He is a good player, but just not worth almost $19mil/yr on average in my opinion

Yeah, the contract isn't great but he does help the team and is worth at least ~$12 mil ($19 mil is the last year of his deal, not average btw). I couldn't imagine RDV forcing our GM to give away a talent like that to save money, especially when they're playing the type of ball they've played this year.
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Post#353 » by Bensational » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:14 pm

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thelead wrote:That is why some teams never leave the lottery. Memphis has built a great squad and their owner can't keep them together. Money is a big reason why we're different from other smaller market teams; as long as RDV owns the team we don't have to worry about him not spending to win.


maybe, but that is a pretty atrocious contract for Gay. He is a good player, but just not worth almost $19mil/yr on average in my opinion

Yeah, the contract isn't great but he does help the team and is worth at least ~$12 mil ($19 mil is the last year of his deal, not average btw). I couldn't imagine RDV forcing our GM to give away a talent like that to save money, especially when they're playing the type of ball they've played this year.


contract sucks, but you've gotta think that if Hennigan does make a move for him, then that's because he believes he'll be worth that deal.... or, that he'll be able to convince him to re-sign for much cheaper when he's a FA.
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Post#354 » by thelead » Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:18 pm

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thelead wrote: Yeah, the contract isn't great but he does help the team and is worth at least ~$12 mil ($19 mil is the last year of his deal, not average btw). I couldn't imagine RDV forcing our GM to give away a talent like that to save money, especially when they're playing the type of ball they've played this year.


contract sucks, but you've gotta think that if Hennigan does make a move for him, then that's because he believes he'll be worth that deal.... or, that he'll be able to convince him to re-sign for much cheaper when he's a FA.


In the right system, I believe he could be worth that contract. All of the skills are there. I would make the trade for him.
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Post#355 » by msmoore66 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:31 am

Bensational wrote:
MagicTownBaller wrote:
Evan Dunlap @BQRMagic
.@sbnGrizzlies proposes a trade of Rudy Gay and Josh Selby for J.J. and Hedo. http://t.co/CwlqSDdO

.@poundingtherock has a few Magic/Spurs trade ideas, mostly involving Gus Ayón. http://t.co/aS45mzoh

.@slcdunk suggests a straight-up swap of J.J. Redick and Paul Millsap. http://t.co/UcEYW7bR


Rudy Gay and Josh Selby for J.J. Redick and Hedo Turkoglu???? TAKE IT AND RUN!


i'd be all over that Rudy Gay deal. all over it.

and i'm a massive JJ fan.


Yeap, I would go gay for JJ, but for Gay I would......

Sorry, just had to.

But completely agree. JJ is the one Magician I want to stick around, but for that deal.... fire away Henny.
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Post#356 » by KingRobb02 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:35 am

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KingRobb02 wrote:Compete now? Aside from Delfino, everyone on their roster is 26 or younger. 9 of their guys are still on rookie contracts. What part of that team needs to compete now?


the same part that needs to compete later?

they've just invested heavily into Harden, Lin and Asik, so they're going to want to see some success in return for that. they've got an abundance of young bigs, so they could easily afford to part with 2 of them for a ready now PF who will certainly propel them into the PO's.

why would you want to delay being the most competitive team you can be, unless you're convinced DM and TJones are superstars in the making - in which case, i wonder why they're playing D-League and not getting more burn in an already young front court rotation?

The Rockets are in the same position we are in. They are a .500 team that isn't a single move away from being a contender. Just because they got a couple of value priced free agents and made a trade for a potential all-star doesn't put them in win-now mode. Morey is smart enough to know that he needs a superstar and still has dreams of bringing in Dwight this summer. He isn't looking to ruin any of his cap space on a move that keeps him below the Thunder and Spurs. Unless the trade is for Gasol/Love type, Morey isn't doing it.
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Post#357 » by thelead » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:06 am

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KingRobb02 wrote:Compete now? Aside from Delfino, everyone on their roster is 26 or younger. 9 of their guys are still on rookie contracts. What part of that team needs to compete now?


the same part that needs to compete later?

they've just invested heavily into Harden, Lin and Asik, so they're going to want to see some success in return for that. they've got an abundance of young bigs, so they could easily afford to part with 2 of them for a ready now PF who will certainly propel them into the PO's.

why would you want to delay being the most competitive team you can be, unless you're convinced DM and TJones are superstars in the making - in which case, i wonder why they're playing D-League and not getting more burn in an already young front court rotation?

The Rockets are in the same position we are in. They are a .500 team that isn't a single move away from being a contender. Just because they got a couple of value priced free agents and made a trade for a potential all-star doesn't put them in win-now mode. Morey is smart enough to know that he needs a superstar and still has dreams of bringing in Dwight this summer. He isn't looking to ruin any of his cap space on a move that keeps him below the Thunder and Spurs. Unless the trade is for Gasol/Love type, Morey isn't doing it.


The Rockets are a step ahead of us. They have a star. We're looking for one.
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Post#358 » by Bensational » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:54 am

KingRobb02 wrote:
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KingRobb02 wrote:Compete now? Aside from Delfino, everyone on their roster is 26 or younger. 9 of their guys are still on rookie contracts. What part of that team needs to compete now?


the same part that needs to compete later?

they've just invested heavily into Harden, Lin and Asik, so they're going to want to see some success in return for that. they've got an abundance of young bigs, so they could easily afford to part with 2 of them for a ready now PF who will certainly propel them into the PO's.

why would you want to delay being the most competitive team you can be, unless you're convinced DM and TJones are superstars in the making - in which case, i wonder why they're playing D-League and not getting more burn in an already young front court rotation?

The Rockets are in the same position we are in. They are a .500 team that isn't a single move away from being a contender. Just because they got a couple of value priced free agents and made a trade for a potential all-star doesn't put them in win-now mode. Morey is smart enough to know that he needs a superstar and still has dreams of bringing in Dwight this summer. He isn't looking to ruin any of his cap space on a move that keeps him below the Thunder and Spurs. Unless the trade is for Gasol/Love type, Morey isn't doing it.


no matter how smart Morey is, doesn't change the fact that true superstars are incredibly rare. the only upcoming 'sure thing' looks like Wiggins, and that isn't until next season. does Morey keep his team in a losing position until then, just for a small chance at landing the #1 pick? i don't know if he's got that liberty. in upcoming free agency his options are Dwight, CP3, LeBron, Wade, Bosh. beyond that, the pickings are slim, and if we're talking about a team that plans on losing for over 3 years just to try and land a star, then Morey won't have a job by then.

taking on Millsap doesn't impact cap space this summer for Houston. if anything, it gives them a s&t piece to offer in return for Dwight, if need be. however, i'm not convinced Dwight goes to Houston, (although, it would probably be one of the best places for him). in which case, Morey is forced to go back to praying for Wiggins, hoping LeBron/Wade/Bosh decide to break up a dynasty, or he tries to build the most competitive team he can with the pieces at hand. that brings us back to the original point - how seriously do DM or TJones factor into that picture?
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Post#359 » by Bensational » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:57 am

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thelead wrote: Yeah, the contract isn't great but he does help the team and is worth at least ~$12 mil ($19 mil is the last year of his deal, not average btw). I couldn't imagine RDV forcing our GM to give away a talent like that to save money, especially when they're playing the type of ball they've played this year.


contract sucks, but you've gotta think that if Hennigan does make a move for him, then that's because he believes he'll be worth that deal.... or, that he'll be able to convince him to re-sign for much cheaper when he's a FA.


In the right system, I believe he could be worth that contract. All of the skills are there. I would make the trade for him.


same. especially since we put more than half that money into Hedo for the past couple of seasons. we may as well spend it on a player with talent.
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Post#360 » by MagicFan32 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:23 am

After hating Ayon for the first month, I have to admit he has been playing great lately, his passing and rebounding have really been helping our bench be productive. I wouldn't sell low on him, if he keeps playing like this we can get something good
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