Pacers File Charges Against Lakers For Tampering With Paul George

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Granted, I'll completely agree that a lot of Laker fans are being repetitive and are failing to see your whole point...however, read what you just posted. Look at your first statement. You didn't say the Laker's got away with anything, but you did say "the NBA will not do anything too bad to the Lakers, they benefit more by the Lakers being good.". Those are your exact words, yet you never supported any evidence for that claim. That's why those arguing with you keep saying "tell me what the Lakers got away with", because that is what your statement is heavily implying.


If you're saying "The NBA will not do anything to bad to the Lakers, they benefit more by the Lakers being good.", and that is your argument, those arguing against you absoloutely have the right to say "wait, what is your evidence that supports this statement.".

Now since you are reiterating that you never said "the lakers got away with anything", which is true, then that implies that you have no evidence to support your claim, other than your opinion.


What the other side is arguing, though maybe not perfectly, is this simple:

"If the NBA won't do anything too bad to the Lakers because they benefit more by the Lakers good (your claim), then why is there no example of this ever happening in the past."

I'm not saying I 100% agree with that argument, or that I 100% think you're incorrect. I'm just saying it's a valid argument.



If I say the following as a laker fan : " Of course the league will come down hard on the lakers....all the owners are jealous of the lakers and their success" (certainly not something I slightly believe in or would ever say). Wouldn't you respond with " what have other owners ever done to make you think that?". Then I can of course say "I never said the other owners have ever done anything to make me think that, i never said that!". Then wouldn't you say, " Then where is the evidence to support your original claim...other than your possibly biased opinion?" ?



I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not saying the others have done a great job arguing their point. I'm just saying, it's a valid thing to ask for someone to support a claim they made. It doesn't mean if they can't support the claim the claim isn't true, but it does certainly make the claim weaker when the person arguing for it can't bring up any past examples to support it, don't you think?

Well, as I said earlier, I think the NBA cares a lot about money and will do certain things to influence the way things go to ensure they make as much money as they can.

The NBA benefits more when the Lakers are successful. As I've said, its nothing to do with the Lakers, its my belief on the NBA.

[TheRealKaboom]

Peter Vecsey on SXM this morning reporting league concluded no tampering by Lakers.

It's going to be very fun looking back through this thread today.

[LAKESHOW]

So the results are in? Zero? Zip? Nada? What a complete witch hunt, proving that all along the Pacers were just butt hurt their star player wanted to leave. Ridiculous.

[Curmudgeon]

So the results are in? Zero? Zip? Nada? What a complete witch hunt, proving that all along the Pacers were just butt hurt their star player wanted to leave. Ridiculous.

Kevin Pritchard had a reputation for being a jerk in Portland and that apparently has not changed.

[LAKESHOW]

If this is true PLEASE BRING BACK the poster he said this months ago and was clowned by everyone (me included)

Nevermind. Keep clowning that guy.

[tocooks101]

So the results are in? Zero? Zip? Nada? What a complete witch hunt, proving that all along the Pacers were just butt hurt their star player wanted to leave. Ridiculous.

They havnt released the results yet, nor have they stated what evidence they have/didn't have when they decided to launch this investigation.

For a fan so quick to jump down peoples throats for alleging the Lakers tampered without proof, you are literally doing the exact same thing now smh.

[LAKESHOW]

So you don't approve of the results??

[tocooks101]

Results have not yet officially been announced, so I would have no way to know if I approve or not.

[HurricaneDij25]

Peter Vecsey on SXM this morning reporting league concluded no tampering by Lakers.

It's going to be very fun looking back through this thread today.

Back in 2008, I made a post on the CBSSports message boards (back when they still existed) that the Pacers should trade Jamaal Tinsley to Denver for Chucky Atkins and Steven Hunter. Not even a day later, Vecsey headlined those exact trade details as if it were actual news. Wouldn't be surprised if he copied the idea from my post in itself.

Throw in the fact that Vecsey lacked the temerity to tweet out this so-called "news" yesterday, and I have very good reason to take his word with a grain of salt....

[Spintown]

Peter Vecsey on SXM this morning reporting league concluded no tampering by Lakers.

It's going to be very fun looking back through this thread today.

Back in 2008, I made a post on the CBSSports message boards (back when they still existed) that the Pacers should trade Jamaal Tinsley to Denver for Chucky Atkins and Steven Hunter. Not even a day later, Vecsey headlined those exact trade details as if it were actual news. Wouldn't be surprised if he copied the idea from my post in itself.

Throw in the fact that Vecsey lacked the temerity to tweet out this so-called "news" yesterday, and I have very good reason to take his word with a grain of salt....

Huh? What? Vecsey was the one who initially reported that the lakers are being investigated for tampering. Now he he is saying no tampering by the lakers?

I guess the whole thing was made up just for clicks.

[tocooks101]

So you don't approve of the results??

Looks like a $500,000 fine, so not a lot, but also not nothing.

[Devils Advocate]

Peter Vecsey on SXM this morning reporting league concluded no tampering by Lakers.

It's going to be very fun looking back through this thread today.

What about now?

[Effigy]

Peter Vecsey on SXM this morning reporting league concluded no tampering by Lakers.

It's going to be very fun looking back through this thread today.

Well, they concluded that they couldn't find any EVIDENCE of tampering. Not the same thing at all. It was always a long shot. What, were they going to find a written letter with Magic and Paul George's signatures on it? . If the Lakers did tamper, they'd be smart enough to use burner phones and not use the company e-mail. And that's assuming the league even looked that closely.

[Camping Fan]

Randall will never be able to tie PG's shoes.

I don't believe the Pacers wanted Ball. Can you imagine the fit his nutjob daddy would be doing if his strapping young Lonzo had gotten traded out here to play amongst the grain silo's, corn fields and pig farmers of Indiana. It would have been Epic!

The Pacers would have used the 2nd pick on Josh Jackson.

As I have said before - Neither Randall nor Clarkson could replace Paul George, but Randall + Clarkson combined is better than the Oladipo + Sabonis + those two draft picks - One them became Kuzma who is being called the steal of the century - we will soon get to see if they are full of it or telling the truth.

Analysis: I think Indiana should have waited a few weeks and been patient

Being called steal of the draft by 39 other rookies who have never played in the NBA is some qualitative proof of what exactly? And since we like to make up nonsense he was ranked 5th in that survey. Meaning he wasn't considered the steal of the draft but go on and tell us more.

I think you have to be paying attention and reading what qualified experts have been saying to understand the value, so until you have done that - I see no reason in trying to explain it

[Camping Fan]

Either way - I want to wish the Indiana Pacers and their fans a good season and good luck. It's no secret that players over the years have wanted to sign with the Lakers and called them at midnight ready to sign - That's the nature of the beast because of who the Lakers are and their history in winning. The Spurs have had tremendous success as a small market team and dominated equally - so they have proven that good management skills can make a difference. Don't blame the Lakers because Paul George wanted out. Kyrie Irving wanted out as well. Chris Paul wanted out. That's the nature of the game and to be expected

Since Shaq in 1996, what's other star players have the lakers attracted? I guess there's one year where they got Old Malone and Payton. And then they got Ron Artest.

Every other acquisition of worth was either a draft pick or a trade.

Don't forget the Pau Gasol trade and all the conspiracy theorists ranting about how Memphis took the raw end of the deal and Jerry West was in cahoots with the Lakers. Thats until Marc Gasol turned out to be bonafide star and everyone shutup.

I guarantee you there will be guy who will lay into this post again. None will be the Grizz or Laker fans though.

As I recall, they got Kobe Bryant who stayed with he Lakers for 20 years and won three championships with Shaq and then two more with Pau Gasol. How many did your team win during that time?

[dho4ever]

Since Shaq in 1996, what's other star players have the lakers attracted? I guess there's one year where they got Old Malone and Payton. And then they got Ron Artest.

Every other acquisition of worth was either a draft pick or a trade.

Don't forget the Pau Gasol trade and all the conspiracy theorists ranting about how Memphis took the raw end of the deal and Jerry West was in cahoots with the Lakers. Thats until Marc Gasol turned out to be bonafide star and everyone shutup.

I guarantee you there will be guy who will lay into this post again. None will be the Grizz or Laker fans though.

As I recall, they got Kobe Bryant who stayed with he Lakers for 20 years and won three championships with Shaq and then two more with Pau Gasol. How many did your team win during that time?

Kobe Bryant was drafted. If you read and try a little bit harder, you'll see my last sentence clearly states that I was omitting draft picks. And if you try even harder, I'm talking about how the lakers haven't been very successful in poaching players in Free Agency except for Shaq.

[TheHartBreakKid]

Here is what I see, and I know that laker logo on my profile is going to make my opinion irrelevant for a lot of people, but for what it 's worth, I would be feeling the same exact way if this was about any two other teams.


Let me start by saying that I really feel for the Indiana fans. Losing your star sucks, and losing them like this, for this return, sucks even more. You guys by all means seem like a great loyal fanbase, and a classy bunch, and as someone who has Myles Turner in his keeper league, I wish you nothing but success in the future.


Now, here is what I see:


I see a front office who simply messed up in multiple ways. They didn't extend their contending run by letting Lance go, and settled for being mediocre for a few years, while not learning from pretty much every other small market team with a star in a non contending situation in the past decade. Despite indications that PG will leave, they refused to trade him until absoloutely the last second, while also failing to put anything decent around him. Granted, I understand the disadvantages certain markets face in team building, and I'm not saying it would have been this easy thing , and that this happened just because of incompetence. It's a crappy situation for them too, but they deserve far more blame than they are getting right now.

Anyways, this front office, now unhappy with it's current situation, but still very stubborn, accepted a pretty crappy deal for their star, but again to be fair, they simply didn't have too many options. Now if DLO was on the board I would have absolutely taken him and put aside my pride, but lets say he wasn't on the board, and this was actually the best trade they had available. Either way, I see this front office basically putting themselves in good graces with their fans by blaming this situation on the Lakers and PG, and judging by this thread, it's actually working. They filed a tampering charge due to Magic being an easy target (he didn't help himself regarding that), and some minimal circumstantial "evidence" and now, due to natural fan tendencies to be bias, in the eyes of their fanbase they've done nothing wrong, and are just the victim of the evil lakers, the selfish PG, and the unfair NBA. Pritchard did this as a new GM and is now currently "Mr. doesn't take **** from the Lakers...and doesn't get phased into giving the bad big market clubs what they want", despite the fact that PG will still likely land with the Lakers, and that the Pacers still got a pretty crappy deal for him, atleast in some part due to their own mistakes.



I know many won't see eye to eye with me, and in the long run my opinion simply doesn't matter. The Pacer FO have done their job in order to deflect any attention away from themselves. The Laker FO is now looked at as shady, and the this evil Lakers narrative is a little stronger, again despite any goddamn evidence. The Lakers will still eventually get back to contention, with or without PG, and the Pacers will rebuild for a few years, which is what they had to do anyways.


I wish the best for Pacer fans, and hate how all of this unfolded, but my honest opinion is that this was some pretty genius PR by the Pacer F.O who was in a relatively tough and unstable spot.

[The Laker Kid]

That's $500K well spent if they actually end up with PG. In fact, they probably planned it that way.

[norcocredo]

Maybe it has already been asked but why wasn't PG fined? Was he not under contract when these tampering accusations happened? If not PG, why not his agent?

[Jedi32]

Peter Vecsey on SXM this morning reporting league concluded no tampering by Lakers.

It's going to be very fun looking back through this thread today.

Well, they concluded that they couldn't find any EVIDENCE of tampering. Not the same thing at all. It was always a long shot. What, were they going to find a written letter with Magic and Paul George's signatures on it? . If the Lakers did tamper, they'd be smart enough to use burner phones and not use the company e-mail. And that's assuming the league even looked that closely.

lol this whole thing is starting to sound like fake news. if they didn't find any evidence then all we have is hearsay from the pacers.