EAGLES WIN SUPER BOWL LII! 2018 CHAMPS!!!

[Sixersftw]

The NFL is so bad right now, really pathetic. This is a good Eagles team that looks great because there really are no great teams any more in either conference. Not sure I've ever seen a time where there are literally no great teams, and not a whole lot of good ones, for that matter. I mean, a mediocre at best Giants team is probably the 5th or 6th best team right now.

I think the Bills are a flat out great team but otherwise I agree. We've reached real parity and it kinda sucks.

[Sixerscan]

I think the AFC is more or less normal but there seems like a power vacuum in the NFC with all the top teams last year seemingly falling off. Still early though. Chiefs started 3-4 last year before finishing 12-5.

Eagles have a shot at being special if they can stay relatively healthy, schedule sets up very nice for them.

[mjkvol]

The NFL is so bad right now, really pathetic. This is a good Eagles team that looks great because there really are no great teams any more in either conference. Not sure I've ever seen a time where there are literally no great teams, and not a whole lot of good ones, for that matter. I mean, a mediocre at best Giants team is probably the 5th or 6th best team right now.

I think the Bills are a flat out great team but otherwise I agree. We've reached real parity and it kinda sucks.

I was thinking of teams that could legitimately have competed 5-10 years ago, and the only two that came to mind were BUF and KC.

The Chiefs have underachieved big time given the talent they have had along with a generational QB. Reid should have three rings there with what he has had to work with, but in true Reid fashion they have minimized the talent gap they have with one ring, which was handed to them by Shanahan, whose stock in trade is out-Reiding Reid in big spots.

You might be right about the Bills, but until they actually get to a SB it's hard for me to classify them as great. And would they have been as good playing in a conference with the Brady Patriots, Roethlesberger Steelers, and solid groups in Houston and Baltimore? Probably a playoff team, but I doubt as dominant - I would've loved to have seen some BUF-NE games then, however.

[Sixersftw]

The NFL is so bad right now, really pathetic. This is a good Eagles team that looks great because there really are no great teams any more in either conference. Not sure I've ever seen a time where there are literally no great teams, and not a whole lot of good ones, for that matter. I mean, a mediocre at best Giants team is probably the 5th or 6th best team right now.

I think the Bills are a flat out great team but otherwise I agree. We've reached real parity and it kinda sucks.

You might be right about the Bills, but until they actually get to a SB it's hard for me to classify them as great. And would they have been as good playing in a conference with the Brady Patriots, Roethlesberger Steelers, and solid groups in Houston and Baltimore? Probably a playoff team, but I doubt as dominant - I would've loved to have seen some BUF-NE games then, however.

I think they could hang. Remember, as dominant as those Brady teams were, they got to play in a putrid AFC east. As NFC East fans, we know all too well what an advantage a soft division is. I'd venture to say that if Tua wasn't the poster boy for the NFL's concussion problems, the Bills would be currently playing in the most competitive AFC East in years. AFC North is always a bloodbath.

[Sixerscan]

The NFL is so bad right now, really pathetic. This is a good Eagles team that looks great because there really are no great teams any more in either conference. Not sure I've ever seen a time where there are literally no great teams, and not a whole lot of good ones, for that matter. I mean, a mediocre at best Giants team is probably the 5th or 6th best team right now.

I think the Bills are a flat out great team but otherwise I agree. We've reached real parity and it kinda sucks.

I was thinking of teams that could legitimately have competed 5-10 years ago, and the only two that came to mind were BUF and KC.

The Chiefs have underachieved big time given the talent they have had along with a generational QB. He should have three rings there with what he has had to work with, but in true Reid fashion they have minimized the talent gap they have with one ring, which was handed to them by Shanahan, whose stock in trade is out-Reiding Reid in big spots.

You might be right about the Bills, but until they actually get to a SB it's hard for me to classify them as great. And would they have been as good playing in a conference with the Brady Patriots, Roethlesberger Steelers, and solid groups in Houston and Baltimore? Probably a playoff team, but I doubt as dominant - I would've loved to have seen some BUF-NE games then, however.

Idk, for example this thread was started 5 years ago and the teams that lost in the championship games that year were QBed by Case Keenum and Blake Bortles. There are ebbs and flows.

[mjkvol]

I think the Bills are a flat out great team but otherwise I agree. We've reached real parity and it kinda sucks.

I was thinking of teams that could legitimately have competed 5-10 years ago, and the only two that came to mind were BUF and KC.

The Chiefs have underachieved big time given the talent they have had along with a generational QB. He should have three rings there with what he has had to work with, but in true Reid fashion they have minimized the talent gap they have with one ring, which was handed to them by Shanahan, whose stock in trade is out-Reiding Reid in big spots.

You might be right about the Bills, but until they actually get to a SB it's hard for me to classify them as great. And would they have been as good playing in a conference with the Brady Patriots, Roethlesberger Steelers, and solid groups in Houston and Baltimore? Probably a playoff team, but I doubt as dominant - I would've loved to have seen some BUF-NE games then, however.

Idk, for example this thread was started 5 years ago and the teams that lost in the championship games that year were QBed by Case Keenum and Blake Bortles. There are ebbs and flows.

I get that every league in every sport has ebbs and flows, but in 50 years of watching the NFL I don't ever remember a time as bereft of quality teams as right now.

Seriously, the Giants are a top 6-7 team, and that group has 5-12 written all over it.

[Sixerscan]

I was thinking of teams that could legitimately have competed 5-10 years ago, and the only two that came to mind were BUF and KC.

The Chiefs have underachieved big time given the talent they have had along with a generational QB. He should have three rings there with what he has had to work with, but in true Reid fashion they have minimized the talent gap they have with one ring, which was handed to them by Shanahan, whose stock in trade is out-Reiding Reid in big spots.

You might be right about the Bills, but until they actually get to a SB it's hard for me to classify them as great. And would they have been as good playing in a conference with the Brady Patriots, Roethlesberger Steelers, and solid groups in Houston and Baltimore? Probably a playoff team, but I doubt as dominant - I would've loved to have seen some BUF-NE games then, however.

Idk, for example this thread was started 5 years ago and the teams that lost in the championship games that year were QBed by Case Keenum and Blake Bortles. There are ebbs and flows.

I get that every league in every sport has ebbs and flows, but in 50 years of watching the NFL I don't ever remember a time as bereft of quality teams as right now.

Seriously, the Giants are a top 6-7 team, and that group has 5-12 written all over it.

They’ve eked out some close games, for what it’s worth most models still have them as a below average team. Theyve banked the wins though and still have some easy games on their schedule though so they may win enough to get in. Not sure if we’ll be taking them to win a playoff game. Lot of football left.

I do think we’re seeing a swing back to the running game being more important though. They have a solid line and an elite running back. As long as defenses are obsessed with these shell concepts to take away big plays there are opportunities to run the ball, as the eagles discovered last year.

[Jailblazers7]

I think the offensive struggles across the league are because 1) we’re in a QB transition period and 2) defenses have caught up to the modern game. It probably took 5 years for the talent pipeline of defensive players to adjust to super pass heavy schemes and now there’s parity between the two side of the ball.

[Negrodamus]

I was thinking of teams that could legitimately have competed 5-10 years ago, and the only two that came to mind were BUF and KC.

The Chiefs have underachieved big time given the talent they have had along with a generational QB. He should have three rings there with what he has had to work with, but in true Reid fashion they have minimized the talent gap they have with one ring, which was handed to them by Shanahan, whose stock in trade is out-Reiding Reid in big spots.

You might be right about the Bills, but until they actually get to a SB it's hard for me to classify them as great. And would they have been as good playing in a conference with the Brady Patriots, Roethlesberger Steelers, and solid groups in Houston and Baltimore? Probably a playoff team, but I doubt as dominant - I would've loved to have seen some BUF-NE games then, however.

Idk, for example this thread was started 5 years ago and the teams that lost in the championship games that year were QBed by Case Keenum and Blake Bortles. There are ebbs and flows.

I get that every league in every sport has ebbs and flows, but in 50 years of watching the NFL I don't ever remember a time as bereft of quality teams as right now.

Seriously, the Giants are a top 6-7 team, and that group has 5-12 written all over it.

I'd say based on my fantasy football team, it's because it's becoming increasingly more dangerous of a game. Every one of my running backs are out for an extended period of time. I know it's an unpopular opinion among football fans, but the fact of the matter is 340lb linemen are running sub 4.8 40s and are killing sub 220lb players.

I used to be a massive follower of the Eagles until a few years ago because it struggled to keep my interest, unfortunately. New players were being rotated in constantly and there was no continuity like in the 2000s. I can name like 30 players from the TO/McNabb years without looking right now; that version of the NFL is over.

[Sixersftw]

I think the offensive struggles across the league are because 1) we’re in a QB transition period and 2) defenses have caught up to the modern game. It probably took 5 years for the talent pipeline of defensive players to adjust to super pass heavy schemes and now there’s parity between the two side of the ball.

Absolutely nailed it. For QBs we have 3 elite QBs; young rising QBs in Burrow, Hurts, Herbert; 2 old GOATS; whatever the **** Dak is and then the rest. Its just a flux period.

Point two is even more salient. Mahommes, Brady, Breese and the boys were absolutely shredding outdated coverages. Good defenses now have multiple fronts, play split coverage so much more, disguise coverage and, more than anything else, do not allow the big plays. They will allow you to dink and dunk your way to victory and hope you make a mistake.

One thing I will add is we also have just a dearth of quality offensive lineman. But, who care because that doesn't affect the Eagles as long as Stout is living.

[mjkvol]

I used to be a massive follower of the Eagles until a few years ago because it struggled to keep my interest, unfortunately. New players were being rotated in constantly and there was no continuity like in the 2000s. I can name like 30 players from the TO/McNabb years without looking right now; that version of the NFL is over.

I'm the same way, and have become a much bigger fan of the college game over the last decade. The game has a much better flow than the NFL because they allow them to play as opposed to the constant stoppages and the endless reviews. Also, the influx of a lot of great young offensive minds has led to a much more fun product with creative offensive schemes and a lot of big plays. Almost the opposite as we see in the NFL right now.

[Embiid P]

I think a huge part of why the game is so different now as opposed to 15-20 years ago is because of the rule changes which catered to offenses particularly QBs as the league is much more pass happy as a whole. As long as you have your franchise QB (i.e. Brady or Rodgers) in tact for 10-15 years, most other positions are replaceable every few years particularly RBs and WRs many of which (including the best of the bunch) leave for another team once their rookie contracts are up due to the hard cap. Because of this constant revolving door of players, it makes it harder for fans to cozy up to them than it was in the past.

[Sixerscan]

Idk, for example this thread was started 5 years ago and the teams that lost in the championship games that year were QBed by Case Keenum and Blake Bortles. There are ebbs and flows.

I get that every league in every sport has ebbs and flows, but in 50 years of watching the NFL I don't ever remember a time as bereft of quality teams as right now.

Seriously, the Giants are a top 6-7 team, and that group has 5-12 written all over it.

I'd say based on my fantasy football team, it's because it's becoming increasingly more dangerous of a game. Every one of my running backs are out for an extended period of time. I know it's an unpopular opinion among football fans, but the fact of the matter is 340lb linemen are running sub 4.8 40s and are killing sub 220lb players.

I used to be a massive follower of the Eagles until a few years ago because it struggled to keep my interest, unfortunately. New players were being rotated in constantly and there was no continuity like in the 2000s. I can name like 30 players from the TO/McNabb years without looking right now; that version of the NFL is over.

Not that this should necessarily change your opinion, but Kelce, Graham and Cox if they don’t get injured could all be top ~6 in games played in franchise history by the end of this season, with a chance to set the record if any of them come back next year. It’s also Lane Johnson’s 10th year with the team. They have guys that have been around for a long time at this point.

[mjkvol]

I think a huge part of why the game is so different now as opposed to 15-20 years ago is because of the rule changes which catered to offenses particularly QBs as the league is much more pass happy as a whole. As long as you have your franchise QB (i.e. Brady or Rodgers) in tact for 10-15 years, most other positions are replaceable every few years particularly RBs and WRs many of which (including the best of the bunch) leave for another team once their rookie contracts are up due to the hard cap. Because of this constant revolving door of players, it makes it harder for fans to cozy up to them than it was in the past.

Not only that, but free agency negatively affects football like no other sport. It takes years for an offensive line or a defense playing together in a scheme to generate the kind of precision that produces good, well played football, but with all the player movement that is just not possible. It's great for the players but bad for the quality of the product, and leads to mediocre parity, which is what we have now.

I used to refer the NFL games as an overlitigated mess with big plays thrown in here and there. It's the same now, but without as many big plays any more.

[GoSixersBro]

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[Sixteen]

Giants it is. A good ole NY vs Philly showdown @ the linc

[Sixersftw]

Giants it is. A good ole NY vs Philly showdown @ the linc

*loud Boston Scott noises.

[76thBearCub]

Picked a good year to nab that 1 seed

[Da Doctor]

Idk about everyone else, but I hated the Giants more than Dallas growing up in the Andy Reid years. They were always the tougher game (not to mention they actually won something).

[Sixersftw]

Idk about everyone else, but I hated the Giants more than Dallas growing up in the Andy Reid years. They were always the tougher game (not to mention they actually won something).

I still hate Boys guts but Giants out rank them for me too. The Cowboys have been pathetic for nearly 30 years, I just can't care.