2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 - Merged

[Leslie Forman]

Michael Porter Jr. = farts everywhere 24/7. Is that really what you want? I don't think so.

[MisterRoy]

I think it comes down to all the hype surrounding Porter before the injury, dude gets hurt and no team is 100% confident in what he can or can't do but they are afraid they are going to miss out on a stud if they pass. I say go with what you know. Don't draft Porter. Let someone else take the chance.

See, easy. (hehe)


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[sco]

I don't care about Porter's age (btw, he'll be 20 by the time he's drafted and signed in a month.) I care about the fact that he really hasn't changed much as a player since his junior year of high school. And he hasn't played since two season ago and he's coming off back surgery and trying to jump two levels from high school to the NBA and he's never even played in U19, only U17 AAU competition.

Also, he's a raw vegan.

Ew.

Would you have preferred he indulged in Big Mac and Dominos? SMH!

You can have unhealthy raw vegan diets (i.e. not enough protein/calcium) - which, IMO could be problematic if we are worried about his back durability. Also, many people go raw vegan because to combat physical ailments of one form or another, again depending on his "why", I might be more or less concerned.

[RememberLu]

Also, he's a raw vegan.

Ew.

Would you have preferred he indulged in Big Mac and Dominos? SMH!

You can have unhealthy raw vegan diets (i.e. not enough protein/calcium) - which, IMO could be problematic if we are worried about his back durability. Also, many people go raw vegan because to combat physical ailments of one form or another, again depending on his "why", I might be more or less concerned.

he mentioned he'll hire a private chef after he's drafted, so that's encouraging. But again, if the diet is based on quackery and he hires a quack chef that only enables him, then that's counterproductive. I'm suspicious of veganism in general because, like you said, it's easy to do it wrong and to end up being less healthy. In general I believe humans need meat, we evolved to eat meat, and at least a little of it is good for us. I'd be happier if he ate fish twice a week, at least, or something. Fish, chicken....and cook the chicken please

[islanders11040]

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I honestly would not be surprised if he ends up being the best big from this draft

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[johnnyvann840]

Michael Porter Jr. = farts everywhere 24/7. Is that really what you want? I don't think so.

That's a raw vegan who drinks a lot of sparkling water. lol/

[Truebiscuit]

I am calling Porter "Schrödinger's cat" he is simultaneously a generational talent and a bust.

I happen to believe that Porter has a higher floor than people think. To me, his floor is Tobias Harris who is definitely not a bust. His ceiling is somewhere between McGrady and Durant. The only thing that can stop him from being a productive player is if his back starts acting up.

Yeah exactly, that last sentence is the most important part and the most important thing about Porter as a prospect. His 'floor' is rock bottom because he could conceivably have an injury plagued career and struggle to stay on the court. Think Derrick Rose post-2012 or Kevin White for the Bears. So in reality, talent aside, his floor is at sea level.

Ugh. Come on bro, I'm in off-season mode for football I don't want to be reading that dude's name here

[Habs72]

I don't care about Porter's age (btw, he'll be 20 by the time he's drafted and signed in a month.) I care about the fact that he really hasn't changed much as a player since his junior year of high school. And he hasn't played since two season ago and he's coming off back surgery and trying to jump two levels from high school to the NBA and he's never even played in U19, only U17 AAU competition.

Also, he's a raw vegan.

Ew.

The bigger question this raises is how is Jontay so fluffy if the Porters are vegetarian?

Actually, vegan can get fat too...they can eat chips for example .

[RememberLu]

I happen to believe that Porter has a higher floor than people think. To me, his floor is Tobias Harris who is definitely not a bust. His ceiling is somewhere between McGrady and Durant. The only thing that can stop him from being a productive player is if his back starts acting up.

Yeah exactly, that last sentence is the most important part and the most important thing about Porter as a prospect. His 'floor' is rock bottom because he could conceivably have an injury plagued career and struggle to stay on the court. Think Derrick Rose post-2012 or Kevin White for the Bears. So in reality, talent aside, his floor is at sea level.

Ugh. Come on bro, I'm in off-season mode for football I don't want to be reading that dude's name here

He's on my mind because he just got done giving a curt, awkward interview with Adam Jahns. Not sure why the media bothers asking that guy any questions or why he answers them.

[ChettheJet]

I don't care about Porter's age (btw, he'll be 20 by the time he's drafted and signed in a month.) I care about the fact that he really hasn't changed much as a player since his junior year of high school. And he hasn't played since two season ago and he's coming off back surgery and trying to jump two levels from high school to the NBA and he's never even played in U19, only U17 AAU competition.

That's my hangup with Porter. Every player has potential, you don' know if a guy was held back from being a big producer by the coach not playing him heavy minutes or the system. When everybody sees so much upside in Porter I keep seeing Tyrus Thomas. Tyrus didn't play many games in college but even the Bulls fell in love with his athleticism, his physique, strength, how he could jump and his upside to develop. All that but he wasn't a very good basketball player and when you come down to it this isn't American Ninja it's basketball. Maybe a guy doesn't have the absolute speed, maybe his vertical isn't exceptional, maybe he doesn't do the agility drills great but when he's on the court and there's a basketball involved he knows where to run to, he gets down the lane to put the ball in the basket, he sees his teammate cutting to the basket and can pass it to him.

I've seen drafts that have the Bulls seeing Bamba, Carter, Bridges being there at #7, I think I'd be happy with any of them. I think I'd like them to have trade partners who want a specific guy and if he's there and their offer makes sense the bulls should be ready to trade down. More than that I hope they talk to teams that are willing to trade down so the Bulls have a chance to move up from 22

[NecessaryEvil]

T-Mac co signed MPJ as phenomenal talent. Said he reminds him of himself. That's all you need to know. This Porter knocking is getting bad.

[Chi town]

So given what we know from the news...

What will Pax actually do?

1. I dont' think he will trade up because he doesn't want to take a bad contract on and we know he worships 1st round picks.

*** If he does trade up and its to get Bagley I will be down one tv in the house***

2. Sits at 7 and drafts who falls. I think his order would be... MPJ, Bamba, Carter, Bridges

*** I think it should be Bridges Carter Bamba MPJ***

[the_future420]

I don't care about Porter's age (btw, he'll be 20 by the time he's drafted and signed in a month.) I care about the fact that he really hasn't changed much as a player since his junior year of high school. And he hasn't played since two season ago and he's coming off back surgery and trying to jump two levels from high school to the NBA and he's never even played in U19, only U17 AAU competition.

Also, he's a raw vegan.

Ew.

The raw vegan thing is a + in my book for Porter. I've firsthand seen people who were raw vegans that looked amazing at very old ages in stark contrast to other people in their own families with similar genetics. At the very least, it shows he has a level of self-control and restraint that is not typical of a 19 year old. I'll leave the speculation as to its effectiveness to others, but nutrition has historically been a field that is up for interpretation and in my opinion several varying different types of diets can be good or bad depending on exactly what you consume. You could be a healthy vegan with a balanced diet and proper protein/mineral intake or an unhealthy vegan if you eat only chips and fries. The same can be said of a person who eats a lot of meat. I like the fact that at a young age he is proactively thinking about his health.

[NecessaryEvil]

So given what we know from the news...

What will Pax actually do?

1. I dont' think he will trade up because he doesn't want to take a bad contract on and we know he worships 1st round picks.

*** If he does trade up and its to get Bagley I will be down one tv in the house***

2. Sits at 7 and drafts who falls. I think his order would be... MPJ, Bamba, Carter, Bridges

*** I think it should be Bridges Carter Bamba MPJ***

Call me crazy but I think he may try to trade up for Bamba

[Red Larrivee]

T-Mac co signed MPJ as phenomenal talent. Said he reminds him of himself. That's all you need to know. This Porter knocking is getting bad.

That really doesn't mean anything.

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[NecessaryEvil]

T-Mac co signed MPJ as phenomenal talent. Said he reminds hilm of himself. That's all you need to know. This Porter knocking is getting bad.

That really doesn't mean anything.

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Ur right. Never mind. Disregard a co sign from a legendary ball player.

Someone delete my post pls

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

That core is vomit worthy. And I like Kris Dunn. I just think Porter and Lavine are too redundant and neither will be good PnR defenders. I've never seen Porter in all the footage I've watched get down low in a stance and move his hips. Never seen him switch effectively on to another player even. His only defensive trait that looks like it might translate well is he has great straight line speed and hops so he gets a lot of chase down blocks. Lavine doesn't recognize what an offense is doing. He's too slow thinking and after four seasons he still hasn't "figured it out" so what makes anyone think it will be different going forward.

I think a team of that core is hopeless. You are counting on a guy coming into his 5th NBA season to learn a basic defensive principle that is mostly "instinct based" in the first place. Also, counting on a draft pick who has never shown that skill to just pick it up after jumping two levels in talent and experience. I would rather go get Luka.

And your acting like a 19 year old rookie can not get better. Smh. Enough of the these kids are finished projects.

I don't care about Porter's age (btw, he'll be 20 by the time he's drafted and signed in a month.) I care about the fact that he really hasn't changed much as a player since his junior year of high school. And he hasn't played since two season ago and he's coming off back surgery and trying to jump two levels from high school to the NBA and he's never even played in U19, only U17 AAU competition.

“Hasn’t played since two seasons ago” — help me out with that one, I don’t follow.

[Axolotl]

T-Mac co signed MPJ as phenomenal talent. Said he reminds him of himself. That's all you need to know. This Porter knocking is getting bad.

I watched a lot of old Porter tapes at some point, and his talent is obvious. There were some obvious problems too, but those tapes are from way back in time.

One of the gripes I had/have is his stance: it's too high, and thus his center of gravity is too high. But if I have understood correctly, his back had been troubling him for quite some time before he had to go under the knife. That may well have caused him not to go to an adequate stance. If you look at those tapes, his back does look stiff.

So what if he has missed a season, and needs to take two steps up? His talent has not gone anywhere, and The Bulls are not in a hurry.

His back surgery, the microdiscectomy, means taking some bone matter from his spine to relieve pressure on the nerve root. Success rate to said surgery is high and complications are rare, but not all microdiscectomies are the same. It depends on how much bone matter has been removed, and from where. This information will and must be presented to the team doctors.

It is also possible, that the surgery doesn't have the desired effect on the nerve pain. This is impossible to measure, and one has to rely on eye test on the workouts to assess if his movement or something else signals pain. I doubt that he'll say he is hurting.

[Indomitable]

T-Mac co signed MPJ as phenomenal talent. Said he reminds him of himself. That's all you need to know. This Porter knocking is getting bad.

That really doesn't mean anything.

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Exactly the guy had backsurgery and it should be a concern.
He has not faced competiton in a year.
He has no real experience outside High School.

[gobullschi]

I don't care about Porter's age (btw, he'll be 20 by the time he's drafted and signed in a month.) I care about the fact that he really hasn't changed much as a player since his junior year of high school. And he hasn't played since two season ago and he's coming off back surgery and trying to jump two levels from high school to the NBA and he's never even played in U19, only U17 AAU competition.

That's my hangup with Porter. Every player has potential, you don' know if a guy was held back from being a big producer by the coach not playing him heavy minutes or the system. When everybody sees so much upside in Porter I keep seeing Tyrus Thomas. Tyrus didn't play many games in college but even the Bulls fell in love with his athleticism, his physique, strength, how he could jump and his upside to develop. All that but he wasn't a very good basketball player and when you come down to it this isn't American Ninja it's basketball. Maybe a guy doesn't have the absolute speed, maybe his vertical isn't exceptional, maybe he doesn't do the agility drills great but when he's on the court and there's a basketball involved he knows where to run to, he gets down the lane to put the ball in the basket, he sees his teammate cutting to the basket and can pass it to him.

I've seen drafts that have the Bulls seeing Bamba, Carter, Bridges being there at #7, I think I'd be happy with any of them. I think I'd like them to have trade partners who want a specific guy and if he's there and their offer makes sense the bulls should be ready to trade down. More than that I hope they talk to teams that are willing to trade down so the Bulls have a chance to move up from 22

Michael Porter Jr. Is nothing like Tyrus Thomas. Tyrus Thomas was a freak athlete with insane measureables. If anything Mo Bamba is like Tyrus Thomas.

Michael Porter Jr. has a high skill level with solid athleticism. The 2 big questions with him are his health and confirming the talent wasnt just there against HS kids.

The most important factor with all prospects is their desire to get better. It is why I have faith in LaVine. He genuinely wants to be the best. Having athleticism and skill is important but if there is a prospect willing to work harder than anyone else with athleticism and skill you select that guy. Tyrus Thomas did not have that desire which is why he flopped. I dont know where Porters heads at.