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DirtyDez wrote:What’s the highest we can jump again? Ik it used to be top-3 but the Lakers went from 11 to 4 last year didn’t they?
Walt_Uoob wrote:I've been looking around for who could be those guys in this draft who get taken outside the top several picks but end up being the best in the class, like Giannis/Gobert/Adams/McCollum in 2013. Toppin and Halliburton, maybe Riller, seem like strong candidates because their weaknesses are getting a lot of attention and teams might overthink it and pass on them.
But the Stepien just put up a pretty glowing scouting report on Carlos Alocén (https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/29/carlos-alocen-scouting-report/). I'd never heard of him and don't see him on any mocks, but he sounds and looks like a prospect who could surpass lots of the people expected to be drafted in the lottery. Tall playmaking PG with vision, creative handle, and lots of change-of-pace moves. Solid defender. Biggest knock on him is his shooting percentages but they really like his form so could see the shooting improve a lot. I see a tiny bit of Nash in the way he likes to poke and prod and manipulate the defense until a cutter or a driving lane opens up.
AND he's from Spain and is the son of a former pro player. Could be the perfect guy to learn from Rubio and Booker and end up being a Rubio-like player with better shooting and scoring ability, which would be a tremendous player!
Anyone heard of this guy? Is he on your radar, Ghost?
Edit: here's a highlight reel:
Another edit: here's a discussion of Alocén started by Fischella putting him in his top 20: viewtopic.php?p=81986235#p81986235 . Seen as a draft-and-stash guy, which could be great too considering this is such an iffy draft.
He's a really solid " under the radar prospect with very good potential. I had some hope that whenst Jones traveled to Italy on his scouting trip right before the All star break, That it wouldn't just be to scout Mirotic for a possible comeback. But to also be scouting a couple high end prospects such as Alocen, Pokuveski, Amyr Sylla ( Saikim 2.0)Leandro Bolmero, Marko Simonovic, Borisa Simanic. But yes, Alocen has tremendous potential. He's got a bit of Dragic/ Rudy Fernandez to his game. I really wouldn't mind taking a flier on a combo of Alocen/ Pokusevski OR Alocen/ Sylla, or Riller/ Toppin, Or Riller/ Pokusevski. IF we were to trade back, Or If we were to acquire a 2nd round pick or two for depth, And let them develop properly. As Fish said, We really should be taking some chances on some cheap talent, That may have elite potential. Strengths:
-Solid size for a 15-year-old combo guard prospect at 6' 4”. May still be growing (just turned 15 on December 30. -Fluid with fairly long strides. -Very creative passer. Whips the ball around the floor with excellent timing. Moves it ahead in transition. Throws one-handed bullet passes. Impressive vision. Comfortable as a primary playmaker. -Has some wiggle with the ball. Uses sweeping crossovers to beat his man. Not the tightest handle but is quite advanced for his age. Good timing attacking closeouts. -Tries to mix in floaters around the rim. -Can make a spot up three. Not the quickest release but fairly sound mechanically.
Weaknesses: -
Very thin. Doesn't have a great frame. Average length. -More fluid than explosive. Not overly quick with the ball. Average vertical explosiveness. -Can be a bit wild with the ball. More flash than substance at times. -Inconsistent shooter at this stage. Doesn't always get great rotation. A bit slow getting into his jumper. Doesn't look to pull up off the bounce all that often. -Has a tendency to shy away from contact around the rim. Thin frame limits his ability to finish through contact. -Doesn't have a ton of potential on defense. Gets overpowered by stronger guards. A bit upright in his stance.
Outlook:
Alocen isn't the most physically gifted prospect but he's creative with the ball, shows impressive vision on the move and has some potential as a shooter. He plays with flare and confidence, and it's easy to envision him developing into a facilitating lead guard in time. Continuing to work on his frame while becoming a better shooter and defender will help Alocen maximize his potential moving forward. Read full artic - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Carlos-Alocen-88330/ ©DraftExpress
Why's that? Cam Johnson was a solid pick.Blonde wrote:I’d rather not jump into the top 4 and spend an extra couple million on a future bust. I don’t have any sort of faith that Jones can identify a star out of this mess of a draft class. And if we did jump up I pray we trade it.
sunsbum wrote:What do you all think about tyler bey as a 4 and would his skill set fit in with ayton offensively? It looks like he occupies the paint quite a bit but his 3pt shooting % has potential.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:sunsbum wrote:What do you all think about tyler bey as a 4 and would his skill set fit in with ayton offensively? It looks like he occupies the paint quite a bit but his 3pt shooting % has potential.
Tyler Bey is a Marion hybrid 2.0. He'd be a really solid small ball 4, As he's an ELITE defender and an ELITE rebounder as well. He's got quick twitch athleticism and is also a high level rim protector for his size. But he's not a very good scorer. And has virtually no iso skills, So he'll be needing someone to create offense for him. But he'd ultimately be a great high speed defender for us at the 4. And can hit the three at a good level. He's a stat stuffing dynamo.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/tyler-bey
https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/23/tyler-bey-scouting-report/.
So he wouldn't be my first choice at the 4, However, He'd be a really solid replacement for Oubre, Should we look to move him in a deal for a Markannen or a Gordon perhaps. He'd excel in an uptempo scheme I believe.
bwgood77 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:sunsbum wrote:What do you all think about tyler bey as a 4 and would his skill set fit in with ayton offensively? It looks like he occupies the paint quite a bit but his 3pt shooting % has potential.
Tyler Bey is a Marion hybrid 2.0. He'd be a really solid small ball 4, As he's an ELITE defender and an ELITE rebounder as well. He's got quick twitch athleticism and is also a high level rim protector for his size. But he's not a very good scorer. And has virtually no iso skills, So he'll be needing someone to create offense for him. But he'd ultimately be a great high speed defender for us at the 4. And can hit the three at a good level. He's a stat stuffing dynamo.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/tyler-bey
https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/23/tyler-bey-scouting-report/.
So he wouldn't be my first choice at the 4, However, He'd be a really solid replacement for Oubre, Should we look to move him in a deal for a Markannen or a Gordon perhaps. He'd excel in an uptempo scheme I believe.
Tyler Bey's shooting is still kind of a question mark. He's made 13 3s this year at 43%, but only made 5 in the previous 2 years 22%. Just hasn't been a shooter. So with volume I don't have any idea if he'd hit them, especially at NBA range. He would likely be another guy that wold always want to take it to the rim. He doesn't pass much either.
A guy like Toppin shoots a lot more 3s. And he shot some as a freshman...11 for 21 for over 52%...but this year fairly high volume at 39%. Moves the ball a little more too. I know I shouldn't compare them since Toppin is a top rated prospect and Bey is pegged more as a late first or second round guy, but I think we need willing shooters...but also versatility.
sunsbg wrote:Porzingis and Ayton would have been such a great fit, so if this Pokusevski guy is anything alike, you take him.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:sunsbg wrote:Porzingis and Ayton would have been such a great fit, so if this Pokusevski guy is anything alike, you take him.
Here's there comparison chart:
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=aleksej-pokusevski--kristaps-porzingis
Now Pokuveski definitely needs to add more strength and also work on his scoring efficiency too. But he's still got Elite potential in multiple areas. And is a good shooter with advanced ball handling skills and is also a high level rim protector too.
https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/24/aleksej-pokusevski-scouting-report/