With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[PhilBlackson]

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[Mikistan]

Scotty Bons climbing the Kelvin scale!

Scotty Bons with the heat check!

Scotty Bons on fire!!!

That's a Photoshop right

[bboyskinnylegs]

That's a Photoshop right

I just use the Preview app on my Mac

[SFour]

I was a hater on draft night but now I'm going to support Barnes 100%.....I don't like the people that will hate on him all season long just for the chance to say "I told you so"

I've noticed some posters in here saying that he's going to be a bust but in my opinion at worst he'll be another OG......at best he'll be OG 2.0 with better allstar potential due to his ballhandling/playmaking ....I don't get the Giannis comparisons.

[Mehar]

Funny to read in this thread how some posters said Suggs was undersized, despite being 6 foot 4 without shoes. However, they have no problem with 5 foot 11 Flynn and 6 foot FVV running the point (lol). I would have drafted Suggs, and packaged Flynn and Boucher to grab another mid to late first rounder to address another need. However, I am not Masai, and only a GM in my head. In the end, what is done is done. I respect his decision. I am rooting for Scottie Barnes, and also Suggs to do well in Orlando. I hope this team let's Barnes play through his mistakes. Let him run the Point Guard duties which he prefers. Give him 20-25 minutes. As much as I like Suggs, Barnes will not be a total bust. I always liked his defense and energy in the games I watched him. At worse, he can be a PJ Tucker guy on a championship team. Every team can use exceptional defenders like that.

Suggs would be lucky to even accomplish what FVV has accomplished in his short NBA career. A G league and NBA title, while becoming a starter on an NBA roster, and securing over 100 million dollars of guaranteed money from the Raptors. All this being undrafted, without hype/clout, and actually having to grind to earn everything he has accomplished in the NBA. Put some respect on FFV name. Back to our front office. So they should pass up on a prospect like Scottie because they have FVV running the point ? Incompetent franchise draft for positions over the best available talent/prospect.

I agree. Incompetent franchises draft for positions over the best prospect. Right now, Suggs is the better prospect and talent, having watched and followed both Barnes and Suggs all year. The majority of reputable NBA writers believe that also. Maybe in 3-4 years that is different. Go back and read what I said- I am not bashing FVV. I said I would have drafted Suggs, and tried to package both Flynn/Boucher for another mid to late first rounder, to address another need in the draft. Another poster had stated that Suggs was undersized. I found it comical to say a guy who was 6 foot 4 without shoes (6 foot 5 in shoes) like Suggs was undersized. Suggs is a natural point guard and not shooting guard, having watched him all year. He would be 4-5 inches taller than FVV and Flynn. That was my point in addressing the belief that Suggs is undersized.

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How old are you ? You're being very emotional. Suggs couldn't even probably beat 35 year old Chris Paul down the court, east to west. He won't wake up and all of a sudden have this magical Derrick Rose (in his prime) athletic ability. These are nonsense ESPN talking points. You acknowledge many guys like Barnes never panned out, but won't acknowledge the same for many undersized/unathletic SG like Suggs as well ? Why ? Because ESPN told you he'd be a sure star in the NBA ? Your mind has been manipulated. I won't feel bad if Suggs ends up better, because Webster and Ujiri made a calculated decision. Their decisions was made based on research, facts, analytics, etc, not emotions. Barnes literally has every tools available for him to succeed, including physically. The ball is in his court.

Well your obviously a little to emotional on your response to that question....Im not saying Barnes is going to be a Bust....Im simply asking the question cause there is a possibility of that actually happening considering Barnes offensive game is behind and lacking even compared to a Suggs who is clearly the better offensive player between the 2....

The way the NBA is offense means so much more to a players development to being a legit star and atm Suggs is More polished as a player than Barnes is on offense....Doesn't mean Barnes can't get there but imo there is more a chance Barnes becomes a Bust than Suggs becoming a bust ....

Thats why i pose the question because there is a chance Barnes offense never develops to become a legit factor in the NBA....And if you think Barnes is a better offensive player than Suggs right now than idk what to tell you besides your just biased...

I am going off what i seen so far and the risk is way higher with Barnes but ofc since hes a Raptor i hope to god he becomes Giannis 2,0 im just saying if he doesn't ever develop on the offensive end i will be pissed off if Suggs becomes a legit All star in the League

While you need offensive talent without a doubt, basketball is an athletic game. Unless you're a lethal scorer, which Suggs isn't, an athletic freak like Scottie can have more of an impact. A guy like Giannis (not comparing the two) can score 0 points and still dominate the game with his rebounding and defense. The narrative that Suggs is some Allen Iverson on the offensive end is comical. Is he a lethal shooter ? no. Is he an amazing athlete with a quick first step ? no. Can he play above the rim ? no. Does he have some Kyrie Irving crafty handles ? no. You think a 6'4, unathletic guard will lock down perimeter guards in the NBA ? Guys like Trae Young, Khris, Lillard, Irving, etc will eat him up alive on the offensive end. Look, whether you want to believe it or not, I feel Suggs is more of a project. His athleticism, or lack of it, will hold him back greatly. Basketball is simply an athletic game, and the NBA has athletic freaks in the league, especially at Suggs position.

I mean Tyler Hansborough, was a dominant and more complete college player, than most college players at his position. Perhaps the Clippers should have picked him over Blake ? Or OKC should have picked Tyler over Harden ? Or we should have picked Derozan over Tyler ?

Suggs is very athletic. He's an excellent defender and passer and has great size at his position. This is coping at its finest.

[Mehar]

Funny to read in this thread how some posters said Suggs was undersized, despite being 6 foot 4 without shoes. However, they have no problem with 5 foot 11 Flynn and 6 foot FVV running the point (lol). I would have drafted Suggs, and packaged Flynn and Boucher to grab another mid to late first rounder to address another need. However, I am not Masai, and only a GM in my head. In the end, what is done is done. I respect his decision. I am rooting for Scottie Barnes, and also Suggs to do well in Orlando. I hope this team let's Barnes play through his mistakes. Let him run the Point Guard duties which he prefers. Give him 20-25 minutes. As much as I like Suggs, Barnes will not be a total bust. I always liked his defense and energy in the games I watched him. At worse, he can be a PJ Tucker guy on a championship team. Every team can use exceptional defenders like that.

I feel Suggs is undersized because in my eyes he’s actually more of a SG guard and will have trouble scoring at that height.

Suggs is a natural point guard having watched him all year at Gonzaga. He can play the 2 since he would not even be that small for the position. He is 6 foot 4 without shoes and 210 pounds. Norman Powell who Raptor fans loved, is 6 foot 3 without shoes.

Suggs is the same height as CJ McCollum in Portland, and a couple of inches taller than a guy like Bradley Beal. Suggs can be a combo guard, but he is a natural point guard, 4-5 inches taller than 6 foot FVV, and 5 foot 11 Flynn. Hope Barnes can get major minutes now, starting alongside FVV handling the point guard duties.

[DG88]

We shouldn't try to put another prospect down because we drafted Scottie Barnes. Both Suggs and Barnes have worked hard to get to this moment. Each has a set of strengths and weaknesses. Our FO believed in Barnes potential compared to Suggs. There's a chance that Suggs becomes a great player and makes our FO look stupid, and the opposite can be true or both turn into great players that work within the framework of their individual teams. Either way let's focus on our pick Scottie Barnes and support his growth. Let's see where he goes in the next couple of years.

[DreamTeam09]

2yrs ago Barnes was better than Suggs.
Last year to now Suggs is better than Barnes.

It's not far fetched to see Barnes becoming better again.

Like even if you're team suggs, you gotta understand why Barnes was selected, and it's not like Barnes wasn't mocked high all the way thru.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Suggs is a great athlete, but when it comes to basketball Scottie's taller and wider than T-Mac. He's a next level prospect in this sport.

[NotMyKawhi]

I was a hater on draft night but now I'm going to support Barnes 100%.....I don't like the people that will hate on him all season long just for the chance to say "I told you so"

I've noticed some posters in here saying that he's going to be a bust but in my opinion at worst he'll be another OG......at best he'll be OG 2.0 with better allstar potential due to his ballhandling/playmaking ....I don't get the Giannis comparisons.

And he plays w way more energy. The crowd will love him. I've watched from day 1, our fanbase loves guys like this. Bc he has super confidence, I don't think you'll see mental breakdowns like a Simmons w the shooting. He's not like simmons, ben is passive. low energy, doesn't seem to care much, just super talented.

Barnes, cares!

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I was a hater on draft night but now I'm going to support Barnes 100%.....I don't like the people that will hate on him all season long just for the chance to say "I told you so"

I've noticed some posters in here saying that he's going to be a bust but in my opinion at worst he'll be another OG......at best he'll be OG 2.0 with better allstar potential due to his ballhandling/playmaking ....I don't get the Giannis comparisons.

And he plays w way more energy. The crowd will love him. I've watched from day 1, our fanbase loves guys like this. Bc he has super confidence, I don't think you'll see mental breakdowns like a Simmons w the shooting. He's not like simmons, ben is passive. low energy, doesn't seem to care much, just super talented.

Barnes, cares!

I have no doubt in my mind he'll have a better career than Ben.

[NotMyKawhi]

I went over the last 10 drafts and looked at the top 4 picks in every draft. 22 players imo have shown in the league the potential to be an all-star is there. That's more than 50%. Bet on Mu we get a player on this level at the least or he failed imo

kyrie
Ad
Beal
dipo
embiid
wiggins
KP
Russell
Towns
Simmons
Ingram
Jalyn Brown
Tatum
Ball
Trae
Doncic
JJJ
Zion
Ja
RJ
lamelo
Edwards

[MixxSRC]

did he say Scotties thumbs are paralyzed?

Yup wtf is that about?

[MixxSRC]

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he tried to warn us

[Mehar]

We shouldn't try to put another prospect down because we drafted Scottie Barnes. Both Suggs and Barnes have worked hard to get to this moment. Each has a set of strengths and weaknesses. Our FO believed in Barnes potential compared to Suggs. There's a chance that Suggs becomes a great player and makes our FO look stupid, and the opposite can be true or both turn into great players that work within the framework of their individual teams. Either way let's focus on our pick Scottie Barnes and support his growth. Let's see where he goes in the next couple of years.

Well said. I have been on the Suggs train since January, but he is now in Orlando, and wish him well. Now rooting for Scottie Barnes here in Toronto. I hope Nurse lets him play through his mistakes, and has him playing along with FVV in the backcourt, where he can shine as a PG. I do not like this talk of a Small Ball 5, since Barnes is not an exceptional rebounder or rim protector. He is best suited as a PG or Point Forward.

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he tried to warn us

Scottie knows real smiles.

[Chandan]

did he say Scotties thumbs are paralyzed?

Yup wtf is that about?

Maybe he means he doesn't have feelings in his thumb pads. How does scottie use his phone if he's unable to use his thumb.

[Mikistan]

Funny to read in this thread how some posters said Suggs was undersized, despite being 6 foot 4 without shoes. However, they have no problem with 5 foot 11 Flynn and 6 foot FVV running the point (lol). I would have drafted Suggs, and packaged Flynn and Boucher to grab another mid to late first rounder to address another need. However, I am not Masai, and only a GM in my head. In the end, what is done is done. I respect his decision. I am rooting for Scottie Barnes, and also Suggs to do well in Orlando. I hope this team let's Barnes play through his mistakes. Let him run the Point Guard duties which he prefers. Give him 20-25 minutes. As much as I like Suggs, Barnes will not be a total bust. I always liked his defense and energy in the games I watched him. At worse, he can be a PJ Tucker guy on a championship team. Every team can use exceptional defenders like that.

I feel Suggs is undersized because in my eyes he’s actually more of a SG guard and will have trouble scoring at that height.

Suggs is a natural point guard having watched him all year at Gonzaga. He can play the 2 since he would not even be that small for the position. He is 6 foot 4 without shoes and 210 pounds. Norman Powell who Raptor fans loved, is 6 foot 3 without shoes.

Suggs is the same height as CJ McCollum in Portland, and a couple of inches taller than a guy like Bradley Beal. Suggs can be a combo guard, but he is a natural point guard, 4-5 inches taller than 6 foot FVV, and 5 foot 11 Flynn. Hope Barnes can get major minutes now, starting alongside FVV handling the point guard duties.

Go ahead and google what Norman Powell's wingspan was

[traps#10]

I would love for us to develop Barnes at the PG position, we would be one of those Non traditional teams (Milwaukee, Philly, Denver) that other teams hate to play against.