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Boogie! wrote:

WaltFrazier wrote:

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:I don't think its centrally coordinated. But its the culture that permeates thru the referee ranks. Like unspoken rules. Refs know that ultimately fans want to see superstars/all-stars advance deeper into the playoffs and so does the NBA. So in the end its C.R.E.A.M.

FWIW, Tim Donaghy said messages didn't come from the league office saying we want the Lakers to win this series. But it was more like a bunch of points of emphasis would come down before a series, saying watch for this or that. And Donaghy said refs just knew what the league wanted, who they wanted to win.

There is so much money involved in TV rights, and ratings, that it doesn't defy belief to think the games are influenced if not rigged. In general bigger cities mean higher ratings means more money. I think the Raptors are the lowest priority of all, the least desired winner, because TV ratings in Canada do nothing for ESPN's or TNT's ratings. We're not a big market, or a small market, we're a non-market, a zero market.

So here's an interesting topic/conspiracy discussion. The year we won the championship were we Part of the leagues agenda or did we beat the odds?

Tha Cynic wrote:

kalel123 wrote:

TheGameWinner wrote:
lol fans who make comments like this are insufferable. He is a ROOKIE. He is playing as our lead guard with FVV out. This fan base became so entitled.

So he shouldn't play better in clutch time? Is it wrong to point out areas of improvement on a player especially someone who has most room to grow? What? Rookies can't improve in the same season? I thought Barnes was already doing that? And I've been pretty consistent with my support of Barnes plays and development throughout this season.

Dude, you are trying too hard and barking up the wrong tree. It is obnoxious snobs like yourself who can't take a constructive criticism of a player for what it is that are insufferable.

Missed two free throws but he was missing all his regular shots today, so I don't think it has to do with the clutch. Stats show that he hits over 80% on free throws in the clutch. His shooting percentage is also over 50%.

I'm not sure about mistakes piling up. Not sure if you're talking about the Westbrook steal last game, but if you watch the video carefully, that was just a great play by Westbrook and you can't blame him. He never actually had control of the ball fully.

I don't think Barnes has any issues with clutch. He has actually played surprisingly well for a rookie in those situations. Today was just a bad game.

For example you mentioned Siakam showing him how to hit those in the clutch but Siakam is only shooting them at 60% in the clutch. He also threw the ball away on a fastbreak heave down the court. Players are just playing hard and they're not perfect every game.

Boogie! wrote:

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:

TheGameWinner wrote:
lol fans who make comments like this are insufferable. He is a ROOKIE. He is playing as our lead guard with FVV out. This fan base became so entitled.

why is it 'insufferable' to have higher standards for our supposed future all-star. This is a back to back bad performance in the crunch. Of course hes a rookie and of course he'll learn but nothing wrong with accountability.

There’s a difference… when a rookie has had a fantastic year but has a few bad games it’s acceptable to attribute it to growing pains. If he’s still this shaky and inconsistent in 3 years when he’s the defacto star then we can talk about accountability. Right now he’s still learning and is way ahead of schedule.

WaltFrazier wrote:

Mikistan wrote:

Boogie! wrote:
You’re right. Not in public but do you think they have discussions with the league at all? Like after tonight’s game if I was the organization I would compile a set of clips of embiid fouls vs siakam fouls and send it to the league office and ask why is it that one side is a foul and the other is not, that sort of thing. And point o it the similarities in contact. Is this something they do? The reason I think they don’t even make an effort is because siakam continues to get shafted. The guys primary slurce if ooints is attacking the rim and he averages 5 a game. Meanwhile we have embiid, harden, 8-10… on less of similar contact.

Oh ya for sure, it makes it excruciating as a fan of this team. What is even the point of sports when its not an even playing field

I kept thinking during the Kawhi season that if he really wanted to worry about health, I wouldn't blame Kawhi for leaving because he wouldn't take as many hits with no foul calls per night in another jersey!

Phil Handy said it all in 2019, on the Danny Green podcast. Paraphrasing, he was stunned at the lack of calls we get, and if he was head coach he'd get fined every game, etc.

Potential wrote:My favourite player Armoni Brooks is the closest player I've ever seen to Kobe. I hope Masai sees this and keeps him forever

Boogie! wrote:

WaltFrazier wrote:

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:I don't think its centrally coordinated. But its the culture that permeates thru the referee ranks. Like unspoken rules. Refs know that ultimately fans want to see superstars/all-stars advance deeper into the playoffs and so does the NBA. So in the end its C.R.E.A.M.

FWIW, Tim Donaghy said messages didn't come from the league office saying we want the Lakers to win this series. But it was more like a bunch of points of emphasis would come down before a series, saying watch for this or that. And Donaghy said refs just knew what the league wanted, who they wanted to win.

There is so much money involved in TV rights, and ratings, that it doesn't defy belief to think the games are influenced if not rigged. In general bigger cities mean higher ratings means more money. I think the Raptors are the lowest priority of all, the least desired winner, because TV ratings in Canada do nothing for ESPN's or TNT's ratings. We're not a big market, or a small market, we're a non-market, a zero market.

So here's an interesting topic/conspiracy discussion. The year we won the championship were we Part of the leagues agenda or did we beat the odds?

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Boogie! wrote:

WaltFrazier wrote:

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:I don't think its centrally coordinated. But its the culture that permeates thru the referee ranks. Like unspoken rules. Refs know that ultimately fans want to see superstars/all-stars advance deeper into the playoffs and so does the NBA. So in the end its C.R.E.A.M.

FWIW, Tim Donaghy said messages didn't come from the league office saying we want the Lakers to win this series. But it was more like a bunch of points of emphasis would come down before a series, saying watch for this or that. And Donaghy said refs just knew what the league wanted, who they wanted to win.

There is so much money involved in TV rights, and ratings, that it doesn't defy belief to think the games are influenced if not rigged. In general bigger cities mean higher ratings means more money. I think the Raptors are the lowest priority of all, the least desired winner, because TV ratings in Canada do nothing for ESPN's or TNT's ratings. We're not a big market, or a small market, we're a non-market, a zero market.

So here's an interesting topic/conspiracy discussion. The year we won the championship were we Part of the leagues agenda or did we beat the odds?

RapsFanInOhio wrote:.. I think we won the Lowry trade.

positivetension wrote:

Lateral Quicks wrote:How many top tier teams do the Raps have to beat before people realize this is a good team?

They're young and inconsistent, but the foundation is building for great things ahead.

One of their problems is they play down to their opponents but for the most part, they show up against good teams. If they won the games they were supposed to, they'd have homecourt in the first round.

Raptors_128 wrote:Wtf happened to Precious after the all-star break? He didn’t look like anything special to me before the break. Something definitely clicked for him.

SFour wrote:Siakam's 26-10-5 is just a regular game for him now....barely gets any praise since people just expect that from him.

KO7 wrote:

Boogie! wrote:

WaltFrazier wrote:
FWIW, Tim Donaghy said messages didn't come from the league office saying we want the Lakers to win this series. But it was more like a bunch of points of emphasis would come down before a series, saying watch for this or that. And Donaghy said refs just knew what the league wanted, who they wanted to win.

There is so much money involved in TV rights, and ratings, that it doesn't defy belief to think the games are influenced if not rigged. In general bigger cities mean higher ratings means more money. I think the Raptors are the lowest priority of all, the least desired winner, because TV ratings in Canada do nothing for ESPN's or TNT's ratings. We're not a big market, or a small market, we're a non-market, a zero market.

So here's an interesting topic/conspiracy discussion. The year we won the championship were we Part of the leagues agenda or did we beat the odds?

We had the talent and coaching to overcome the “Raptors’ Whistle” that season/post-season. I remember there were a ton of infuriating calls and non-calls against us in 2019, as usual.