Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8

[Dark Faze]

I'd say if I'm Rui's agent, the Clarke payout is probably the floor I'd accept. Clarke is a better player, but he's also not a starter, which he'd be ideally (if playing well).

KPJ contract wasn't helpful. His agent will likely point to that as a better comparison.

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Clarke is better than Rui. Rui should not be commanding more unless he has some insane season.

Unless Rui makes a huge jump this year -- & I do mean HUGE -- why would you extend him at all?

How about we compare him to Eric Paschall, who was taken #41 in the same draft that Rui went #9? You can compare their per 36 minute numbers for yourself:

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=pascher01&player_id1=hachiru01&sum=0&request=1

To me, those numbers say that overall, through their first 3 NBA seasons, #9 pick Rui was a bit better than #41 pick Eric Paschall. Not a huge amount better, but a little bit better all the same.

Thing is... Paschall's performance has cost him his job. He's not on any NBA team's regular roster. Instead, Paschall is on a 2-way contract with Minny.

As I say, Rui has been just a little bit better than Paschall overall. But, not enough better so far -- not nearly enough better! -- that he should get a guaranteed 4-year contract for any $$ at all. He hasn't been close to replacement level. Why would you extend Rui Hachimura at all?

Everyone knows the answer, right? Because he brings a market w/ him. That's a perfectly sound reason too! Business is business. Only thing is... it'll hurt this team's chances of being any good at all. Ever.

But, basketball is an entertainment business, so you can count on Rui getting a significant extension no matter how he plays this season.

So, yeah, let's hope that he makes that huge jump!

[nate33]

Clarke is better than Rui. Rui should not be commanding more unless he has some insane season.

Unless Rui makes a huge jump this year -- & I do mean HUGE -- why would you extend him at all?

How about we compare him to Eric Paschall, who was taken #41 in the same draft that Rui went #9? You can compare their per 36 minute numbers for yourself:

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=pascher01&player_id1=hachiru01&sum=0&request=1

To me, those numbers say that overall, through their first 3 NBA seasons, #9 pick Rui was a bit better than #41 pick Eric Paschall. Not a huge amount better, but a little bit better all the same.

Thing is... Paschall's performance has cost him his job. He's not on any NBA team's regular roster. Instead, Paschall is on a 2-way contract with Minny.

As I say, Rui has been just a little bit better than Paschall overall. But, not enough better so far -- not nearly enough better! -- that he should get a guaranteed 4-year contract for any $$ at all. He hasn't been close to replacement level. Why would you extend Rui Hachimura at all?

Everyone knows the answer, right? Because he brings a market w/ him. That's a perfectly sound reason too! Business is business. Only thing is... it'll hurt this team's chances of being any good at all. Ever.

But, basketball is an entertainment business, so you can count on Rui getting a significant extension no matter how he plays this season.

So, yeah, let's hope that he makes that huge jump!

At this point, if I was Ted, I'd be looking solely at the business side of things and not at all at the winning side of things, because winning with this core is impossible.

Which pretty much means Rui is a sure bet to be resigned.

[Dark Faze]

At this point, if I was Ted, I'd be looking solely at the business side of things and not at all at the winning side of things, because winning with this core is impossible.

Which pretty much means Rui is a sure bet to be resigned.

Counterpoint: If you're Ted you're really tired of being told you don't know what you're doing particularly after the Beal extension and you want to find a way to prove people wrong and win with him.

*shrugs*

Maybe?

[doclinkin]

At this point, if I was Ted, I'd be looking solely at the business side of things and not at all at the winning side of things, because winning with this core is impossible.

Which pretty much means Rui is a sure bet to be resigned.

Counterpoint: If you're Ted you're really tired of being told you don't know what you're doing particularly after the Beal extension and you want to find a way to prove people wrong and win with him.

*shrugs*

Maybe?

Countercounterpoint. The field of smugness around Ted renders him immune to feeling any effect from other people's criticism. Also, he has invented the "double bottom line" which means even if you lose you win, if you are a good guy, which you know you are because everyone around you tells you you are, even the people that you don't pay a quarter billion dollars.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If I’m Ted all of you aren’t.

My team.

My way.

You drive highway…

He is oblivious and blissful.

[AFM]

You're all morons. I've been living a triple bottom line life from the getgo. Catch up pendejos

[keynote]

You're all morons. I've been living a triple bottom line life from the getgo. Catch up pendejos

Chasing a third bottom line is like adding a fifth blade to a razor. Ted is the best a man can get

[gambitx777]

Brandon Clark has barley played 60 games ever his minutes were cut last season and he's prone to just kind of dissapearing. I like Clarke enough and I'm not saying Rui is better but I wouldn't be shocked if Clarke wasn't long for the league.

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[FAH1223]

DeAndre Hunter getting $95M is insane.

[pancakes3]

any chance we can sign Kemba?

[montestewart]

any chance we can sign Kemba?

Don’t we go into luxury tax with the next signing?

[AFM]

Do you want that 8th seed or not? Time to pay up

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Brandon Clark has barley played 60 games ever his minutes were cut last season and he's prone to just kind of dissapearing. I like Clarke enough and I'm not saying Rui is better but I wouldn't be shocked if Clarke wasn't long for the league.

LOL... you're quite wrong, but you're not correctable, so I won't bother.

Still... you do understand that these guys have played virtually the same number of minutes in their 3 years, right?

& you do understand that Clarke has outscored Rui per 40 minutes every year of their careers, right?

Oh, & at a *much* higher efficiency -- right? Even last year, when Rui improved his TS% quite a lot, it was still 57.9% to Clarke's 66%.

Plus, you're aware that Clarke outrebounds Rui by... let's just say a whole lot?

That he blocks 3 times as many shots as Ru?. Wait... make that 5 times as many.

Turns the ball over less than Rui?

Gets more assists than Rui?

Gets more steals than Rui?

Minute for minute, Brandon Clarke is already one of the top 10-15% of players in the league -- no surprise to anyone who saw what he did in college.

The year that ended a few weeks before the draft in which they got Clarke 12 spots below where we picked Rui, Memphis won exactly 1 game more than the Wizards did.

Last year, they won 56 games -- the second most in the league.

Why? Because the Memphis FO is able to find guys like Clarke (& Tillman & Bane & Jones & Melton) & acquire them for less than they're worth, & pay them at relatively bargain rates (& they just did the same thing in this year's draft!).

Ja was important too. But if you think he was the big reason for their improvement, you might look at their record in the 25 games he missed this year.

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At this point, if I was Ted, I'd be looking solely at the business side of things and not at all at the winning side of things, because winning with this core is impossible.

Which pretty much means Rui is a sure bet to be resigned.

Yes, that is exactly correct. It'll be an enormous shock if it doesn't happen.

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DeAndre Hunter getting $95M is insane.

I'll say! Incomprehensible.

I don't understand their FO one bit. The GM had a reputation a few years ago as one of the smartest young execs in the league, but he has made a ton of weird errors.

Starting w/ trading the #3 pick in 2018 to Dallas for the #5 pick in 2018 (i.e. Luka Doncic for Trae Young) plus (I think) a R1 pick in 2019....

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DeAndre Hunter was absolutely terrible as a rookie. A huge negative surprise.

Then he was much better his second year. In fact, he was pretty good! I figured his career was launched.

Then, this year he was even worse than he was as a rookie. Unless there's something more to the story (i.e. he was playing injured...?), I just don't understand.

I never thought he could be a star, but I had him as a lock to become a solid rotation player in the NBA. Maybe he still will be....?

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Walker Kessler -- 22d pick this year -- went to Utah in the Gobert trade. He's been an absolute revelation so far!

Kessler has played 41 total minutes in Utah's first 2 games. He has 15 boards, 3 assists, a steal -- & he's gone 7-8 from the floor!

On top of which, Utah played Minny & Gobert in their 2d game -- Kessler posterized Gobert!

If this kid could hit his free throws he might be the best-performing player in the league after 2 games. He's gotten to the line 9 times in his 41 minutes but only made 4 of his FTAs.

Whatever -- he's definitely got the early runaway lead for RoY!

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The Sixers waived Charles Bassey, a guy some of us liked as a R2 pick in 2021.

SA has signed him to a 2-way deal.

In turn, SA waived Joe Wieskamp, a guy some of us liked as a R2 pick in 2022.

Thought you'd like to know.

[closg00]

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