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Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve?

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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#341 » by JTG_92940618 » Wed Dec 7, 2022 6:01 am

clyde21 wrote:
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MagicManMike wrote:First of all Bol is guarding more on the perimeter and second of all look at his minutes. His rebounding is great based on those two facts. The issue is we need WCJ back to anchor the center position


I see what you are saying but I don't believe it is acceptable he is only grabbing 7 rebounds. When WCJ and Suggs come back I wouldn't be shocked if he heads back to the bench. He's not a starter.


he's averaging 10 rebs per 36, more than Embiid.


Honestly, it doesn't fit the eye test.

Check out NBA.com contested rebounding percentage for Orlando - https://www.nba.com/stats/players/rebounding?TeamID=1610612753&dir=D&sort=REB_CONTEST_PCT

Out of our bigs it goes
1. Bamba
2. Moritz
3. Wendell
4. Banchero
5. Bol
6. Schofield
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#342 » by basketballRob » Wed Dec 7, 2022 6:07 am

I'm willing to give him 1000 minutes played in the NBA before I write him off.

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Post#343 » by The-Stallion70 » Wed Dec 7, 2022 8:14 am

Bol is such an interesting player with a unique physical and athletic profile. I would love to see if a more creative coach could use him like at the top of a 3-2 zone defense where he can use his ridiculous range of space that his limbs cover to try to block every shot in sight.

If a player gets past him, then that's fine then he could still block their shot from behind. I would put him there and tell him to try to lead the league in blocks, steals and fast break points.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#344 » by MagicManMike » Wed Dec 7, 2022 1:07 pm

JTG_92940618 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
I see what you are saying but I don't believe it is acceptable he is only grabbing 7 rebounds. When WCJ and Suggs come back I wouldn't be shocked if he heads back to the bench. He's not a starter.


he's averaging 10 rebs per 36, more than Embiid.


Honestly, it doesn't fit the eye test.

Check out NBA.com contested rebounding percentage for Orlando - https://www.nba.com/stats/players/rebounding?TeamID=1610612753&dir=D&sort=REB_CONTEST_PCT

Out of our bigs it goes
1. Bamba
2. Moritz
3. Wendell
4. Banchero
5. Bol
6. Schofield


He is also not a big he is a small forward. Just like Schofield isn’t a big.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#345 » by JTG_92940618 » Wed Dec 7, 2022 9:07 pm

MagicManMike wrote:
JTG_92940618 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
he's averaging 10 rebs per 36, more than Embiid.


Honestly, it doesn't fit the eye test.

Check out NBA.com contested rebounding percentage for Orlando - https://www.nba.com/stats/players/rebounding?TeamID=1610612753&dir=D&sort=REB_CONTEST_PCT

Out of our bigs it goes
1. Bamba
2. Moritz
3. Wendell
4. Banchero
5. Bol
6. Schofield


He is also not a big he is a small forward. Just like Schofield isn’t a big.


I think Bols best position is SF but he's been thrown around a bit while we work him out. I was going to post this originally too but I classified players are bigs based on common sense (Bamba, Wendell etc) AND the average distance of their rebounds. Long rebounds = smalls, short rebounds = bigs.

Furthermore, basketball reference position estimates point to both Bol and Schofield being bigs - 100% and 60% at PF or C, respectively.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#346 » by The-Stallion70 » Thu Dec 8, 2022 6:32 pm

Bol is part of the core now imo. I consider him on par with Wendell in terms of aggregate value.

Assets ranked in terms of value imo:

1. Paolo
2. Franz
3a.Wendell
3b. Bol

Bol has been consistent all season long and has the ability to play multiple positions. His ability to dunk over nearly anyone in traffic and handle on the break is great to watch.
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This trade wasn't some conspiracy - it was just a GM wanting AD bad enough where in most people's eyes he overpaid by a long shot to get him.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#347 » by tooler » Thu Dec 8, 2022 11:36 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:Bol has been consistent all season long

I just came into the thread to ask if we know why his scoring has been so inconsistent lately. His points the last few games: 9, 18, 6, 24, 6, 3, 18, 2, 20.

Is there something different with the way he plays, or the way other teams play him? Figuring out how to mesh with Paolo now that he's back?
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#348 » by wojoaderge » Fri Dec 9, 2022 12:28 am

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The-Stallion70 wrote:Bol has been consistent all season long

I just came into the thread to ask if we know why his scoring has been so inconsistent lately. His points the last few games: 9, 18, 6, 24, 6, 3, 18, 2, 20.

Is there something different with the way he plays, or the way other teams play him? Figuring out how to mesh with Paolo now that he's back?

He is not a main component of their basic halfcourt sets. He normally stands at the three-point line, usually in the corner, to create space. There are many halfcourt possessions where he never touches the ball.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#349 » by AaronB » Fri Dec 9, 2022 12:35 am

wojoaderge wrote:
tooler wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:Bol has been consistent all season long

I just came into the thread to ask if we know why his scoring has been so inconsistent lately. His points the last few games: 9, 18, 6, 24, 6, 3, 18, 2, 20.

Is there something different with the way he plays, or the way other teams play him? Figuring out how to mesh with Paolo now that he's back?

He is not a main component of their basic halfcourt sets. He normally stands at the three-point line, usually in the corner, to create space. There are many halfcourt possessions where he never touches the ball.


Agreed, but some of it is that the league took notice and started adjusting to what he does really well.

Then he made some adjustments and it is now a game of cat and mouse as to how much more either can adjust.

For example, he had a coast to coast the last game that 2 weeks ago gets blocked. The defender took a huge foul risk to stop the dunk. This was done to send a message that he was not going to get easy buckets. Bol made the adjustment and dunked it easy anyway.

If Bol keeps making those kinds of adjustments (and stays healthy), he can be an elite scorer in the NBA. Still a long way to go, but I am positive the people who get paid to know this stuff are taking notice and keeping really good notes.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#350 » by JBSouthpaw » Fri Dec 9, 2022 12:49 am

tooler wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:Bol has been consistent all season long

I just came into the thread to ask if we know why his scoring has been so inconsistent lately. His points the last few games: 9, 18, 6, 24, 6, 3, 18, 2, 20.

Is there something different with the way he plays, or the way other teams play him? Figuring out how to mesh with Paolo now that he's back?

They don’t really run plays for Bol, so most of his points come via hustle/fast break opportunities
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#351 » by SOUL » Fri Dec 9, 2022 1:04 am

wojoaderge wrote:He is not a main component of their basic halfcourt sets. He normally stands at the three-point line, usually in the corner, to create space. There are many halfcourt possessions where he never touches the ball.


For good reason. He is very turnover prone and he has a long windup for his shot. Maybe running some curls for him so he can take some mid-range shots a-la Durant, but it's not the most efficient shot.

He will need to tone down the turnovers while creating as well as getting too tunnel visioned on fast breaks. He's still very young, so he's scoring on a lot more plays that are broken or transition, etc, which he seems the best at currently.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#352 » by fendilim » Fri Dec 9, 2022 11:15 am

tooler wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:Bol has been consistent all season long

I just came into the thread to ask if we know why his scoring has been so inconsistent lately. His points the last few games: 9, 18, 6, 24, 6, 3, 18, 2, 20.

Is there something different with the way he plays, or the way other teams play him? Figuring out how to mesh with Paolo now that he's back?

Less usage and starting to get figured out
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#353 » by The-Stallion70 » Fri Dec 9, 2022 2:16 pm

tooler wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:Bol has been consistent all season long

I just came into the thread to ask if we know why his scoring has been so inconsistent lately. His points the last few games: 9, 18, 6, 24, 6, 3, 18, 2, 20.

Is there something different with the way he plays, or the way other teams play him? Figuring out how to mesh with Paolo now that he's back?


He does not create alot in the halfcourt, he scores mainly off attacking closeouts and in transition. So far he hasn't looked like a guy who can do alot 1 on 1 or attacking a set defense like Paulo can but that's fine.
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Post#354 » by MagicManMike » Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:08 pm

Starter obviously
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Post#355 » by Skybox » Thu Dec 15, 2022 12:37 pm

Very different looking Human Torch off the bench.
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Post#356 » by basketballRob » Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:20 pm

The Bol extension after this season will be interesting. I think Bol absolutely takes less to secure wealth for the rest of his life. No way do I think he goes into next year with only $2M in contracts.

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Post#357 » by MagicManMike » Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:54 pm

I think why so many freaked out about Bol not being a starter is his unorthodox style of play for a big man reminds people of JaVale McGee out there without the Shaqtin a Fool moments. Bol is damn skilled with unbelievable touch around the rim, his jumper and from 3. He can obviously handle the ball better than any big man when he is dribbling it. A true joy to watch and appreciate.

Just imagine we get Wemby too! That would be must see basketball for a long long time.
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Post#358 » by thelead » Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:13 pm

I cannot look past his crazy efficiency. He is shooting the ball like the SG that we hope to draft... 60/43/79 is no joke nearly 30 games into the season.
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#359 » by Skybox » Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:15 pm

Skybox wrote:Very different looking Human Torch off the bench.


The “Human Candle”?
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Re: Bol Bol Discussion Thread: Long-Term Starter or Reserve? 

Post#360 » by JBSouthpaw » Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:49 pm

Skybox wrote:
Skybox wrote:Very different looking Human Torch off the bench.


The “Human Candle”?


how about the "LiteSaber"

Convince me this isn't Bol:

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