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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#341 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Feb 13, 2025 7:34 pm

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KasJak turns the ball over too much too and should be just considered as a regular sized, below the rim SG. I would say that he would be like a Jakobe Walter with worse POA defense. DND for me.

Thinking about players like players. Is Braden Smith like Reed Sheppard? Really shoot the 3. Reed was sophomore aged last season.



Really, he looks like Chris Paul that needed 1 more year of college. Got out of Edey's shadow and showing that he can carry the team.


he has a lot of the same tendencies that chris paul has stylistically/mentally. physically he has held up again and again vs much larger and longer players. my only concern with braden is just how deep the range is on his 3pt shot. i'm not concerned about his height.

but i love everything about him. he clears jamal shead as a prospect.


How about legendary Malachi Flynn?


lol malachi was much more of a scorer, i think ultimately he could be more like tyus jones who is a t10 player from his class.

what needs to be understood with smith is that he's doing what he's doing against the 2nd toughest schedule in college ball two years in a row. there is a strong correlation with production against top competition and ability to translate to the nba.

most importantly smith is still improving - his ast% is up and tov% down. his rim finishing is way up, his steal percentage is way up, his advanced defensive metrics are up.

and all of this without zach edey this year. it's beyond impressive. also he is a basketball junkie and likely has +5 WS.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#342 » by grant101 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 7:49 pm

Son Goku 25 wrote:
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KasJak turns the ball over too much too and should be just considered as a regular sized, below the rim SG. I would say that he would be like a Jakobe Walter with worse POA defense. DND for me.

Thinking about players like players. Is Braden Smith like Reed Sheppard? Really shoot the 3. Reed was sophomore aged last season.



Really, he looks like Chris Paul that needed 1 more year of college. Got out of Edey's shadow and showing that he can carry the team.


he has a lot of the same tendencies that chris paul has stylistically/mentally. physically he has held up again and again vs much larger and longer players. my only concern with braden is just how deep the range is on his 3pt shot. i'm not concerned about his height.

but i love everything about him. he clears jamal shead as a prospect.


How about legendary Malachi Flynn?


I like Smith's toughness, passing and strength more, so I think he has a better chance of making it. That said, I'm super wary of small guards with sub-par athleticism. My track record for picking which ones makes it is very bad (I was super high on Jared Butler, liked Flynn, less high on Pritchard, thought Colin Gillespie had a shot, etc. etc.), so I avoid them altogether. For every exception there are sooooooo many star college guards that don't pan out. It's a crapshoot. I think Braden gets drafted (or is at worst among the first to get offered a SL invite), but I'm not at all confident he can hang athletically. The bar for small guards in the NBA is very high.
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Post#343 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:12 pm

Updated Mock:

1. Flagg
2. Bailey
3. Harper
4. Edgecombe
5. Maluach
6. Jakucionis
7. Traore
8. Johnson
9. Knueppel
10. Newell


I'll only really be happy with the top 8 guys.

Everyone after that is.. meh
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#344 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:17 pm

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he has a lot of the same tendencies that chris paul has stylistically/mentally. physically he has held up again and again vs much larger and longer players. my only concern with braden is just how deep the range is on his 3pt shot. i'm not concerned about his height.

but i love everything about him. he clears jamal shead as a prospect.


How about legendary Malachi Flynn?


lol malachi was much more of a scorer, i think ultimately he could be more like tyus jones who is a t10 player from his class.

what needs to be understood with smith is that he's doing what he's doing against the 2nd toughest schedule in college ball two years in a row. there is a strong correlation with production against top competition and ability to translate to the nba.

most importantly smith is still improving - his ast% is up and tov% down. his rim finishing is way up, his steal percentage is way up, his advanced defensive metrics are up.

and all of this without zach edey this year. it's beyond impressive. also he is a basketball junkie and likely has +5 WS.


Yeah Braden Smith is one of my sleeper picks for the second rounder. He looks like he could be a quality rotation player at the next level.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#345 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:31 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:Updated Mock:

1. Flagg
2. Bailey
3. Harper
4. Edgecombe
5. Maluach
6. Jakucionis
7. Traore
8. Johnson
9. Knueppel
10. Newell


I'll only really be happy with the top 8 guys.

Everyone after that is.. meh


Interesting take. I have em like this:

1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Edgecombe
4. Bailey
5. Jakucionis
6. Johnson
7. Maluach
8. Traore
9. Queen
10. Knueppel/Newell

Needless to say, I think Queen is going to continue to climb the board. I have Edgecombe ahead of Bailey...dude reminds be of Wade/Oladipo and if his shot is for real, I think he could easily be the at least the third best player out of this draft. Just super fluid, a great defender, great athlete and an improving shooter. Bailey has interested me more as of late as he's picked up his FG% and BPM. He's super young and can still develop but I get Rudy Gay vibes from him, tough Ace is a better shooter.

Really, really hoping for a Top 4 pick as I'd be okay with any one of them but I really don't want to fall lower than about 6. After that, we're firmly in project player territory IMO.
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Post#346 » by GoRapstheoriginal » Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:33 pm

Some of the top draft picks/prospects will not be in March Madness?

Think someone mentioned it last night on the broadcast Leo maybe?
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Post#347 » by Raptorfan2012 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:39 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:Updated Mock:

1. Flagg
2. Bailey
3. Harper
4. Edgecombe
5. Maluach
6. Jakucionis
7. Traore
8. Johnson
9. Knueppel
10. Newell


I'll only really be happy with the top 8 guys.

Everyone after that is.. meh


Interesting take. I have em like this:

1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Edgecombe
4. Bailey
5. Jakucionis
6. Johnson
7. Maluach
8. Traore
9. Queen
10. Knueppel/Newell

Needless to say, I think Queen is going to continue to climb the board. I have Edgecombe ahead of Bailey...dude reminds be of Wade/Oladipo and if his shot is for real, I think he could easily be the at least the third best player out of this draft. Just super fluid, a great defender, great athlete and an improving shooter. Bailey has interested me more as of late as he's picked up his FG% and BPM. He's super young and can still develop but I get Rudy Gay vibes from him, tough Ace is a better shooter.

Really, really hoping for a Top 4 pick as I'd be okay with any one of them but I really don't want to fall lower than about 6. After that, we're firmly in project player territory IMO.


I personally like Sorber more than Queen. Sorber is younger and plays better defense and can pretty much do anything Queen can do on offense.
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Post#348 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:43 pm

Raptorfan2012 wrote:
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LoveMyRaps wrote:Updated Mock:

1. Flagg
2. Bailey
3. Harper
4. Edgecombe
5. Maluach
6. Jakucionis
7. Traore
8. Johnson
9. Knueppel
10. Newell


I'll only really be happy with the top 8 guys.

Everyone after that is.. meh


Interesting take. I have em like this:

1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Edgecombe
4. Bailey
5. Jakucionis
6. Johnson
7. Maluach
8. Traore
9. Queen
10. Knueppel/Newell

Needless to say, I think Queen is going to continue to climb the board. I have Edgecombe ahead of Bailey...dude reminds be of Wade/Oladipo and if his shot is for real, I think he could easily be the at least the third best player out of this draft. Just super fluid, a great defender, great athlete and an improving shooter. Bailey has interested me more as of late as he's picked up his FG% and BPM. He's super young and can still develop but I get Rudy Gay vibes from him, tough Ace is a better shooter.

Really, really hoping for a Top 4 pick as I'd be okay with any one of them but I really don't want to fall lower than about 6. After that, we're firmly in project player territory IMO.


I personally like Sorber more than Queen. Sorber is younger and plays better defense and can pretty much do anything Queen can do on offense.


I'm going to look more into Sorber. Tbh I've been a little more top heavy in the scouting this year since our pick is up there and we don't have a later first round pick.
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Post#350 » by Dexjackson » Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:56 pm

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I know it's probably already been said, but I really think if we don't land a top 5 pick, we're going for Maluach.


Maluach scares me the most out of these prospects. I feel like there's so much talent in this top 10 to draft a guy with such high bust potential. I very well could be wrong. I just don't see special when I watch him. He's huge but he doesn't seem like has much offensive ability. Wondering what people see in him? What is the vision? I hope I don't come off as a ****, I'm asking out of genuine curiosity. Maybe I'm wrong on him.


I think you said it. The guy is HUGE! He's also very mobile, does a good job finishing around the basket, hits his FTs and will probably shoot it one day (though I think you're disappointed if you expect him to be a stretch big right away). There just arent that many coordinated, mobile 7+ footers out there.

You're also buying into the fact that he's only 18 and looks to be a hard worker/quick learner. It's definitely a potential play, but his baseline of skills gives him a fairly high floor IMO (Alex Len was a far inferior prospect and is still in the league!). Just look at how he played for South Sudan, or how much better he looked than Chomche while at NBA Africa.


The hard working/quick learning will definitely be a difference maker in terms of him reaching his potential. That must be hard to evaluate for GM's. I wonder how often a coach will tell teams that their start player is not a hard worker. You kind of have to take their word for it. If we end up drafting it, I will definitely be pulling for this kid. Any idea how long he's been playing? Is he newer to the sport? Him being 18 definitely changes my view on him.
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Post#351 » by grant101 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:18 pm

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Maluach scares me the most out of these prospects. I feel like there's so much talent in this top 10 to draft a guy with such high bust potential. I very well could be wrong. I just don't see special when I watch him. He's huge but he doesn't seem like has much offensive ability. Wondering what people see in him? What is the vision? I hope I don't come off as a ****, I'm asking out of genuine curiosity. Maybe I'm wrong on him.


I think you said it. The guy is HUGE! He's also very mobile, does a good job finishing around the basket, hits his FTs and will probably shoot it one day (though I think you're disappointed if you expect him to be a stretch big right away). There just arent that many coordinated, mobile 7+ footers out there.

You're also buying into the fact that he's only 18 and looks to be a hard worker/quick learner. It's definitely a potential play, but his baseline of skills gives him a fairly high floor IMO (Alex Len was a far inferior prospect and is still in the league!). Just look at how he played for South Sudan, or how much better he looked than Chomche while at NBA Africa.


The hard working/quick learning will definitely be a difference maker in terms of him reaching his potential. That must be hard to evaluate for GM's. I wonder how often a coach will tell teams that their start player is not a hard worker. You kind of have to take their word for it. If we end up drafting it, I will definitely be pulling for this kid. Any idea how long he's been playing? Is he newer to the sport? Him being 18 definitely changes my view on him.


Absolutely - the character stuff might be the most important determinant of success, and one that we have the least access to. The Raps generally do a good job with this, and seem to have a particularly good feel, or at least confidence in their scout for players coming out of Africa. Google tells me that he started playing at 13, and given his presence at NBA Africa and BAL, I'm guessing Masai and Bobby are very familiar with his game/growth. They also have the benefit of being able to ask Chomche who played with him at the Acadamy. In any case, like you, I'm cheering for the kid. He's got an incredible story
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Post#352 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:38 pm

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he has a lot of the same tendencies that chris paul has stylistically/mentally. physically he has held up again and again vs much larger and longer players. my only concern with braden is just how deep the range is on his 3pt shot. i'm not concerned about his height.

but i love everything about him. he clears jamal shead as a prospect.


How about legendary Malachi Flynn?


I like Smith's toughness, passing and strength more, so I think he has a better chance of making it. That said, I'm super wary of small guards with sub-par athleticism. My track record for picking which ones makes it is very bad (I was super high on Jared Butler, liked Flynn, less high on Pritchard, thought Colin Gillespie had a shot, etc. etc.), so I avoid them altogether. For every exception there are sooooooo many star college guards that don't pan out. It's a crapshoot. I think Braden gets drafted (or is at worst among the first to get offered a SL invite), but I'm not at all confident he can hang athletically. The bar for small guards in the NBA is very high.


smith's wingspan as measured by purdue clears all of those guys

it's not entirely correct to classify him as a small guard if his ht/ws ratio and hand size comes back as v good

which is why combine measurements will be quite important for him
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Post#353 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:59 pm

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Post#354 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:04 pm

Giving up on a rookie half way between their rookie season is beyond ignorant, especially when that rookie is on a team that doesn’t value winning in any way. If he’s bad in year 3-4 and beyond then we can start having a conversation about him.
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Post#355 » by grant101 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:05 pm

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How about legendary Malachi Flynn?


I like Smith's toughness, passing and strength more, so I think he has a better chance of making it. That said, I'm super wary of small guards with sub-par athleticism. My track record for picking which ones makes it is very bad (I was super high on Jared Butler, liked Flynn, less high on Pritchard, thought Colin Gillespie had a shot, etc. etc.), so I avoid them altogether. For every exception there are sooooooo many star college guards that don't pan out. It's a crapshoot. I think Braden gets drafted (or is at worst among the first to get offered a SL invite), but I'm not at all confident he can hang athletically. The bar for small guards in the NBA is very high.


smith's wingspan as measured by purdue clears all of those guys

it's not entirely correct to classify him as a small guard if his ht/ws ratio and hand size comes back as v good

which is why combine measurements will be quite important for him


Could be, but his wingspan is at most +5, which would make is 6'5. Good, not great - especially for someone with his level of athleticism. I think that if he makes it, it's cause of his poise, BBIQ and ability to run an offence, with enough scrappiness to hold-up defensively. Kinda like Tyus Jones.
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Post#356 » by Jstock12 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:31 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:Giving up on a rookie half way between their rookie season is beyond ignorant, especially when that rookie is on a team that doesn’t value winning in any way. If he’s bad in year 3-4 and beyond then we can start having a conversation about him.

This.

Giving up on a top10 pick midway through their rookie year is just such a casual fan thing to do :lol: Would definitely take everything someone like that says with a grain of salt going forward.
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Post#357 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:31 pm

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I like Smith's toughness, passing and strength more, so I think he has a better chance of making it. That said, I'm super wary of small guards with sub-par athleticism. My track record for picking which ones makes it is very bad (I was super high on Jared Butler, liked Flynn, less high on Pritchard, thought Colin Gillespie had a shot, etc. etc.), so I avoid them altogether. For every exception there are sooooooo many star college guards that don't pan out. It's a crapshoot. I think Braden gets drafted (or is at worst among the first to get offered a SL invite), but I'm not at all confident he can hang athletically. The bar for small guards in the NBA is very high.


smith's wingspan as measured by purdue clears all of those guys

it's not entirely correct to classify him as a small guard if his ht/ws ratio and hand size comes back as v good

which is why combine measurements will be quite important for him


Could be, but his wingspan is at most +5, which would make is 6'5. Good, not great - especially for someone with his level of athleticism. I think that if he makes it, it's cause of his poise, BBIQ and ability to run an offence, with enough scrappiness to hold-up defensively. Kinda like Tyus Jones.


very rare to find a +5 among small guards, i don't think he's a horrible athlete either. in fact the term i used with my friend to describe smith's movement is that he "glides" on the court. decent blend of agility and playing under control. against all odds he has found a way to perform against guys who are bigger and stronger. i can't take that away from him just because of his dimensions on paper, production speaks for itself. with guys like reed there actually was and still is the concern that he doesn't have good enough functional strength or ability to generate P+A volume against bigger players.

even though small guards need to find more ways to compensate to stick you also have teams overdrafting long players with low levels of hooperism based almost exclusively off of obsession with dimensions. i completely omitted risacher, williams, salaun and others from my t20 for a reason. at the end of the day the goal is to identify which players are legit regardless of their stature.

the most obvious studs are the ones who blend athleticism with efficiency and athletic production markers but once those guys are off the board you just have to accept lots of flaws here or there and try to find the guys who can overcome them. in a year like this one sifting through the garbage i think smith could be at least a very good backup pg and increases in his ability to generate 3PT volume over time could make him more.

production/profile wise he is not far off from wichita FVV but the big difference really is just in body-type. fred was and is a thick boy with very good functional strength. how smith's physical profile impacts his ability to translate is up in the air for me because he's slightly unique given how he produces, but at the very least i think there's no issue becoming stud backup PG and maybe more.

i would have liked smith's FTr to be higher but his .442 ftr over 1061 mins as a freshman, rebounding totals and career dbpm give me a ton of hope for him. and it's not a propped up dbpm like jamal shead's was in kelvin sampson's system. smith is legitimately a good defender. well jamal is too but every houston player's metrics get boosted - look at LJ Cryer from baylor to now.
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Post#358 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:38 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:Giving up on a rookie half way between their rookie season is beyond ignorant, especially when that rookie is on a team that doesn’t value winning in any way. If he’s bad in year 3-4 and beyond then we can start having a conversation about him.


wait who believed in him in the first place?
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Post#359 » by Jstock12 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:39 pm

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I like Smith's toughness, passing and strength more, so I think he has a better chance of making it. That said, I'm super wary of small guards with sub-par athleticism. My track record for picking which ones makes it is very bad (I was super high on Jared Butler, liked Flynn, less high on Pritchard, thought Colin Gillespie had a shot, etc. etc.), so I avoid them altogether. For every exception there are sooooooo many star college guards that don't pan out. It's a crapshoot. I think Braden gets drafted (or is at worst among the first to get offered a SL invite), but I'm not at all confident he can hang athletically. The bar for small guards in the NBA is very high.


smith's wingspan as measured by purdue clears all of those guys

it's not entirely correct to classify him as a small guard if his ht/ws ratio and hand size comes back as v good

which is why combine measurements will be quite important for him


Could be, but his wingspan is at most +5, which would make is 6'5. Good, not great - especially for someone with his level of athleticism. I think that if he makes it, it's cause of his poise, BBIQ and ability to run an offence, with enough scrappiness to hold-up defensively. Kinda like Tyus Jones.

I don't need to wait for official combine measurements to tell you definitively that Smith doesn't have anything close to a +5 wingspan. His arms aren't long at all for his height. Heck, I'll be quite surprised if it's +3.
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Post#360 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:44 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:Giving up on a rookie half way between their rookie season is beyond ignorant, especially when that rookie is on a team that doesn’t value winning in any way. If he’s bad in year 3-4 and beyond then we can start having a conversation about him.


wait who believed in him in the first place?

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