2013-2014 College Basketball / '14 NBA Draft Thread

LongLiveHinkie · Post #3421 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:22 pm

Anyone else starting to think the talk about the Sixers wanting to draft a PG is smokescreen stuff? Being that a team that could really use one is sitting right behind them in Orlando at 4.

ZarcMumoff · Post #3422 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:24 pm

Westbrook36 wrote:Anyone else starting to think the talk about the Sixers wanting to draft a PG is smokescreen stuff? Being that a team that could really use one is sitting right behind them in Orlando at 4.

Everything is a smokescreen. The draft itself is a smokescreen. I'm convinced nothing is real.

SJSF · Post #3423 » by **SJSF** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:38 pm

Ugh I am watching Amy Fadool. Clueless. CSN has no insight to Basketball since Phil Jasner passed away.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #3424 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 9:43 pm

Rumors circulating that the Jazz are trying to move up to #1 for Wiggins, not Parker.

Sounds to me like the Cavs are trying to tell a certain GM *cough* Hinkie *cough* that "You better move up with us, bro, because if we trade this pick, Wiggins still won't get past this spot."

BNelley24 · Post #3425 » by **BNelley24** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:00 pm

SJSF wrote:Ugh I am watching Amy Fadool. Clueless. CSN has no insight to Basketball since Phil Jasner passed away.

Dei Lynam is actually pretty informative.

Kobblehead · Post #3426 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:00 pm

SJSF wrote:Ugh I am watching Amy Fadool. Clueless. CSN has no insight to Basketball since Phil Jasner passed away.

John Gonzalaz can be an excitable f***boi at times, but he's pretty solid most of the time.

snoopdogg88 · Post #3427 » by **snoopdogg88** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:38 pm

listened to an hour long "podcast" with Bodner, Gonzalez and Keith Pompay

Pompay is literally embarrassing as a Sixers beat writer. His "insight" is so basic and uninformative it makes me uncomfortable to listen to. The posters in this forum could offer more than him.

Kobblehead · Post #3428 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:28 pm

Can you post a link?

snoopdogg88 · Post #3429 » by **snoopdogg88** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:36 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Can you post a link?

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sixersbeat ... ft-preview

Cokeleaf · Post #3430 » by **Cokeleaf** » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:45 pm

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nik-Stauskas-7103/

Really hope we can get Stauskas

Sixersftw · Post #3431 » by **Sixersftw** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:00 am

Kobblehead wrote:David Griffin is an excellent basketball mind. I think him and Hinkie are very much equal.

Didn't he trade for Spence? I just can't respect a man after that.

SJSF · Post #3432 » by **SJSF** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:29 am

Kobblehead wrote:
SJSF wrote:Ugh I am watching Amy Fadool. Clueless. CSN has no insight to Basketball since Phil Jasner passed away.

John Gonzalaz can be an excitable f***boi at times, but he's pretty solid most of the time.

I still see Gonzo the muppet when he is on. But yes too excitable. I miss Phil Jasner. I would email him and he was so insightful.

Arsenal · Post #3433 » by **Arsenal** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:03 am

Fearless prediction:

Sixers take Marcus Smart #3 overall after Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker go #1 and #2.

Smart just seems like a Hinkie analytics pick. The guy looks like a star if he can just improve his shot selection. He's got that alpha dog leader mentality also. And he can impact the game on both offense and defense.

I also think he'd fit just fine with MCW who is more of a pure PG and they can cross match defensively if needed.

Someone please convince me why Dante Exum is a better prospect than Marcus Smart.

Mik317 · Post #3434 » by **Mik317** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:06 am

LONG OVERANALYIZING POST AHEAD BEWAAARRRREEE

So as of right now I have talked myself into about 20 different scenarios, only some of which I am "ok" with.

Here they go.

Staying Put

1. Stay at 3 and 10, take Exum at 3 and either one of Randle/Gordon if left or a "surprise" like Saric/Nurkic or McBuckets (who is basically the only SF being mocked in this position it seems).

Not my favorite but, it is the safest option that also has some big time potential. I really would love it to be Exum/Randle (or Gordon) as the picks. As that collection of guys still have a lot of potential and if they pan out both can be allstars. Exum can potentially be a star if his jumper becomes even average (sounds familiar tho).

2. Stay put and take Smart at 3 and McBuckets at 10 (The Randle/Gordon/Saric/Nurkic options are also a go..but I think Smart would require more spacing).

Partly out of pure desperation, I have warmed up to Smart at 3. I could be a collasal reach if he can't translate to the 2 guard spot but he brings defense and we need that too. Also brings toughness and although I hate the **** out of this phrase he is "philly tough". Again since this doens't involve Jetisonning MCW we will need Shooting out the yingyang and Stauskas can't play the 3 IMO so McBuckets is the best option...not the biggest fan but he seemingly hasn't been bombing workouts as he has remained around the 9-14 range in most mocks (lol). Not my dream to field the greatest college team but it is what it is...safe and fills needs.

3. Vonleh at 3 and a wing (Stauskas, Lavine, McBuckets, Harris) at 10.

My least favorite as I honestly don't see the shine of Vonleh past his measurements and he just seems to be a non **** version of Moultrie and Spieghts...which isn't bad since both guys are victims of being stupid but at 3? ehhhhh. I really really like Stauskas. Lavine would be a way to still reach for potential but he is a pretty bad basketball player right now. Don't like this but can be talked into it.

4. Embiid at 3, Wing at 10

Feast or Famine. This would basically be Hinkie going all in and if it backfires? welp trust that we will be back on the treadmill and Hinkie will be looking for a job. I really like Embiid's potential but his injuries scare the **** out of me. I doubt he makes it to 10 as someone will trade up with the Lakers or Sactown before that ever happens. The 10th pick is also more important in this scenario.

5 DREAMLAND scenario: Wiggins (or Parker) falls to 3 thanks to the Bucks being great people and taking Exum, and a big (Randle or Gordon or Saric) at 10

I probably will need to find some human sacrifices to make this happen. but this is the idea outcome for me. If this happens, I don't know what I would do....probably start a church in John Hammond's name.

Trades

1. Exum at 3, MCW for 7 (Embiid, Randle,Gordon), wing at 10

If we come away with Exum, Embiid, and Stauskas , then I think we truly salvaged this draft. Exum/Randle(or Gordon/Stauskas ...less so but I am on board with that I guess. I'm not as against selling high on MCW as other because for now I'd take it as them saying that Exum is just that good or that MCW just isn't that good. but I do wonder what kind of message would that send to players? "no matter what you do...your ass is grass if we find a better option" yeah that is basically how it goes and should go but still can't be easy to work your ass off knowing that you have no job security...could potentially create a **** work enivroment.

2. Vonleh(or Embiid) at 3, MCW for 7 (Smart) at wing at 10.

This is kind of a latteral move at best, and I question if Smart is even a true PG. Could see it happening tho.

3. 3 and 10 for 1 (Wiggins or Parker), attempt to get mid rounder for remaining shooter wing type from that tier.

A Week ago, this was a hell no...now? Much less so. If Hinkie feels like Wiggins or Parker is just that good then sacrificing a Stauskas or Saric is worth it IMO. We need a guy to build around. If that's what it takes to do so then go for it dammit.

4. DREAMLAND 3 and Thad for 1 a.k.a Dan Gilbert goes nuts and takes that deal

I **** love Thad...but I'd drive his ass to Cleaveland myself if they'd be dumb enough to take this deal. Do it Griffin..do it now.

5. Psudeo Dreamland trade 3 and 10 for 1, MCW for 7 end up with a Wiggins(or Parker) and Smart (or on some serious dreamland **** Exum) combo

Very very very unlikely and would be kind of bittersweet but If we could make it happen, I'd think about it. It has a lot of moving parts (Lakers got to think MCW is better than Smart in this scenario and the Cavs got to take 10 instead of 7.....or this could easily be a Wiggins and Payton or Ennis combo..which is less awesome..Payton's hair is gdlk and with Noel we'd run the league tho)

The trade scenarios are difficult because it takes 2 to tango and if Embiid is on the board, I doubt the Lakers would trade him for MCW and if he is on the board then that means Danny Ainge passed on him which makes you question things as he takes chances. Smart could easily be off the board too. The most "likely" trade has us ending up with Exum, Randle, Stauskas which isn't a bad haul but there is a lot that can backfire hard.

Scenario's I am not okay with
1. Anything involving a trade back from 3 - Never was a fan of trading back...just take your guy and keep it moving.
2. Randle at 3: Vonleh at least has this "potential" stuff going for him.....
3. Gordon at 3 :I'd off myself.
4. Trading up for Exum: wat
5. Passing on Jabari at 3: I'd probably off Hinkie.

But even those I could justify (well not Gordon at 3 or anyone Not names Wiggins over Jabari at 3...I'd also be a bit miffed if Jabari somehow was available and we traded him to Utah for Smart and Favors or something.)

I just want it to get here already so I can find out who I will be overrating already.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #3435 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:29 am

I tend to be an absolute prick when I don't get what I want on draft day, so if the Sixers do something I don't like I will probably call for Hinkie to be fired at some point. Then when I calm down, I'll probably take it back, but I'm not gonna be happy.

I tend to be patient with my teams to a degree, but I have very little patience on draft day. There are guys I fall in love with, want badly, and if my teams don't get them I am a miserable vindictive ass.

So should the Sixers go Vonleh, Gordon, or Exum at 3, I am not going to be in a pleasant mood.

Been in drafts before where I get pissed and people go "You are just pissing and moaning because they didn't do what you wanted" and I go "You are absolutely right, that's how I am on draft day, I can't help it."

Hardcore6erFan · Post #3436 » by **Hardcore6erFan** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:32 am

Draft is so close yet so far away. Driving myself crazy thinking of scenarios. Infinite possibilities.

Mik317 · Post #3437 » by **Mik317** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:36 am

Westbrook36 wrote:I tend to be an absolute prick when I don't get what I want on draft day, so if the Sixers do something I don't like I will probably call for Hinkie to be fired at some point. Then when I calm down, I'll probably take it back, but I'm not gonna be happy.

I tend to be patient with my teams to a degree, but I have very little patience on draft day. There are guys I fall in love with, want badly, and if my teams don't get them I am a miserable vindictive ass.

So should the Sixers go Vonleh, Gordon, or Exum at 3, I am not going to be in a pleasant mood.

Been in drafts before where I get pissed and people go "You are just pissing and moaning because they didn't do what you wanted" and I go "You are absolutely right, that's how I am on draft day, I can't help it."

I will be the same except I will almost immediately talk myself off the ledge and justify it as a good thing..because I can't quit this franchise no matter what.

JayMKE · Post #3438 » by **JayMKE** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:39 am

FWIW Sixer fans, the insider on the Bucks board who has never given us false info said that the debate is over internally and that we'll take which ever of Parker or Wiggins is there and is "supremely confident" that we won't trade down. We are are also interested in acquiring another top 10 pick. I very much doubt we'd pick Exum, at the very least we'd take Wiggins and try to leverage assets out of you guys I'd imagine. I would guess the MCW trade rumors are your way of trying to mitigate that leverage.

Good luck on draft day fellas, the east needs to hit on some picks this year.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #3439 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:42 am

If Hinkie wants Wiggins as badly as is being reported, I don't think he would allow him to fall to 2 anyway. He'd try to secure him at 1.

agiaco · Post #3440 » by **agiaco** » Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:43 am

Just an idea here....

Hinkie trades MCW and a couple seconds to LAL for #7

With the third pick we select Dante Exum. Then Julius Randle at 7 and Doug McDermott at 10. Second round we get Jordan Adams. What do you guys think of that lineup?

Exum
Adams
McDermott
Randle
Noel

Another idea I like is moving up to draft Smart. He could play SG alongside MCW if we manage to land Wiggins or Parker.